Fear of going to hell

[Ghettochild]

DDW wouldnt let us talk...

[Ken]

??? not following you...?

[Ghettochild]

http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24363


BTW you are following me!:noid:

[Xavier]

Ghetto... You ARE a Non-Theist, Correct?

[Ghettochild]

The federale's have found me!

[Ken]

http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24363


BTW you are following me!:noid:
true dat.... :) providentially, just as I logged on I saw your 2 threads... and since no one had yet responded, I gave it a whirl.... hope you do not mind.....

blessings

[Ghettochild]

no, its cool

[Xavier]

The federale's have found me!
YOU can discuss the issue in Naturalism... Just the Theists needed to leave there... :smile:

[Ghettochild]

ya but the conversation was really one sided

hint* there is something in the computer section

[kofh2u]

Ghetto... You ARE a Non-Theist, Correct?


1) Ghetto will deny her God is Eros, but her behavior exposes the worship of this entity.

2) Althoigh I realize the Tweb must excluded bashers from destroying the benefits of thisvwonderful site for us Christians those who claim a theist persausion, these so called Athrist are misnomered. They worship the dame foreign Gods that the gentile neighbors to Irael worshipped.
All that has changes is that the only name in the subject of Heaven, theology, is now Yahweh/Son/Spirit.

3) This trinity of language is one of the seven ways thr concept of Trinity applies import to the doctrines of Christianity. The
only name in heaven" is rither one of these three designation.

4) When a person claims to be atheist, ignoring or ignorant of the bottom line belief in their own thinking, their own god, they really mean they are anti-christ, anti-christian morality... de facto... the is no other God concept in our Western Culture today that they vould be talking about. A-theist = A-Christ.... the only name referred to as God. True?

4) The Pope said in 2001 that Hell is not a physical place. It is a condition of the mind (soul).

[EvoUK]

:ahem:

Which absurd point do you want me to address first?

[Ghettochild]

hehe, calm down kofh2u... who is she?

oh, btw i am completely antichrist (sarcasm):lol:

[kofh2u]

hehe, calm down kofh2u... who is she?

oh, btw i am completely antichrist (sarcasm):lol:


Just teasing the truth out of you.

Women are so sensitive about the once acceptable us of the masculine ponoun when unsure of the gender that I just went the other way.
I mean, when someone uses a make up name and says they are homo sexual, who knows what gender pronoun they expect, and/or what gender one is even addressing. But, I was kidding of course... in fun.

Also, the point about believing in some God... the meaning of that word, God, hot changed during the 1000 years of Dark Age reign of only one God. So, people do not remember, now that there has been a renaissance of paganism, that we used to know by a persons disposition just what expect and consequently, where they "were coming from" mentally.

Like in Daniel, Nebo, Babylonian God of knowledge and wisdom explains the behavior of Nebocuddezar... in thst he choose Daniel and other wise captive Jews to send to the College of the Chaldeans... to learn their tongue... (Astrology).

[Ghettochild]

as long as you get that i am a guy...

[Rubia Warren]

But do you resemble a little pill like the dude in your avatar? Now THAT"S what inquiring minds wanna know! :hehe:

[Ghettochild]

can't you tell? he is a happy little antidepressant pill, dancing and frolicking about.

[guacamole]

can't you tell? he is a happy little antidepressant pill, dancing and frolicking about.

I dunno...he looks more like an angry little lozenge trying to pick a fight with the rest of the medicine cabinet.

[Virginia_Man]

People do love their "Jesus" conditionally. They do only love their "Jesus" because of the things that he can give them, the things that he can do for them. Or maybe its because of their belief that he's is white, or black, or Jewish, or Christian, or that he's actually a she.

Or maybe they love him out of fear. They love their "Jesus" because they feel that if they don't that they will go to hell.

If alot of these white people thought for one second that Jesus was black, they probably won't be Christian today. Or if alot of men found out that Jesus was a woman, they won't be Christian and etc. Which makes me ask the question "Do these type of people still make it to heaven"

Thats why I laugh at most Christian that criticizes athetist or anybody else's religion, because you only love Jesus because of what you believe that he can do for you, what he can give to you, or even worse, out of fear. Yall are prostitutes. And yall pay yall pimp by tithing.

Yall remind me of a gold-digging ho that gets herself in a bad relationship, but is so afraid leaving her love one because of fear. Fear that she can't make it on her own, fear that the gifts would go away, or fear that the love one will phyiscal harm them or kill them. </B>

[mickiel]

People do love their "Jesus" conditionally. They do only love their "Jesus" because of the things that he can give them, the things that he can do for them. Or maybe its because of their belief that he's is white, or black, or Jewish, or Christian, or that he's actually a she.

Or maybe they love him out of fear. They love their "Jesus" because they feel that if they don't that they will go to hell.

If alot of these white people thought for one second that Jesus was black, they probably won't be Christian today. Or if alot of men found out that Jesus was a woman, they won't be Christian and etc. Which makes me ask the question "Do these type of people still make it to heaven"

Thats why I laugh at most Christian that criticizes athetist or anybody else's religion, because you only love Jesus because of what you believe that he can do for you, what he can give to you, or even worse, out of fear. Yall are prostitutes. And yall pay yall pimp by tithing.

Yall remind me of a gold-digging ho that gets herself in a bad relationship, but is so afraid leaving her love one because of fear. Fear that she can't make it on her own, fear that the gifts would go away, or fear that the love one will phyiscal harm them or kill them. </B>





Very wise post indeed. Such wisdom is ignored by the world of religon today. Christianity is trying to stand on its name sake, because it seriously lacks the inner characther to fulfill it. I like the point of if whites thought Jesus was black, they would no doubt loose many who worship him. Why? Because prejudice is greater in the heart of man, than the real Christ. Christ was middle eastern, something whites cannot accept. The same reasonings go for any race who trys to type-cast Christ. The only true way to serve an unseen God , is to let self-- die. Then , in hopes, he ressurects a new creation within you. But many cannot leave father and mother, to serve God. Because father and mother, or our personal handicaps and prejudices, are the real great influences in our lives. Christianity itself is a "mother" of religons. As is any other religon. If any would search for a true religon, that search is in vain. No religon is required, one must leave them all, something many cannot do.

[Cowthulu]

People do love their "Jesus" conditionally. They do only love their "Jesus" because of the things that he can give them, the things that he can do for them. Or maybe its because of their belief that he's is white, or black, or Jewish, or Christian, or that he's actually a she.

Yes Jesus offers a conditional gift. One condition, love him as he loves you. He already loves us, how terrible of us to return the love offered.

The human form he took to do this deed is of no consequence. If Jesus had come to us as a black woman, her message and gift would have been no different.


Or maybe they love him out of fear. They love their "Jesus" because they feel that if they don't that they will go to hell.

I love him because he loved me first. I simply now return that love. Not out of fear, but out of joy for what he so easily gives. Hell is simply a separation from God. Since you did not wish the love in the first place, how can you be concerned about not having it? Atheists have nothing to worry about. When they die, they will only continue the separation from God that they chose in life.


If alot of these white people thought for one second that Jesus was black, they probably won't be Christian today. Or if alot of men found out that Jesus was a woman, they won't be Christian and etc. Which makes me ask the question "Do these type of people still make it to heaven"

Odd notion. The choice of God's human form is of no consequence to me and many other Christians I know. I am caucasion FYI. It is his message not his form that matters. As for if they go to heaven? I am not sure, that is between themselves and God. I would say yes if you want my opinion. God knows we are all imperfect. He accepts us as we are, and loves us all the same.


Thats why I laugh at most Christian that criticizes athetist or anybody else's religion, because you only love Jesus because of what you believe that he can do for you, what he can give to you, or even worse, out of fear. Yall are prostitutes. And yall pay yall pimp by tithing.

The gift is offered freely, God only desires that the love be returned. It is also a give and take relationship (as all are). He asks you to behave in certain ways. Tithing does not buy salvation btw. We are not saved by deeds or the law. We are saved by Grace. We are fallible. We cannot live up to all that is asked, yet salvation is there for us all the same.


Yall remind me of a gold-digging ho that gets herself in a bad relationship, but is so afraid leaving her love one because of fear. Fear that she can't make it on her own, fear that the gifts would go away, or fear that the love one will phyiscal harm them or kill them.

People in general stay in relationships because of the rewards of such actions. Does a husband stay with his wife because of some masochistic desire to please no one but her? They stay together because the relationship is mutually beneficial. God loves and us and loves to have that love returned. He invites us into a relationship that is mutually desirable on both parts. If you don't desire that relationship feel free to reject it. You will not be punished for it. You simply will not gain from that relationship as those who did not refuse do. It was offered to you as well.

[kofh2u]

Very wise post indeed. Such wisdom is ignored by the world of religon today. Christianity is trying to stand on its name sake, because it seriously lacks the inner characther to fulfill it.
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This remains to be seen.
Do not confuse Christianity, a term embracing 2 billion people, with Christians.
I mean, analogously, among 250, 000, 000 Americans we would be fortunate indeed to have 144,000 real, bonified patriots.
True?

Christians have an awakened Conscience.
They practice the dominant use of thise mentality.
They re-examine impulses from their Id, or urges eninating from their Liibido. They put Self second to the welfare of the "other guy." They see the logic in helping others help themselves before catastrophe strikes all. This is a way of looking at life and leading one's decision making process. It is a mental attitude, not a creed or a church attendance.

Conscience is a whole mind to do well by doing good.

[Ghettochild]

good point, i think a lot of people also confuse christians with republicans, or assume that all subs of catholicism point toward the vatican

[mickiel]

This remains to be seen.
Do not confuse Christianity, a term embracing 2 billion people, with Christians.
I mean, analogously, among 250, 000, 000 Americans we would be fortunate indeed to have 144,000 real, bonified patriots.
True?



I agree. That is my point exactly. Still, your attempt to seperate christians and christianity, is inncorrect. They are one in the same.







Christians have an awakened Conscience.
They practice the dominant use of thise mentality.
They re-examine impulses from their Id, or urges eninating from their Liibido. They put Self second to the welfare of the "other guy." They see the logic in helping others help themselves before catastrophe strikes all. This is a way of looking at life and leading one's decision making process. It is a mental attitude, not a creed or a church attendance.


You must live on fantasy island. Christians have done no such thing. Christians have seriously handicapped the conscious of mankind with their hell theology. Christians are not dominant, ask any chatholic. And anyone who thinks christianity puts self second is in a serious delousion. Read the book of revelation, concerning the seven churchs John saw in the future. That is the real state of spirituality in this age.





Conscience is a whole mind to do well by doing good.


Christians have no conscience, because they think they have Gods blessing.

[ajohnson]

Christians have no conscience, because they think they have Gods blessing.

What do you mean by this?

Regards,

Alan

[ajohnson]

People do love their "Jesus" conditionally. They do only love their "Jesus" because of the things that he can give them, the things that he can do for them. Or maybe its because of their belief that he's is white, or black, or Jewish, or Christian, or that he's actually a she.

Christianity has a particular meaning. If people love thier Jesus in this way - then they aren't Christians.


Or maybe they love him out of fear. They love their "Jesus" because they feel that if they don't that they will go to hell.

Their love of Him out of fear will not keep them out of hell.


James 2:19
You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

and

Matthew 7:21-23
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'


It's a willful submission to Him and His authority.



If alot of these white people thought for one second that Jesus was black, they probably won't be Christian today. Or if alot of men found out that Jesus was a woman, they won't be Christian and etc. Which makes me ask the question "Do these type of people still make it to heaven"
:lol:


Thats why I laugh at most Christian that criticizes athetist or anybody else's religion, because you only love Jesus because of what you believe that he can do for you, what he can give to you, or even worse, out of fear. Yall are prostitutes. And yall pay yall pimp by tithing.

You need to get out a meet some real Christians. It will change your world.


Yall remind me of a gold-digging ho that gets herself in a bad relationship, but is so afraid leaving her love one because of fear. Fear that she can't make it on her own, fear that the gifts would go away, or fear that the love one will phyiscal harm them or kill them. </B>

That is why so many of us have been (and continue to be) killed for their beliefs.

Here are a coule of links for your viewing pleasure.

places like http://www.persecution.org/

Here's one (http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~chuff/christian-torture/christian-torture.html) that makes fun of Christian Martyrs, but is historiclly accurate.

The point being, no one gets murdered in horrendous ways out fear. Even though the Bible says


Matthew 10:28
"Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


In context



Matthew 10:26-30
"Therefore do not fear them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. "What I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light; and what you hear whispered in your ear, proclaim upon the housetops. "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. "Are not two sparrows sold for a cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father. "But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.


It means God is in control and for those that love Him, we can be confident the God will handle justice properly.

regards,

Alan

[mickiel]

What do you mean by this?

Regards,

Alan


They have no hunger or thirst for God because they think they already have him. They do not think they are being held responsible for what they teach and believe, because they think they themselves are the explination of Gods truth. They lord it over the world of religons, thinking they are the annointed of God. From this arrogant stance, human nature looses all responsibility for others and what your own behavior is doing to them. The concious is seared, or closed off to the effects of your won behavior. What christianity has done to the bible, is simply pervert it with the traditional viewpoints of their fathers. False doctrine taught to children from their youth up, is a great influence. This has messed up the minds and belief system of many. And they are STILL doing it at this very moment.

Take the time one day to research all the different post here that christians post. They are a confused people, rasied to be that way. Taught to be merciless with sinners, going around teaching eternal hell fire torture. Only a person with no conciousness can pervert the gospel of truth.

[ajohnson]

They have no hunger or thirst for God because they think they already have him.

Every Christian I ever met had a hunger and thirst for the ways and knowledge of God our Savior.

Maybe you're hanging around the wrong 'Christians' and I need to get out more?


They do not think they are being held responsible for what they teach and believe, because they think they themselves are the explination of Gods truth. They lord it over the world of religons, thinking they are the annointed of God.

Teaching is taken very seriously by ALL Christians because teachers are held even more accoutable for what they teach


2 John 1:9-10
Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting;

and

Revelation 2:20
'But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray so that they commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.

and

2 Peter 2:1
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

and

1 Timothy 1:3
As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines,



Of course there are many men who will find teachers like this


2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,



From this arrogant stance, human nature looses all responsibility for others and what your own behavior is doing to them. The concious is seared, or closed off to the effects of your won behavior.

I'm not following you here.


What christianity has done to the bible, is simply pervert it with the traditional viewpoints of their fathers. False doctrine taught to children from their youth up, is a great influence. This has messed up the minds and belief system of many. And they are STILL doing it at this very moment.

Umm - How about some example? And are these teachings leading other to hell? Or are they going to hell on their own accord?


Take the time one day to research all the different post here that christians post. They are a confused people, rasied to be that way. Taught to be merciless with sinners, going around teaching eternal hell fire torture. Only a person with no conciousness can pervert the gospel of truth.

We are not a 'confused people'. Our Lord has given us freedom, freedom to do many things. But Christanity is united on the majors (AKA orthadoxy). If we aren't united on 4-6 majors, then we can question if they are or aren't really Christians. We differ on the minors.

Would you expect us all to look and dress and talk and act the same? Of course not, that would make us copies. And people would get the impression that all people must be squeezed into some weird mold. And then God would only be a God of a certain type of people.

But our God is a God for all peoples everywhere, in every place, for all time. He can be worshipped in many different ways. He cares about our attitude and true desires rather than anything external And He desires our outside to reflect our inside - so many of us have a long way to go and are continually in repair.

But that's a different thread.

:offtopic:

My father asked me one time "Why are you always bring up God and Jesus when we talk?"

I told him because I see a train heading towards him and he was ignoring the whistles. What kind of person would that make me if I didn't tell the people I loved a train was heading right for them and I didn't warn them?

This is what many Christians are doing, what we've been commanded to do - warn others of the impending accident about to happen.

regards,

Alan

[Cowthulu]

My father asked me one time "Why are you always bring up God and Jesus when we talk?"

I told him because I see a train heading towards him and he was ignoring the whistles. What kind of person would that make me if I didn't tell the people I loved a train was heading right for them and I didn't warn them?

This is what many Christians are doing, what we've been commanded to do - warn others of the impending accident about to happen.


I am not so sure this is off topic, it draws a good parallel to what being a Christian is to me.

I don't view it as he is about to get hit by the train. I view as he is going to miss the train that is leaving the station. He has to choose whether to get on or not, Christ is his ticket. Everyone gets one, you just have to get on the train and go where it takes you.

Today I view hell differently than many others. Hell is the status quo, not really punishment. Heaven is the real goal, it is positive reinforcement IMO at least.