1ofWaterNFire
April 7th 2004, 06:16 AM
I have a few questions for the Old Earth Creationists. I had to edit this to make sure it was directed at OECs and not Theistic Evolutionists (thanks to jason for the heads up). I think all the questions are now appropriate, but if there are some that are not... please skip it or point it out. =)
1. This one is for OECs who believe (at least I think there are some) when God said "Let there be light", the Big Bang occurred. God doesn't make the sun, moon, and stars until the fourth day (Genesis 1:14-19). The earth is clearly existant before anything else is made, even before light itself is created(Genesis 1:2,3). Not only that, but vegetation is also created before the stars as well (Genesis 1:11-13). So, given these three facts, how does an OEC maintain that God caused the Big Bang and used it to create the earth?
2. This one is for the OECs who happens to not believe in the Big Bang. If you do not believe in gradual formation of earth through such a process, then how do you think the earth itself (with water) was formed? Do you think the process was gradual or spontaneous?
3. How do OECs says life forms came about? Was every kind created spontaneously or did different kinds come about progressively through a process not unlike evolution?
4. Plants were made on the third day and the sun, moon, and stars on the fourth. If, indeed, each day was a long period of time, how were the plants able to live without receiving any sunlight for thousands or millions of years?
6. What exactly is a "day"? I'm not asking for any specific length of time, but why there is a distinction of "days" in the Bible in the account of creation. Does each distinction mark the process of creating and finishing one type of thing? If not, then what is a "day"? What would be the purpose?
7. All OECs seem to reject that Noah's Flood was global. If there are those that do not, please proceed to the next question. However, if you believe Noah's Flood was only local, feel free to respond to an old thread I made a while back (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8008). For some strange reason, the OEC community was quiet in answering my questions, but perhaps I can receive some interesting responses this time. :teeth:
8. If, for some reason (though I find it very unlikely), you believe that Noah's Flood was global, then you understand the process that brought about the flood. Bible says, "...all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened." (Genesis 7:11) This is a pretty violent picture. The Flood would've been something that would've radically changed the the face of the earth, as well as much that is below the surface. It is extremely unlikely that the "springs of the great deep" would have not disturbed the fossil record, and also not cause a lot of activity under the water and perhaps even create new fossils. Taking all these to mind, how can you be sure that the fossil record that evolutionists seem to rely on is at all reliable? The Flood is a likely guarantee that a lot of the fossil record up to its time would have been rendered useless in allowing us to determine any history. Thus, if you believe that the Flood was global, why would you believe in evolution? Or the whole OEC position, for that matter?
If there's any [more] errors on my part, please point it out. These are questions of my own and in no way am I any representation of all YECs as a whole, just in case anyone wants to commit the fallacy of converse accident. :teeth: I'm sure at least some of these questions are common, and some are not. And I know these cover quite a wide range of things, so feel free to respond in a new thread if you choose. =)
1. This one is for OECs who believe (at least I think there are some) when God said "Let there be light", the Big Bang occurred. God doesn't make the sun, moon, and stars until the fourth day (Genesis 1:14-19). The earth is clearly existant before anything else is made, even before light itself is created(Genesis 1:2,3). Not only that, but vegetation is also created before the stars as well (Genesis 1:11-13). So, given these three facts, how does an OEC maintain that God caused the Big Bang and used it to create the earth?
2. This one is for the OECs who happens to not believe in the Big Bang. If you do not believe in gradual formation of earth through such a process, then how do you think the earth itself (with water) was formed? Do you think the process was gradual or spontaneous?
3. How do OECs says life forms came about? Was every kind created spontaneously or did different kinds come about progressively through a process not unlike evolution?
4. Plants were made on the third day and the sun, moon, and stars on the fourth. If, indeed, each day was a long period of time, how were the plants able to live without receiving any sunlight for thousands or millions of years?
6. What exactly is a "day"? I'm not asking for any specific length of time, but why there is a distinction of "days" in the Bible in the account of creation. Does each distinction mark the process of creating and finishing one type of thing? If not, then what is a "day"? What would be the purpose?
7. All OECs seem to reject that Noah's Flood was global. If there are those that do not, please proceed to the next question. However, if you believe Noah's Flood was only local, feel free to respond to an old thread I made a while back (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8008). For some strange reason, the OEC community was quiet in answering my questions, but perhaps I can receive some interesting responses this time. :teeth:
8. If, for some reason (though I find it very unlikely), you believe that Noah's Flood was global, then you understand the process that brought about the flood. Bible says, "...all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened." (Genesis 7:11) This is a pretty violent picture. The Flood would've been something that would've radically changed the the face of the earth, as well as much that is below the surface. It is extremely unlikely that the "springs of the great deep" would have not disturbed the fossil record, and also not cause a lot of activity under the water and perhaps even create new fossils. Taking all these to mind, how can you be sure that the fossil record that evolutionists seem to rely on is at all reliable? The Flood is a likely guarantee that a lot of the fossil record up to its time would have been rendered useless in allowing us to determine any history. Thus, if you believe that the Flood was global, why would you believe in evolution? Or the whole OEC position, for that matter?
If there's any [more] errors on my part, please point it out. These are questions of my own and in no way am I any representation of all YECs as a whole, just in case anyone wants to commit the fallacy of converse accident. :teeth: I'm sure at least some of these questions are common, and some are not. And I know these cover quite a wide range of things, so feel free to respond in a new thread if you choose. =)