Interesting "Church of Christ" Chart...

[Spiritus Naturae]

The Accapella Churches of Christ love charts...I mean loves 'em. When they meet with potential new members the Elders will oft times bring out a series of charts, this one in particular (see below) was one that I found quite interesting and a bit convoluted for my tastes.

Give it a gander ya'll.

http://www.christ.or.kr/images/English/history.JPG

[bar Jonah]

For clarification, is that associated with the Int'l Church of Christ cult? Or just the run-of-the-mill, general Churches of Christ? :eh:

[bar Jonah]

Oh wow, on the left side of the graph, they have a list of all the heresies that have been introduced in the alleged apostasy of the Church in the last 2,000 years. At 400 A.D., they have the introduction of the heresy referred to as "Salvation by faith-only through grace."

Yikes! :shocked:

If that's a heresy, then burn me now! :heretic:

[Spiritus Naturae]

For clarification, is that associated with the Int'l Church of Christ cult? Or just the run-of-the-mill, general Churches of Christ? :eh:

No, not the International cult...the general or mainline CoC they call it.

[bar Jonah]

Yow, they're still pretty severely messed up, though.

Gal. 1:6-9 ..... They are preaching a false gospel and are to be considered anathema. Rejected and kept at a distance, without fellowship in the Body.

[themuzicman]

Smilie theft NOTED!

[bar Jonah]

Smilie theft NOTED!
Bro, I've had this smiley for almost a year. :lol:

[Spiritus Naturae]

Yow, they're still pretty severely messed up, though.

Gal. 1:6-9 ..... They are preaching a false gospel and are to be considered anathema. Rejected and kept at a distance, without fellowship in the Body.


Here is another acappella Churches of Christ chart in which the 'law of exclusion' aka 'law of silence' is promoted. It was the first time I had heard of such a thing. Only in the Churches of Christ is this promoted as 'biblical' and they say it supports their notion and tradition that instruments are not to be allowed in worship period. I see no references in the NT to the church, local congregations, worshipping at all, so how they draw these conclusions must clearly be from Restoration Movement tradition.

Check it out:http://www.christ.or.kr/images/English/pattern_in_the_worship.gif

[elysian]

The Accapella Churches of Christ love charts...I mean loves 'em. When they meet with potential new members the Elders will oft times bring out a series of charts, this one in particular (see below) was one that I found quite interesting and a bit convoluted for my tastes.

Give it a gander ya'll.

http://www.christ.or.kr/images/English/history.JPG

That chart is outright freaky. It reminds me of the end-times charts my sister's SB church used to teach their interpretation of the "Rapture" and assorted eschatological theories (yipes!)

I remember having nightmares about "what if the Rapture happens when I'm in the bath? On the toilet? What if I'm road raging at someone and flying the bird and cussing them out?" :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Graham Cracker]

Funny. Alexander Campbell or one of their founders used to say, "Where the Bible speaks, we speak. Where the Bbile is silent we are silent. "

I guess that doesn't apply to instrumental music. They make it anathema when the NT says nothing about it. When the OT talks about it all over the Psalms they still forbid it.:teeth: :ahem: :thumbd:

[elysian]

It breaks my heart that people miss out on all the ways to praise God with instrumental as well as vocal music.

All of creation belongs to God, and if all of creation praises Him who is to say "except with instrumental music?" I don't get it.

[Abigail]

It breaks my heart that people miss out on all the ways to praise God with instrumental as well as vocal music.


On the other hand though, some of the singing in the non-instrumental C of C's is beautiful...truly wow factor.

[Spiritus Naturae]

On the other hand though, some of the singing in the non-instrumental C of C's is beautiful...truly wow factor.

Yes, Abigail accapella singing in general can be very beautiful. Here in Houston on the local Christian radio station, they have a program of accapella performances from Harding University (a Church of Christ institution) in Cercy, ARK and the singing is awesome. :wink:

But, I can't place singing and instruments as a salvational issue as some in the non-instrumental CoC tend to do.

Jonathan

[Spiritus Naturae]

Found another...give it a gander if you like.

It's the first one on the row there below. :wink:

[luv1another]

Funny. Alexander Campbell or one of their founders used to say, "Where the Bible speaks, we speak. Where the Bbile is silent we are silent. "

I guess that doesn't apply to instrumental music. They make it anathema when the NT says nothing about it. When the OT talks about it all over the Psalms they still forbid it.:teeth: :ahem: :thumbd:

actually yes alexander campbell was one of the founders but not intentionally... if you read the history they set out to get churchs back on track... some churches had started to go off base with their teachings and all they set out to do was to try and get churches unified and back to reading from the bible and using the bible and not taking it out of context basicly. Unfortuneately a lot of churches were set in their ways and did not want unity and in the end what he did not want to happen did. people started dividing and starting churches and calling themselves campbellites and churches of Christ. As far as I know Churches of Christ and disciples of Christ churches all have the same start. as each congregation is a seperate entity each will have their own interpretation as to what some things say and so you can go from one church of Christ which is walking the way God would want to the next town where hersey is taught.

people should be judging each church indiviually not as a whole.
also internationally in diffrent countries the Church of Christ is more like the disciples of Christ Church.

I really wish people would stop tar and feathering all Churches of Christ with the same brush. Yes I get annoyed with this continuation of seeing churches of Christs name dragged through the mud.

I am a member of a Church of Christ in Australia and I know darn well that it's the best church in my city and it is one of the most Godly churches where I live... the pastor is following what God wants for our church we reach out to people and even to other countries... we have a worship team and a fine group of musicians. even the worship team is led by the direction God is speaking for the time. So you guys can bag Churches of Christ, but from experience I know the Chruch I am in is awesome and I have grown spiritually where I am. I was not growing in the church I was in before this one.

I could dig around and find some stuff about some other church denominations I am sure there are plenty of skeletons in the closet of most that could be dragged up and called heresy and brought under the microscope... just an example what about the forbiding of dancing of baptists in the past?:ahem:

[AcousticJS]

Here is another acappella Churches of Christ chart in which the 'law of exclusion' aka 'law of silence' is promoted. It was the first time I had heard of such a thing. Only in the Churches of Christ is this promoted as 'biblical' and they say it supports their notion and tradition that instruments are not to be allowed in worship period. I see no references in the NT to the church, local congregations, worshipping at all, so how they draw these conclusions must clearly be from Restoration Movement tradition.

Check it out:http://www.christ.or.kr/images/English/pattern_in_the_worship.gif
Man, that chart is a freaky kind of pseudo-logic... It's on this basis they say instruments aren't allowed? Freaky.

[Shini]

A few of my favorite little things from the graph:

2000 - the year of doom?
Roman Catholic faith - Mother of Harlots
Oh, and the chronological list of heretical doctrines

[spiritmech]

For clarification, is that associated with the Int'l Church of Christ cult? Or just the run-of-the-mill, general Churches of Christ? :eh:

What kind of millenialism is that? A-mill, pre-mill, post-mill, now "run-of-the-mill?" I can't keep up with all the latest eschatology! <sob>

SM

[Spiritus Naturae]

actually yes alexander campbell was one of the founders but not intentionally... if you read the history they set out to get churchs back on track... some churches had started to go off base with their teachings and all they set out to do was to try and get churches unified and back to reading from the bible and using the bible and not taking it out of context basicly. Unfortuneately a lot of churches were set in their ways and did not want unity and in the end what he did not want to happen did. people started dividing and starting churches and calling themselves campbellites and churches of Christ. As far as I know Churches of Christ and disciples of Christ churches all have the same start. as each congregation is a seperate entity each will have their own interpretation as to what some things say and so you can go from one church of Christ which is walking the way God would want to the next town where hersey is taught.

people should be judging each church indiviually not as a whole.
also internationally in diffrent countries the Church of Christ is more like the disciples of Christ Church.

I really wish people would stop tar and feathering all Churches of Christ with the same brush. Yes I get annoyed with this continuation of seeing churches of Christs name dragged through the mud.

I am a member of a Church of Christ in Australia and I know darn well that it's the best church in my city and it is one of the most Godly churches where I live... the pastor is following what God wants for our church we reach out to people and even to other countries... we have a worship team and a fine group of musicians. even the worship team is led by the direction God is speaking for the time. So you guys can bag Churches of Christ, but from experience I know the Chruch I am in is awesome and I have grown spiritually where I am. I was not growing in the church I was in before this one.

I could dig around and find some stuff about some other church denominations I am sure there are plenty of skeletons in the closet of most that could be dragged up and called heresy and brought under the microscope... just an example what about the forbiding of dancing of baptists in the past?:ahem:

You are correct, luv. And for clarity's sake I will re-state that the above charts and doctrines can be found at what is referred to in the States as an, "Acappella/Mainline Church of Christ" congregation. Your church home, luv, I would say would be counted as anathema by this group because of what your church teaches not corresponding with their doctrine or, in their estimation, what "the bible teaches." I've visited your church's website and it seems like a great place to worship and grow. You won't find alot of 'growth' at a church like those in question.

Hopefully, everyone will understand now that I'm not speaking so broadly.

Jonathan

[Gabby]

actually yes alexander campbell was one of the founders but not intentionally... if you read the history they set out to get churchs back on track... some churches had started to go off base with their teachings and all they set out to do was to try and get churches unified and back to reading from the bible and using the bible and not taking it out of context basicly. Unfortuneately a lot of churches were set in their ways and did not want unity and in the end what he did not want to happen did. people started dividing and starting churches and calling themselves campbellites and churches of Christ. As far as I know Churches of Christ and disciples of Christ churches all have the same start. as each congregation is a seperate entity each will have their own interpretation as to what some things say and so you can go from one church of Christ which is walking the way God would want to the next town where hersey is taught.

people should be judging each church indiviually not as a whole.
also internationally in diffrent countries the Church of Christ is more like the disciples of Christ Church.

I really wish people would stop tar and feathering all Churches of Christ with the same brush. Yes I get annoyed with this continuation of seeing churches of Christs name dragged through the mud.

I am a member of a Church of Christ in Australia and I know darn well that it's the best church in my city and it is one of the most Godly churches where I live... the pastor is following what God wants for our church we reach out to people and even to other countries... we have a worship team and a fine group of musicians. even the worship team is led by the direction God is speaking for the time. So you guys can bag Churches of Christ, but from experience I know the Chruch I am in is awesome and I have grown spiritually where I am. I was not growing in the church I was in before this one.

I could dig around and find some stuff about some other church denominations I am sure there are plenty of skeletons in the closet of most that could be dragged up and called heresy and brought under the microscope... just an example what about the forbiding of dancing of baptists in the past?:ahem:


:amen: Luv!!

[Graham Cracker]

I really wish people would stop tar and feathering all Churches of Christ with the same brush. Yes I get annoyed with this continuation of seeing churches of Christs name dragged through the mud.Most of those I have met in this country teach pretty much the same thing. It depends on one's exposure, certainly. But, I have seen them all use nearly the same proof texts with little or no originality in Bible study. I don't really have a problem with the music thing. I can't sing, or so my family tells me.



I could dig around and find some stuff about some other church denominations I am sure there are plenty of skeletons in the closet of most that could be dragged up and called heresy and brought under the microscope... just an example what about the forbiding of dancing of baptists in the past?:ahem:It's interesting that you cite the forbidding of dancing. If we assume that either side of the issue is correct, neither view would constitute heresy. There may be disagreement, but it isn't heresy. By the way, I am not Baptist.

The term heresy originally referred to the tendency toward schism, not false doctrine as we use the term now. :lol: