Augusta, golf, and men

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'm confused about this whole Augusta golf course issue. Apparently they don't want women there. I really can't figure out why, that is unless, it is a gay course. Are all those guys that are members closet homosexuals?

[Alden]

I'm sure that's it:hrm:

[Wesley's son]

I live here in Augusta. The Masters golf club is a restricted group because of male chauvinism, NOT homosexuality. It is one of the last bastions of old tradition, with ideologies like "women can't do this" or "women shouldn't do that".

[Alden]

Let me pose this question:

Why is it not okay for Augusta to be male only?

Are clubs that are exlusive to gender wrong?

What about the girl scouts or lady fitness?

[Rubia Warren]

I, as a woman, couldn't care less if they are male-only. More power to them.

[Jimmy Higgins]

Today @ 10:48 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=65599#post65599)
Alden:
Let me pose this question:

Why is it not okay for Augusta to be male only?Its not the end game that matters, but rather the intention of the rule. For instance, it would be wrong for them to exclude women because merely of their gender. Rather, it would be okay if the men did this in order so that they could be farting and smoking cigars without women being around so that they aren't embarressed.

Are clubs that are exlusive to gender wrong?

What about the girl scouts or lady fitness?As I said before, its the intentions of the action that bind whether they are wrong or not. I doubt you'd buy cookies from the Boy Scouts. That would be just weird. As for lady fitness, well, I don't know how much working your uterus needs, but I'm pretty sure that most other men are void of needing such exercising.

[Alden]

Way to not really answer the question.


As for lady fitness, well, I don't know how much working your uterus needs, but I'm pretty sure that most other men are void of needing such exercising.

:thumb: :dufus:

Who cares what the intent is? These groups are private, and as such, who says that they have to be all inclusive? It's not like they are using gov't money and are saying, "you chicks can't golf here". Privately funded groups have a right to set the policy regarding the activity of their group.

Here's a question:

Why don't the feminists, who want to play golf with a bunch of guys that they hate, go and build a ladies only golf course equal to that of augusta? I'm sure that they could find a few high-power women like Carly Fiorina (CEO, Hewlet-packard) to donate for the start-up

[Rubia Warren]

Hmph. No fair. I wanna join the club so I can fart and smoke cigars, too. Farting and smoking aren't just for guys! Anything you can do I can do better......

[Alden]

You don't need to join a club if it's farting and cigars that you are after! Just meet pat and I at Cafe Pergolesi in Santa Cruz sometime in the next month.:thumb:

[Rubia Warren]

You're on, brotha!!! And bring some matches- we're gonna light 'em up!!!

[Alden]

Matches? We don't use no stinking matches! Zippos all the way baby!!!http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/contrib/ruinkai/FIREdevil.gifhttp://www.freeadpower.org/~mrsmiles/contrib/edoom/Smoker.gif

[Alden]

btw, is that avatar you, or just another selma hayek-like disguise? Or was it Janet? Or was it...heck, I can't keep em all straight.

[Rubia Warren]

It's me. Take a good look, I'm getting ready to be disguised again. BUUUUURRRRR.... hey!:huh: Where did that come from?

[wienerdog]

Today @ 04:08 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=65618#post65618)
Jimmy Higgins:

Its not the end game that matters, but rather the intention of the rule. For instance, it would be wrong for them to exclude women because merely of their gender. Rather, it would be okay if the men did this in order so that they could be farting and smoking cigars without women being around so that they aren't embarressed.
I THINK it's something along those lines actually. They just want a place to get away where they can enjoy the company of men for awhile. It's just an adult version of GROSS (Get Rid Of Slimy girlS). I don't have any problem with this. My wife has a "girls' night out" every now and then. I think it's the same kind of thing.

[Woman]

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[Alden]

:rofl:

[Jimmy Higgins]

Today @ 02:20 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=65854#post65854)
wienerdog:
I THINK it's something along those lines actually. They just want a place to get away where they can enjoy the company of men for awhile. It's just an adult version of GROSS (Get Rid Of Slimy girlS). I don't have any problem with this. My wife has a "girls' night out" every now and then. I think it's the same kind of thing. Then why don't they just say it?

[Pilgrim]

They did, when they said "Men Only." But of course we are missing the point that women play gold at Agusta every day. They are not forbidden at Augusta they just need an invite. Seriously, if this is the issue that womens organizations want to focus on then I think women have it pretty good. There is nothing wrong with a mens club or a womans only club. SOmetimes you just want to be with the boys and sometimes ouo just want to be with the girls.

But on a cooler note, how about that woman who is playing golf on the PGA. She's gonna kick butt. Her I dig because she's doing it not to make a point but to challenge herself to a higher level of play.

[Pilgrim]

So you had to use the underwear picutre did you? Thanks loads. No Really. Thanks.

[Wesley's son]

It's an old Southern thing from when social circles were divided along gender lines. Subtlety and innuendo permeate communication and politeness is valued over blunt honesty.

I don't understand it all myself. I am originally from West Texas where a strong woman, in body and will, is an asset to the community. Historically the pioneer men and women (of Texas) had to work together to survive.

[Wesley's son]

Today @ 10:15 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=66031#post66031)
Pilgrim:

They did, when they said "Men Only." But of course we are missing the point that women play gold at Agusta every day. They are not forbidden at Augusta they just need an invite. Seriously, if this is the issue that womens organizations want to focus on then I think women have it pretty good. There is nothing wrong with a mens club or a womans only club. SOmetimes you just want to be with the boys and sometimes ouo just want to be with the girls.

But on a cooler note, how about that woman who is playing golf on the PGA. She's gonna kick butt. Her I dig because she's doing it not to make a point but to challenge herself to a higher level of play.

You're right, I forgot about that. In fact any man who wants to play at the course (outside of Masters week) has to have an invite, regardless of if he can pay the dues and fees or not. So women AND non - rich, influential members of society men are excluded.

[Gavin]

I am from Augusta. You should see the protests on Washington Road. :doh:

[Gavin]

Wesley's Son, where in Augusta do you live?

[Rubia Warren]

I am sorry. I had such trouble getting through pilgrim's post just now. I totally just busted a gut laughing.
I couldn't care less if they exclude women or poor people. I say round up ALL men and send them out on a golfcourse for a while so I can get a break. If I wanna go play golf, I'll find my own place, thank you. Who wants to be around a bunch of snooty rich people anyways? I am glad they are contained.

[Wesley's son]

Yesterday @ 05:09 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=66680#post66680)
Gavin:

Wesley's Son, where in Augusta do you live?

On Stevens Creek right off RiverWatch Pkwy

Yourself?

[Jimmy Higgins]

Today @ 01:54 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=67203#post67203)
La Rubia:

I am sorry. I had such trouble getting through pilgrim's post just now. I totally just busted a gut laughing.
I couldn't care less if they exclude women or poor people. I say round up ALL men and send them out on a golfcourse for a while so I can get a break. If I wanna go play golf, I'll find my own place, thank you. Who wants to be around a bunch of snooty rich people anyways? I am glad they are contained.
What about Jessica Lynch? She can't become a member. Even after what she gave for her country, just because she doesn't have a prostate. I think that is completely absurd!

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 11:44 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=67716#post67716)
Jimmy Higgins:


What about Jessica Lynch? She can't become a member. Even after what she gave for her country, just because she doesn't have a prostate. I think that is completely absurd!

Uhhhhh.... what does Jessica have to do with golf? Does she even WANT to play in the master's?
A private club should have the freedom to say "boys only"... women are not being oppressed by this here.

[GrayPilgrim]

What about Joseph Hudson? He can't join Victory Fitness Center. Even after what he gave for his country, just because he has a prostrate. Is that absurd too?

BTW even if they were to lift the ban it's not like Jessica could afford to anyways. I used to caddy at a course where it was structureed along similar lines (in fact Augusta was the only course harder in the country to get on). These institutions are privately owned. What business is it of ours what they set. It owuld be different if they took federal funding. I notice it is onlya ll male institutions that get attacked. Notice Sorensen decides she wants to play at the Colonial and she is lauded. Then some guy decides he wants to play in an LPGA tournament and is labeled a fool. I think they are both just as foolish.

[Pilgrim]

They guy who wants to play at the LPGA is foolish. He would only be playing there to make an ass of himself.

He's way back in the standings and needs to go beat up on girls to prove a point? Where as the woman who is going to the Colonial is doing it simply to push her game to a higher level. No political motive, no feminism, she's just looking for good competition.

I say if a woman can play at the level of the PGA then she should get invited to play.

But the Augusta thing is just silly. It's a private club. I can't go down and join the local "Curves" fitness center because it is women only. And I don't care. Sometimes the genders need to be separated. It's so we can complain about eachother more freely!:fight:

[Jimmy Higgins]

Today @ 12:52 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=67725#post67725)
La Rubia:
Uhhhhh.... what does Jessica have to do with golf? Does she even WANT to play in the master's?I think American heros shouldn't be disapproved for something merely because of their gender. That she couldn't afford to is one thing, but the fact that she could never join one of the more prestidious golf clubs is a crime.

A private club should have the freedom to say "boys only"... women are not being oppressed by this here. And private clubs should be allowed to keeps blacks out too?

[Pilgrim]

Hey Jimmy, you never answered the question about men being kept out of womens clubs?

[Jimmy Higgins]

Today @ 03:48 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=68043#post68043)
Pilgrim:
Hey Jimmy, you never answered the question about men being kept out of womens clubs? Women's fitness and men's fitness can be dealt with seperately and can specialize in specific areas.

Golf is golf. Women's golf is no different than men's golf.

[Pilgrim]

It is different in exactly the same ways...The differences are almost exclusively in strength and finesse. And in regards to specialized type of excercises, there is no reason that it all can't be handled in the same building but the thing is, women don't want men there all the time. And more power to them.

Sounds like you want a double standard.

[wienerdog]

Jimmy, golf is golf, but women aren't forbidden from playing golf at Augusta. They're forbidden from being members, which keeps them out of the boys' room where they scratch themselves and talk about how rich white men are victimized in today's society. I don't see a problem with this.

[Pilgrim]

hear hear

[Alden]

Sounds like you want a double standard.

That's exactlywhat it sounds like!

[Pilgrim]

Well, I'm pretty astute that way.

[Alden]

And modest, to boot!:thumb:

[Pilgrim]

Well humility is something I'm very good at.