A friend of mine from high school is now a pastor in another state, in a liberal denomination. I came across a Facebook conversation he was participating in about homosexuality in the Bible, which is NOT my focus here. His reasoning for being accepting of it included the fact that, based on 1 Corinthians 7, he believed that Paul thought that all sexual activity was inherently sinful and that as he allowed some within marriage as a concession, likewise, we could allow some homosexual activity despite what Romans 1 said. To me, this sort of view seems to fly in the face of the "opposite extreme" in 1 Corinthians 6, where Paul clearly sets some limits on sexual behavior, and the notion that sexual activity is inherently wrong seems unsupported (and that Paul is merely stating his personal preference). I am curious if the view this guy is promoting is actually commonly held at all. It seems like a really bad argument to me, but
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"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard RavenhillTags: None
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It never ceases to amaze me the extent to which people will go to justify their goofy and/or sinful notions.
Proverbs 14:12 (KJV) There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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It is no great leap to move from condemning righteous activity to approving wicked activity.
1 Timothy 4:1-3
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
Why else would the demons prohibit good things?
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This guy needs to learn to read what is written not what he wants to see written.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostThis guy needs to learn to read what is written not what he wants to see written."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostA friend of mine from high school is now a pastor in another state, in a liberal denomination. I came across a Facebook conversation he was participating in about homosexuality in the Bible, which is NOT my focus here. His reasoning for being accepting of it included the fact that, based on 1 Corinthians 7, he believed that Paul thought that all sexual activity was inherently sinful and that as he allowed some within marriage as a concession, likewise, we could allow some homosexual activity despite what Romans 1 said. To me, this sort of view seems to fly in the face of the "opposite extreme" in 1 Corinthians 6, where Paul clearly sets some limits on sexual behavior, and the notion that sexual activity is inherently wrong seems unsupported (and that Paul is merely stating his personal preference). I am curious if the view this guy is promoting is actually commonly held at all. It seems like a really bad argument to me, but"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostA friend of mine from high school is now a pastor in another state, in a liberal denomination. I came across a Facebook conversation he was participating in about homosexuality in the Bible, which is NOT my focus here. His reasoning for being accepting of it included the fact that, based on 1 Corinthians 7, he believed that Paul thought that all sexual activity was inherently sinful and that as he allowed some within marriage as a concession,
In one way I see the point. Since we live in a sin marred world, everything is marred or distorted by sin. Even though we are saved, we are still in this sinful world and are affected by it and it may influence the saved person's actions.
That being said, husbands and wives, enjoy yourself one with another and let God sort it out."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostOne thing is for sure: I've told him before I've considered going to seminary, and he told me to contact him if I do for a recommendation on where to go. I do NOT plan on taking him up on his offer.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostIgnoring the Paul aspects, I have run into this all sex is sinful attitude in conservative circles as well. It seems to me that their view holds that any sexual relationship involves some degree of lust and therefore sin is involved even between husband and wife.
In one way I see the point. Since we live in a sin marred world, everything is marred or distorted by sin. Even though we are saved, we are still in this sinful world and are affected by it and it may influence the saved person's actions.
That being said, husbands and wives, enjoy yourself one with another and let God sort it out.
Paul did say that marriage partners were not to deny each other, except for a limited time and by mutual agreement. ... Beyond an unsupported subjective interpretation, we have no evidence to suggest that Paul considered sexual desire to be inherently sinful.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Obsidian View PostLust refers to coveting another man's wife.
Romans 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Obsidian View PostIt does not specifically say that"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostIgnoring the Paul aspects, I have run into this all sex is sinful attitude in conservative circles as well. It seems to me that their view holds that any sexual relationship involves some degree of lust and therefore sin is involved even between husband and wife.
In one way I see the point. Since we live in a sin marred world, everything is marred or distorted by sin. Even though we are saved, we are still in this sinful world and are affected by it and it may influence the saved person's actions.
That being said, husbands and wives, enjoy yourself one with another and let God sort it out.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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