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Bill S
June 5th 2004, 12:25 PM
What does the board think about Tithing. Is it a law that must be obeyed by Chrisitans or are they under a curse if they do not tithe?

spl_cadet
June 5th 2004, 01:00 PM
I think that it is a good idea, but by no means mandatory.

Eanruig
December 11th 2004, 01:37 AM
The practice of the tithe was mandatory for Israel in the Old Testament. The Lord called for the tenth of all agricultural products and of livestock. That tenth was to be given to the Levites as their portion in return for their service in the tabernacle and in the temple. The Levites in their turn were obligated to set aside a tenth of what they received, and that was to be given to the priests. The priests also gave a tenth of what they received to the Lord.

There was another mandatory contribution which had no magnitude placed on it, and must have been a sore spot to the legalists in Israel. Every farmer in Israel had to leave the corners of his field unreaped, and allow the poor to gather the grain. Everyone who owned a vineyard was forbidden to go over the vines for a second picking to make sure nothing was missed - anything missed must be left for the poor. Now, how big are the corners of the field? Every farmer was left to his own judgement on that question.

Turn to the New Testament. Paul tells us exactly how much we should give in 1 Corinthians 16:2 - "in keeping with his income." (NIV) So each Christian is faced with the question, "How much is my income?" and must answer it before God, and give in proportion. Further, he tells us that God is not only interested in how much we give, but in how we give it. "Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly, or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." (2 Corinthians 9:7) (NIV) I think it is clear that in the present age, God's leaves the quantity to each believer's exercise before Him. We have the same problem as the farmer in Israel with the field of grain: how big should I make the corners? And perhaps one other verse should come in here - ask yourself the question "How much do [I] owe my Master?" (Luke 16:5)

I hope that these considerations will help guide our exercise before our God with reference to our giving.

Yours in His service,

Tertius
December 12th 2004, 01:11 AM
Here's a good study on tithing....


How Much Money Should You Give God?
By Pastor Richard Jordan


The issue of giving to the Lord is one that is greatly misunderstood and about which there is much false teaching today. For the most part, Christian teachers have taken two approaches to giving. Either they talk about it constantly and make it the only measure of faith and blessing or they completely ignore the issue because they don't want to be accused of being a "money hungry preacher". Neither approach is proper. What is needed is a careful study of what God has to say about giving.


The Root of All Evil

In the Apostle Paul's first letter to Timothy he speaks of the danger of money.

I Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Notice that the danger in money is not the money itself, but rather our attitude about it. If in our own conscience, material gain is more important than the truth of God's Word we are on the road to erring from the faith and rejecting God's truth for filthy lucre's sake. In the Old Testament we see the leadership of the nation Israel rejecting God's truth for the reward of material gain. They made judgments based, not on God's truth, but on who was the highest bidder.

Micah 3:9-11 Hear this, I pray you, ye heads of the house of Jacob, and princes of the house of Israel, that abhor judgment, and pervert all equity. They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity. The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say Is not the LORD among us? None evil can come upon us.

In Paul's day the propensity of man to sell out the truth is seen in men like Demetrius, who was more concerned about his craft of idol-making than about who was really the living and true God.

Acts 19:24-27 For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen; Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth.. Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands: So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth.

Rather than abandoning the truth for monetary gain, and making money our God, we should be using our money to promote the truth of God. Paul gives very specific instructions in his epistles about where our affections, and therefore our money, should be focused.

Colossians 3:1,2 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

1 Timothy 6:17,18 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy: That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;

As we begin to look at the details of how much money we should give God, it is important that we keep in mind the general attitude that is to be evident in our dealings with our material goods. We should view our goods as tools to be used to further God's truth. Where our affections are will determine where our money goes.


The Attitude of Grace Giving

Under the law and kingdom programs the motivation to give to the Lord was fear. As with all other areas of the law, Israel was motivated to service in giving by the promise of blessing and the fear of cursing. This principle as it applies to giving can be clearly seen in the message to Israel from the prophet Malachi.

Malachi 3:8-10 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

The fear factor can also be clearly seen in the kingdom program in the account of Ananias and Sapphira. After these people had lied about their commitment of giving, and been struck dead for their sin, we read the following sobering statement concerning the attitude of the kingdom church.

Acts 5:11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.

It is easy to see how this type of curse for disobedience could bring fear to those that were living under this system. If we faced the possibility of being struck dead for failing to give properly to the Lord, we would certainly be very careful to give properly and very fearful about the consequences if we give improperly.

In addition to motivating out of fear, the giving of the law made God a debtor to the giver. Notice that in the passage above from Malachi, God says to Israel, "prove me". Giving, and for that matter all obedience under the law, makes God a debtor to the person performing the obedience. When a person obeys God's commandment under the law God becomes obligated to give him the appropriate blessing.

Thus God tells Israel to "prove" him, to demonstrate his faithfulness in giving the blessing He had promised. Giving, like all obedience under grace is not motivated by fear but by love. The motivation to serve in the Age of Grace is clearly set forth by the Apostle Paul in his second letter to the church at Corinth.

II Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

Our motivation to serve under grace should never be out of fear of being cursed by God. Fear of a curse is not a valid reason to serve the Lord in this Age of Grace. In addition, since God has already given us all the blessings which he has for us in this life, there can be no promise of additional blessing for obedience.

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

As we can clearly see, we are not in a position of waiting for blessing in this Age of Grace, we have already been blessed in Christ. Because of this, our giving is no longer a way to prove God, it has now become a way to prove us. Notice carefully what Paul says to the church at Corinth as he writes to them about their giving toward a gift being taken for the poor saints at Jerusalem.

II Corinthians 8:8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.

Notice that giving in the Age of Grace is a means by which we are proved, not a means by which we prove God. Our attitude about giving in the Age of Grace is to be that we are giving out of a heart of love and gratitude for what God has already graciously done for us. Our giving must never be motivated by the fear of judgment or to try to gain additional blessing from God.


The Amount of Grace Giving

In time past, under the law and kingdom economies, the amount of giving was specified in great detail. In the book of Deuteronomy God gave Israel a specific percentage for their giving.

Deuteronomy 14:22,27,28 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. . . . And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. . . . At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year , and shalt lay it up within thy gates:

Time does not permit us to go into great detail on these issues, but as we study the passage above and others like it, it becomes evident that Israel was commanded to give 20% every year and 30% every third year. In addition, there were many other required givings under the law as well as the opportunity to give free will offerings.

As the kingdom is presented as being "at hand" in the earthly ministry of Christ and early Acts, the level of giving is increased dramatically.

Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Luke 12:32,33a Fear not, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Sell that ye have, and give alms:...

Acts 2:44,45 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

While the amount of giving in these two circumstances is different, it is clear that in each instance the specific amount was plainly spelled out. There could be no misunderstanding about the amount of giving God demanded under the law and kingdom programs. And, as we saw in the last section, those requirements were enforced with some very severe punishments if they were not met.

In this Age of Grace, we see no such commandments concerning the amount of our giving to the Lord. The Apostle Paul does, however, give us some principals which should guide us in determining the amount of our giving.

II Corinthians 9:6,7 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Notice that in the above passage, Paul tells us that we are to purpose in our hearts. That means that we should prayerfully consider how much we can give to the Lord's work, just as we would consider any other financial commitment that we would make.

Our giving should be with a plan and a purpose, not based on how much we happen to have in our wallet on Sunday morning. Notice also that our giving is to be cheerful. You should give God as much as you can give Him and still have a cheerful attitude about it. If you can give $100 cheerfully, but you begrudge the 101st dollar then you should stop at $100. It is far better to give $100 with the proper attitude than $1,000,000 with a grudging heart.

Finally, we must remember that we will reap in direct proportion to where we sow. If we "invest" in spiritual things we will reap eternal, spiritual reward.

If we spend our money on corruptible things they, like all the rest of the world, will one day melt with a fervent heat. The amount or our giving in the Age of Grace is not governed by a specific regulation, as it was under the law and kingdom economies. The amount of our giving today is based upon the principles of grace revealed to us in Paul's epistles.


The Answer to Grace Giving

There is perhaps no greater blasphemy being taught today, and no greater sham being perpetrated on an unsuspecting public than the teaching of many preachers that God will somehow reward you with financial gain if you give to the Lord.

As with so much other false teaching today, this teaching comes from trying to apply the principles of the law to the Age of Grace. If you reread the passage from Malachi quoted earlier you will see that God did clearly promise a physical blessing to Israel if they would give of their tithes.

Nowhere in scripture is the Church, the Body of Christ, promised material gain as a result of our giving. In fact, in the life of the Apostle Paul, quite the opposite is true. Paul gave more to the cause of Christ than perhaps any other man that has ever lived, and yet he suffered great depravation. Paul went from a wealthy Pharisee at the top of Jewish society to a poor apostle who often didn't know where his next meal was coming from.

Galatians 1:13,14a For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation. . . .

II Corinthians 11:27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.

Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,


What We Can Expect to Receive as a Result of Our Sacrificial Giving is Eternal Glory

II Corinthians 4:17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory:

Don't let anyone con you into giving them money for ministry with the false promise that God will return it "good measure, pressed down and shaken together, and running over".

As you give to the Lord, you should not be looking for material gain but rather eternal spiritual glory.

Giving in the Age of Grace is honored by God only if it is done in accord with the principles of grace and not in accord with the instructions for the law and the kingdom.

We must be sure that we are giving with the proper attitude, after carefully considering the amount, and that we are expecting the right answer from God in response to our giving.

Bill S
December 12th 2004, 10:00 AM
"TITHING" is NOT for Christians
-by Andrew Strom.

The word "tithe" literally means 'a tenth'. Today it is used
as a Law in many churches to force Christians to give
one tenth of their income to the church. Many are told
that they are "robbing God" if they do not give at least
this much to the institution they attend each Sunday.

How ironic that most preachers today preach almost
nothing but "grace, grace, grace" except when they
preach on Giving - when suddenly they feel free to load
people with condemnation and guilt. For some reason
this seems to be the one subject where they "lay down
the law". I wonder why? The fact is, in many places the
church machinery relies on this law to force people to
give and keep the whole 'machine' churning along.

But is Tithing a New Testament practice at all? Is it
really for Christians, or is it part of the Old Covenant?
Is there really a law in force stating that all Christians
must give ten percent? Or are we supposed to be
"cheerful givers" - simply giving whatever God has
placed on our hearts?

You may be surprised to learn how little the word 'Tithing'
is even mentioned in the New Testament. In fact, there is
no actual Scripture telling CHRISTIANS to tithe at all.
There is one NT Scripture telling PHARISEES to tithe.
But in all the letters of the apostles to the church, they
never say that this was for Christians. And in the entire
book of Acts (-a history of the first 30 years of the Early
Church) there is NOT EVEN ONE mention of tithing. There
are plenty of examples of people giving money "from the
heart", but NO MENTION of tithing. Isn't that interesting?

Yet people will often quote the words of Jesus to the
Pharisees as though this tells CHRISTIANS to keep
tithing. But it doesn't. Here is what Jesus said: "Woe to
you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!
You give a tenth of your spices - mint, dill and cummin.
But you have neglected the more important matters of
the law - justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should
have practiced the latter without neglecting the former."
(Matt 23:23, NIV).

Notice that Jesus refers to these things as "matters of
the law". That is what they are. They are matters of the
Old Testament Law - not part of the New Covenant for
Christians. Jesus Himself referred to them that way.
And notice who he was talking to in the above passage.
He was talking to LAW-KEEPING JEWS who were still
under the OLD COVENANT. (-The New Covenant would
not begin until Jesus died and rose again). So what Jesus
was saying was right - FOR THEM. But not for us - and
not for now.

Yet the Tithing proponents seize on the phrase: "You
should have practiced the latter without neglecting the
former." The reason they seize on this is because it
is the ONLY Scripture they have in the whole New
Testament that even vaguely pushes Tithing! And yet
it is talking to Pharisees!

Let me be clear here. This is their BEST New Testament
Scripture on the subject. They have almost nothing else.
And it is talking to PHARISEES. And it clearly states
that Tithing is a "matter of the law". How dare these
people apply this Scripture to today's Christians? We are
not under Law. The Bible tells us that. What a gall these
people have - making people feel guilty about an Old
Testament Law, just so they can get more money out of
us. How disgraceful.

"You are not under law, but under grace" (Rom 6:14).
"But if you are led by the Spirit you are not under law."
(Gal 5:18).

In fact, the only other passage that really focuses on
Tithing in the New Testament underlines this very point.
At the start of Hebrews 7 there is a passage referring to
tithing in the Old Testament. It clearly states that tithing
is part of the Old Law (v 5). And then it goes on to say:
"The former regulation is set aside because it is weak
and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a
better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to
God." (Heb 7:18-19).

The point that is being made here is that the Old
Covenant was a covenant of "regulations" (like HAVING
to give one tenth) but the New Covenant is a covenant
of the HEART. And we are to give out of a heart
overflowing with the love of God. -NOT because we are
"forced" to give one tenth! The Old Law is gone. We live
under a New Covenant today.

Now another major argument that the Tithing people use is
that "Tithing came before the Law". They use the example
of Abraham and Melchizedek (Gen 14:18-20). Therefore,
they say, it still applies to us today.

Well, I have one simple question for these people: Isn't
it true that CIRCUMCISION came before the Law also?
(See Gen 17). And everyone knows that Circumcision is
treated as part of the Old Law that has been done away
with. It is the same with Tithing. No difference at all.

As we have seen, in every New Testament Scripture
tithing is clearly spoken of as being part of the "OLD LAW".
It is not part of the New Covenant at all. How shameful
that it is being used today to manipulate Christians
into giving ten percent to church institutions. How sad
and totally unscriptural.

As former pastor Bruce Lengeman states in his article
'The Raping of the Tithe': "The title sounds harsh, but I
believe it is fairly accurate due to the damage done by the
erroneous teaching of the doctrine of tithing... Plain and
simple, the doctrine of tithing as it is commonly taught in
the contemporary evangelical, or Bible-believing church is
twisted exegesis!"

So How Then SHOULD WE GIVE?

Today when it comes to 'Giving' we are often preached-to
out of Malachi 3 in the Old Testament, which tells the
Jewish people to "bring the full tithes into the storehouse"
and says that they were "robbing God" and they were
"cursed" if they did not do so. (Mal 3:8-10).

Modern preachers love to equate the 'storehouse' with their
own church(!!), so that they can apply this Scripture to
themselves. But the reality is very different. As Bruce
Lengeman states: "The 'storehouse' of Malachi has no
likeness to the church structure of today. The storehouse
was neither a place of assembly, nor a place of worship. It
was merely a storehouse for tithed goods to be distributed
to Levites, who had no inheritance, and also to widows,
strangers, and orphans."

How very different to the guilt-trip that we are hearing today!

And when we get to the Book of Acts we find that indeed
MOST OF THE MONEY that came in actually went to
feed and clothe the poor and the widows. In fact, it was
a common practice for the Christians to sell any spare
possessions and lay the money at the apostles' feet, for
distribution to the poor. (See Acts 4:32-37). What love
these people demonstrated! And this was true giving
"from the HEART", not from some "LAW" that told them
how much to give.

There is also plenty of support in the New Testament for
giving to those who minister the gospel. (See 1 Cor 9:13-14,
1 Tim 5:17, etc.) But there is a far greater emphasis on
giving to the widows and orphans.

What I believe God would have us do today is be led by
the Holy Spirit in our giving. Find ways to give to the poor
and the widows in an effective way. (-For instance, some
Christian charities like 'Open Doors' support persecuted
Christian widows in Islamic countries, etc). Also find
effective Christian ministries to give to.

In many ways the 'local church storehouse' concept is a
deceptive fallacy. The fact is, there was no such thing
as "church buildings" in the New Testament anyway, so
how could that be the 'storehouse'? We need to give
where God leads us - with a truly cheerful heart.

As one of my readers wrote to me recently:
"You sent an email about 2 months ago that convicted me
that giving was to be based on the New Testament model -
giving cheerfully as we purpose - instead of being under the
law. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law. I have
found that since I give cheerfully whenever Father shows
me to give that I have had my socks blessed off. I was
always giving 10% to my local church and never seeing any
great results. I became convicted that my worship leader
needed the money so out of a strong conviction to give it to
him I did so. I found that suddenly at work my sales went
through the roof. Before I was doing so poorly I was close
to losing my job. I know the only difference is following the
Holy Spirit and doing what He tells me with my money
based on the New Testament example."

AMEN!!

If you want to reply to this article or join this discussion
then please send emails to- prophetic@revivalschool.com

May God bless you in your giving, my friends!

Kindest regards in Christ,

Andrew Strom.

Giver
September 19th 2005, 11:33 AM
Jesus has convicted me that Christians are to give everything, not just ten percent.

(Mark 12:42-44) The widow’s mite

(Matthew 6:19) “Do not store up treasures for yourselves on earth, where moths and woodworms destroy them and thieves can break in and steal.”


(Luke 14:33) “So in the same way, none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up all his possessions.”

Giver

Secretary of Education - Colin the Cat
September 19th 2005, 11:45 AM
Jesus has convicted me that Christians are to give everything, not just ten percent.

(Mark 12:42-44) The widow’s mite

(Matthew 6:19) “Do not store up treasures for yourselves on earth, where moths and woodworms destroy them and thieves can break in and steal.”


(Luke 14:33) “So in the same way, none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up all his possessions.”

Giver
My Pastor preached on this and used the verse:

2 Corinthians 9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.


If one man purposes in his heart to give 1/10, then let him do so. If one man purposes to give 1/20, then bless him for that too.

If 1/10 becomes a necessity, then it is not a gift, but a bill. Why miss the whole meaning of our Christian liberty. We do not HAVE to give, we GET to give.

Krusader
September 19th 2005, 11:57 AM
My Pastor preached on this and used the verse:

2 Corinthians 9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.


If one man purposes in his heart to give 1/10, then let him do so. If one man purposes to give 1/20, then bless him for that too.

If 1/10 becomes a necessity, then it is not a gift, but a bill. Why miss the whole meaning of our Christian liberty. We do not HAVE to give, we GET to give.

I'd agree with your pastor. The tithe is an Old Testament concept. We have to remember that, today, wage earners have about 20% of their wages taken by the government to administer programs which assist the poor. The Jewish tithe was their income tax. Christians give as God has blessed them. I am so tired of hearing that old lie that God will never bless you unless you pay a tithe. What kind of God is that?

Amazing Rando
September 19th 2005, 12:17 PM
My Pastor preached on this and used the verse:

2 Corinthians 9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.


If one man purposes in his heart to give 1/10, then let him do so. If one man purposes to give 1/20, then bless him for that too.

If 1/10 becomes a necessity, then it is not a gift, but a bill. Why miss the whole meaning of our Christian liberty. We do not HAVE to give, we GET to give.

Irenaeus in the 2nd century once famously proposed that Christians give two thirds of their income to helping others while living off the other third. :shocked:

Krusader
September 19th 2005, 12:36 PM
Irenaeus in the 2nd century once famously proposed that Christians give two thirds of their income to helping others while living off the other third. :shocked:

And, in Irenaeu's day, I'm sure the monies contributed to the church were used to help the poor and the widows, etc. Today, our contributions go mainly to paying the pastors and maintaining the building. Unfortunately, in our society, the church leaves it up to the government, in most cases, to support the poor through government benefit programs.

Amazing Rando
September 19th 2005, 12:37 PM
And, in Irenaeu's day, I'm sure the monies contributed to the church were used to help the poor and the widows, etc. Today, our contributions go mainly to paying the pastors and maintaining the building. Unfortunately, in our society, the church leaves it up to the government, in most cases, to support the poor through government benefit programs.

I don't know what church you go to, but it sounds like they've got some pretty misplaced priorities when it comes to giving.

Krusader
September 19th 2005, 12:48 PM
I don't know what church you go to, but it sounds like they've got some pretty misplaced priorities when it comes to giving.

Our Church is a mission, so actually we are supported by other, larger churches. Our pastor is also a missionary in Mexico. Frankly, our church does quite a lot for the poor in Mexico in terms of providing food and clothing. However, if you are bringing used clothing across the border, the Federales will either confiscate it or demand an import fee. So, as a result, it must be done gradually. As far as giving what little we have, I'd say we do a lot more than most churches I've attended in the past. Our own pastor is unpaid and has had to go on food stamps in the past - so, you can see we are very poor. I wasn't actually referring to my own congregation, but to other churches I've gone to.

Let me give you an example. In my line of work, I interview day after day the most needy people. I'd like to be able to send them to a local church for assistance. The only - I emphasize only - church here which gives any monetary assistance is the Roman Catholic church, and they will do it only once in a certain time frame. There are NO local food banks run by Christian Churches - people must go to a secular food bank for assistance. No churches, other than the Roman Catholic church provide monetary assistance. I'd say we have about twenty active Christian congregations in this town.

And as far as widows go - forget it - I know of no local ministry for them. Perhaps in larger towns you might find it, but not here. I'm very familiar with the assistance given by every agency in the area, as well as the local churches. The only assistance available to older widows with no children is food stamps, period. Unmarried mothers, however, are able to be supported by TANF and food stamps - not to mention Medicaid.

Now, I'm not in the Bible belt, but close to it. And if this is going on here, I wonder what is going on in other places?

Once I proposed a grant to the Episcopal Church for assisting migrant workers with food and clothing and other necessities. We were turned down because we were not politically correct (too fundamentalist, I guess). I wrote the bishop about it, and he agreed that we had a good program, but that we didn't fit in with the "goals" of the powers that be in ECUSA.

Kenite
September 19th 2005, 09:25 PM
What does the board think about Tithing. Is it a law that must be obeyed by Chrisitans or are they under a curse if they do not tithe?
Anyone who thinks that they must give only a tenth of his/her wealth to God is in for a shock. Christians are bought with a price, and all their possessions are for God's use.