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Captain Ochre
April 5th 2003, 05:04 PM
We've got a thread for the lack of smoking guns. Doesn't seem as though it would ever be necessary to update it--just close it when and if it becomes obsolete. Here's the thread for (potential or actual smoking gun news from Iraq.

Coalition forces digging under new concrete slab in schoolyard. Locals claim that new slab was laid on three succesive nights just before UN weapons inspectors came through. Locals helped prompt investigation by grabbing troops' gas masks and pointing to the slab.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L05110185.htm

White powder discovered in earlier reports is apparently an explosive:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apmideast_story.asp?category=1107&slug=War%20Chemical%20Finds

The above link also chronicles the discovery of an apparent center for training personnel in chemical warfare.

Rubia Warren
April 5th 2003, 11:01 PM
MSNBC says preliminary tests confirm evidence of ricin and bolulinium found at an Islamic militant camp in Irag.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/895185.asp?0dm=N13LN&cp1=1

kiwimac
April 6th 2003, 02:37 AM
The ricin and Botulinum were found in a camp in NORTHERN IRAQ, this part of Iraq has not been under Hussein's overview for a number of years!

As for the slab, let us wait and see!

Kiwimac

Captain Ochre
April 6th 2003, 04:03 AM
Today @ 07:37 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=#post)
kiwimac:

The ricin and Botulinum were found in a camp in NORTHERN IRAQ, this part of Iraq has not been under Hussein's overview for a number of years!


Nonetheless, it would confirm statements made by Colin Powell with respect to Iraqi WMD. More to come?



As for the slab, let us wait and see!


I believe that we already had that covered. :smile:

Captain Ochre
April 7th 2003, 08:05 AM
Coalition personnel stationed at Iraqi military compound experience symptoms consistent with exposure to low-level exposure to nerve agents:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/04/07/1049567604116.html

Pilgrim
April 8th 2003, 11:21 AM
And somehow they are all fine now.

One thing no one mentioned is that it was the first test that showed positive results but in two subsequent tests the results were negative.

Even now the report is that the dozen barrels may simply be pesticide and in anycase there are no chemicals of a munitions level sort.

Anyone else notice that in the pictures of the barrels the writing on them is all in English and French with no Arabic in site?

Captain Ochre
April 9th 2003, 05:00 PM
Yesterday @ 04:21 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=59147#post59147)
Pilgrim:

And somehow they are all fine now.


Uh, citation, Pilgrim? Were Gulf War vets all "fine" prior to their "Gulf War Syndrome" symptoms?
Here's an update on the story (April 9th), but with no mention of the soldiers being "fine" nor any confirmation of the barrels having contained mere pesticide.
http://www.etaiwannews.com/World/2003/04/09/1049869579.htm
Another similar link:
http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/iraq/article.jsp?id=99993599&sub=News%20update



One thing no one mentioned is that it was the first test that showed positive results but in two subsequent tests the results were negative.


Why don't you mention it, then, and provide a citation so that your contribution may be double-checked? I started the thread, and I encourage such participation on your part.



Even now the report is that the dozen barrels may simply be pesticide and in anycase there are no chemicals of a munitions level sort.


The latter is irrelevant, since the direct precusors of chemical weapons count as violations unless another use has been documented.



Anyone else notice that in the pictures of the barrels the writing on them is all in English and French with no Arabic in site?

Because barrels (as everyone knows) must always contain their original contents and/or contain whatever the labels say they contain?

Your comment above is the type of innuendo-laden comment that I find astonishing. Start a different thread if you wish to change the subject, please.

Captain Ochre
April 9th 2003, 05:06 PM
NPR passes on report of chemical weapon warheads (April 7).

http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/20419/story.htm

http://discover.npr.org/features/feature.jhtml?wfId=1223246

Captain Ochre
April 11th 2003, 02:55 PM
Buried lab equipment found at Iraqi chemical plant, suspected mobile chem-weapons lab found (Eireann will say it may be a military concession stand serving freedom fries and frozen treats :wink:):
http://www.suntimes.com/output/iraq/cst-nws-chem11.html

And another puff of smoke:
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/special_packages/iraq/5611665.htm