creationism and anti-matter

[Aardvark]

i was just curious to hear some of the positions on anti-matter
among creationists. one particular question i have is for what purpose
did god create it?

[A Beautiful Truth]

i was just curious to hear some of the positions on anti-matter
among creationists. one particular question i have is for what purpose
did god create it?

I believe it has to do with the "fine-tuning" of the universe for life--one way God used to get the right amount of protons and neutrons to form the elements.

[Ungoliant]

But that does not explain the need for anti-matter - if there is a need.

[A Beautiful Truth]

But that does not explain the need for anti-matter - if there is a need.

There were 10 billion and 1 nucleons to every 10 billion anit-nucleons in the first moments of the Big Bang and the resulting release of energy resulted in the exact amount of matter we need for galaxies, stars and heavy elements.

A creative process--God creating out of the forces He created.

[Ungoliant]

But my point is that God should not require some manner of CP violation to create the necessary baryons.

[A Beautiful Truth]

But my point is that God should not require some manner of CP violation to create the necessary baryons.

Any ideas how He should have done it?

[Aardvark]

i have heard a theory from atheists that 'nothing' separated into positive and negative, negative being 'anti-matter' and positive being 'matter'. what fallacies would there be with this ideology?

hypothetical question:
if you were able to throw some anti-matter at somebody, would it
kill them?

[potato sundae]

i have heard a theory from atheists that 'nothing' separated into positive and negative, negative being 'anti-matter' and positive being 'matter'. what fallacies would there be with this ideology?


That's weird (interesting, intriguing); how can you seperate nothing? Francis Schaeffer gave a mental image of what "nothing" is: Imagine a circle with nothing in it, then take away the circle; that's "nothing".

How can you "seperate" what isn't really there?

[Aardvark]

How can you "seperate" what isn't really there?
i believe the man gave an analogy of magnets. when you put positive
and negative together you get no charge.
he also asserted that there is still nothing!
but surely this isnt the case, or else you and i wouldnt
be typing to eachother.

by the way, do you play sitar?

[potato sundae]

i believe the man gave an analogy of magnets. when you put positive
and negative together you get no charge.
he also asserted that there is still nothing!
but surely this isnt the case, or else you and i wouldnt
be typing to eachother.

Hmm. I'm going to give a very unqualified and amateur stab at this. So you have the charges to begin with, and when you combine them, you get no charge. This doesn't mean that nothing is there, per se; only that when you combine two already existing forces you come out with a "neutral force". (Would a no-charge be the same as a neutral charge?) The dictionary defines nothing as "no thing"...is it not obvious that we have "some thing" here? We have combined charges, not taken charges away, so there must be something in that no-charge.

I'll stop now; it's late, and I'm babbling.:teeth: Skewed, unprofessional thoughts...

by the way, do you play sitar? Nope, just a fan of the legendary RAVI SHANKAR:teeth: I've thought about playing, but I have yet to look further into actually buying one.

Cheers

[A Beautiful Truth]

Nope, just a fan of the legendary RAVI SHANKAR:teeth: Cheers

And I thought it was one of the threee stooges in your avatar...

[potato sundae]

And I thought it was one of the threee stooges in your avatar... :teeth: no...just an old sitar player.

[Aardvark]

potato,
i heard the theory presented in a video of a debate between
apologist william lane craig and 'something' atkins, i believe from cambridge.
you can find it on rzim.org
it is a pretty cool debate.
dont take my word on that magnet thing. it is only a semi-memori.

Would a no-charge be the same as a neutral charge?no clue, yur asking another 'unqualified amateur' :b_evil:

isnt that evil banana the coolest?
i like to use it, even when it doesnt neccessarily apply to the conversation.

im probly just gona use it for everything now.
i may even just post it on someone's thread with no text or anything!

wow, ive never heard of ravi shankar. he sounds really cool though.
im a musician, that is why i initially asked.
im thinking of getting this acoustic guitar by line 6. it has a ton of cool
features. you can make it sound like a classical, 12-string, jumbo,
a banjo, mandolin, and a sitar!

have you ever heard of the apologist ravi zacharias?
the site i mentioned above is his site.
is ravi shankar from india? zacharias is, i wonder if its a common name
out there like 'joe' or somethin.

by the way, i swear im not on drugs!

[potato sundae]

potato,
i heard the theory presented in a video of a debate between
apologist william lane craig and 'something' atkins, i believe from cambridge.
you can find it on rzim.org
it is a pretty cool debate.

I'll be sure to check it out. I've read some of Craig's articles and heard some positive things about him, but I have yet to see him in action.


dont take my word on that magnet thing. it is only a semi-memori.
Gotcha...:smile:


no clue, yur asking another 'unqualified amateur' :b_evil:

isnt that evil banana the coolest?
i like to use it, even when it doesnt neccessarily apply to the conversation.
Haha. Cool.:teeth:

wow, ive never heard of ravi shankar. he sounds really cool though.
im a musician, that is why i initially asked.
im thinking of getting this acoustic guitar by line 6. it has a ton of cool
features. you can make it sound like a classical, 12-string, jumbo,
a banjo, mandolin, and a sitar! My goodness that's a lot of gadgets for one instrument! Have fun with it:smile: I myself am somewhat of a musician (...in the very least sense of the word...) guitar mostly.

have you ever heard of the apologist ravi zacharias?
the site i mentioned above is his site.
is ravi shankar from india? zacharias is, i wonder if its a common name
out there like 'joe' or somethin. Yeah, he's from india; here's his site www.ravishankar.org (http://www.ravishankar.org) check that out for some more info. I've heard of Zacharias; thought about buying a book of his, "Jesus Among Other God's"...didn't buy it though.

by the way, i swear im not on drugs! Don't worry; if you were on drugs I doubt you would be able to type that message...heh heh.

[kofh2u]

i was just curious to hear some of the positions on anti-matter
among creationists. one particular question i have is for what purpose
did god create it?

Your question leaves me wondering what I would answer if you asked, " Protons, for what purpose did god create it?"

Can you be alittle more explicit?

[Aardvark]

Your question leaves me wondering what I would answer if you asked, " Protons, for what purpose did god create it?"

Can you be alittle more explicit?
ummm...not really.
i thought you were a non-theist?
i could be mixed up, but that is the first thought i had in my brain.

back to your question though,
for one thing, i dont know a great deal about anti-matter.
and i dont see why the universe cant just be 'matter'.
so it logically followed that i posted a thread to hear some ideas
on how anti-matter fits into the theistic position.

but just for kicks,
protons, for what purpose did god create them? :b_evil:

[Aardvark]

I'll be sure to check it out. I've read some of Craig's articles and heard some positive things about him, but I have yet to see him in action.
yeh, hes pretty smart. although at some points in the debate he got a little
mean. but i guess he was no meaner than most of the christians on tweb.

I myself am somewhat of a musician (...in the very least sense of the word...) guitar mostly
thats awesome. how long have you been playing? acoustic or electric?
right now all i have is an electric. i want to get an acoustic, especially the line 6, but unfortunately its $1200. maybe if i...:pray:

Yeah, he's from india; here's his site www.ravishankar.org (http://www.ravishankar.org/) check that out for some more info. I've heard of Zacharias; thought about buying a book of his, "Jesus Among Other God's"...didn't buy it though.

ill be sure to check out the site.
that is ironic cuz i also have the 'jesus amoung other gods' video!
i really like videos more than books, although i got rid of my tv so i guess
im stuck with reading. ravi has these other two books that are set up like conversations. one is between jesus and buddha. and the other is between jesus and oscar wilde. they are pretty cool too.

yeh if i was on drugs, it would probly look more like kjeaekejffffffff
dkkkkkkkkfklfkjeif

[kofh2u]

ummm...not really.
i thought you were a non-theist?
i could be mixed up, but that is the first thought i had in my brain.

back to your question though,
for one thing, i dont know a great deal about anti-matter.
and i dont see why the universe cant just be 'matter'.
so it logically followed that i posted a thread to hear some ideas
on how anti-matter fits into the theistic position.

but just for kicks,
protons, for what purpose did god create them? :b_evil:

HahAA...haaaa...
No. I'm 100% Christonian.

But, if you read my posts I guess you figure that a person who see scripture is about everything... not only behavior, sociology, history, but even Science, I can understand why you might be confused.

God always does everything in trinity. Like Flats, Sharps, and white keys on the piano, so...
... he made Protons to complement Electrons and Neutrons.

NowvI know you knew that and are just brining me on, but what I say about God and Science is true.

[Aardvark]

my apologies kofh.
can you run your beliefs on science by me again?
im still not quite sure what you are saying.

ah, the #'s and b's. so you play?
have you ever seen the pianos with the black and white
reversed? i want one real bad. what if all the keys were
like tye-dye? now that would be groovy.

ive just started recently. all i can play is 'moonlight sonata', 'imagine' (lennon),
and a handful of things ive made up. i do have a completed song though,
i call it, 'day of the aardvark'.
peace