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skepticbud
March 28th 2003, 06:36 AM
The Israelites are told by "god" to war against the Midianites in Numbers 31. Verse 16 gives the reason:

"And Moses said to them, "Have you spared all the women? Behold, these caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, so the plague was among the congregation of the LORD." (NASB)

But keep reading the passage and discover the great inconsistency:

"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves." (vs. 17-18, NASB)

Did you notice it? Moses acknowledges that "the women of Midian" had caused the sons of Israel to sin against god. This is his motivation for sending them out to kill the Midianites.

But then, when he discovers that his army only did a half-fast job, he says to kill off the rest of the people, sparing the little girls only.

Four questions:

1 - If the women are to be blamed, why were their husbands killed?

2 - If the women are to be blamed, why were their little boys killed? (2b: why kill the little boys, but not the little girls? What exact difference is there in worth or guilt between little boys and little girls?)

3 - If the women are to be blamed, why weren't they ALL killed?

4 - Moses blames Midianite women for the sons of Israel falling into sin, and uses this as justification to go kill them. Suppose I kill a prostitute, because I was lured to purchase her services while talking with her? Doesn't the example of Moses prove that it is justified to blame other people at least to some degree for our choice to follow them into sin? If you say it is wrong to blame other people for our choice to follow them into sins, how do you justify Moses, who blamed these women for luring male Israelites to sin against god, as if the male Israelites were total wimps, without any freewill, resolve or spine?

jpholding
March 28th 2003, 05:39 PM
Gee bud,

How about I just copy over Glenn Miller's entire article on this for you to play with?

:bonk:

As usual, you forget where you are. This is a forum frequented by intelligent Christians who have Heard It All Before.

skepticbud
March 29th 2003, 02:49 PM
Yesterday @ 09:39 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=47272#post47272)
jpholding:

Gee bud,

How about I just copy over Glenn Miller's entire article on this for you to play with?



Gee Holding, how easy is it to copy and paste other people's writings to "answer" an argument?

And would you accept as a "rebuttal from skepticbud", if I "answered" an article of yours by "copying over" an atheist or skeptical article that speaks on the same subject?


As usual, you forget where you are. This is a forum frequented by intelligent Christians who have Heard It All Before.

As usual, you forget where you are. This is a forum frequented by intelligent skeptics who have Heard It All Before.

Next time, please post something other than bucketfuls of mud that can be thrown right back at ya.

Here's mud in your eye...(*gulp*...starts yelling
"Jose Cuervo, you are a friend of mind.
I like to drink you with a little salt and lime."

Again, you do indeed think you are god, because obviously you think that your mere poo-pooing any article posted by a non-Christian is sufficient to get your sympathetic audience to clap loudly. If they clap, they approve of shallow debate tactics. If don't clap, doesn't look good.

But I gave a good argument, so I know that *I* have the clap.

There must be a god. I drank and yelled and flirted with many redneck's wives last night at this one Karaokee bar in Seattle, yet my voice is fine this morning and I have no hangover, and I didn't even take any aspirin.

jpholding
March 31st 2003, 04:11 PM
Gee Holding, how easy is it to copy and paste other people's writings to "answer" an argument?

Easy, especially when it does the job.

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/midian.html

And would you accept as a "rebuttal from skepticbud", if I "answered" an article of yours by "copying over" an atheist or skeptical article that speaks on the same subject?

Yep. Then I'd go and kick it's butt. :bonk: You lazy. Me not.

Next time, please post something other than bucketfuls of mud that can be thrown right back at ya.

Missed me. :tongue:

Again, you do indeed think you are god, because obviously you think that your mere poo-pooing any article posted by a non-Christian is sufficient to get your sympathetic audience to clap loudly.

It's sufficient to show you don't know what you are on about, which is all I care about.

There must be a god. I drank and yelled and flirted with many redneck's wives last night at this one Karaokee bar in Seattle

Oops. Are you actually Brooks Trubee, then?

yet my voice is fine this morning and I have no hangover, and I didn't even take any aspirin.

Maybe you're dead.