The Rep System Is Dead

[$cirisme]

Yep, that's right, after discussion we have decided that the reputation system is forever dead, never to return.

With that, however, I would like to introduce the new grading system, which is much more appropriate for a college campus. :smile: It has been a work in progress for several months now and was recently overhauled (again) based on feedback from our contributors and staff. I would like to thank them for their invaluable testing and feedback.

Note that you must be using a Javascript based browser such as Internet Explorer or Mozilla Firefox to be able to grade posts.

In the subject bar you will note that you have an option menu and a text box. The option menu is for certain preset grades, such as, Informative for posts with lots of information. You also have the option to set a custom grade in each of the following categories:


Substance
This category is for posts with lots of substantive information, such as links, statistics, or just plain old math.

Humour
For those really funny posts.

Insight
For those posts that bring a new degree of insightfullness to a thread.

Uniqueness
For posts that bring something new to the thread, rather than just repeat the same old, same old. Posts that really should be scored as a D or F here would probably be posts that merely repeat the same thing said before, or agreement posts which bring nothing new to the conversation. (such as posts that are only: "Yeah, uhuh, I totally agree.")

Grace
Posts that handle other people with tact, will score high here. Posts that are just vindictive hateful name-calling should be scored low here.

And finally,
Relevance
This scores the post's relevance in relation to this thread. Posts talking about Preterism in a thread on Martha Stewart probably won't do so well in this category. :wink:
Please explore these features and let me know what you think. Grade each and every post with fairness based on the criteria for each of the categories here. I hate to end on a threat, but I will anyway: if you do not rate fairly your ability to rate will be eliminated.

[Xmansmommy]

:grin: That is way cool AJ! :bwoot:

[Dee Dee Warren]

I agree, this sounds like a LOT of fun.

[Rusty T]

I keep getting Java script errors when I try to grade. Do I need a red pen?

[btboy500]

Very interesting, but the bar doesn't appear in the Lite skin. Otherwise, a pretty innovative feature.

[$cirisme]

I keep getting Java script errors when I try to grade.
Like...?

[Xmansmommy]

I'm not exactly sure how to grade. I see where I can pick the reason and grade but don't see a button or anything to actually grade. :nsm:

[Em7add11]

How does it store the grade?

[mossrose]

Cir, once again you have displayed your brilliance! Tweb is surely the most innovative and technologically advanced site on the entire internet!

:thumb:

[btboy500]

I'm not exactly sure how to grade. I see where I can pick the reason and grade but don't see a button or anything to actually grade.


On the bottom above the Quick Reply box, sumbit grade is one of the three buttons.

[Xmansmommy]

TY btboy! :thumb:

[$cirisme]

I'm not exactly sure how to grade. I see where I can pick the reason and grade but don't see a button or anything to actually grade. :nsm:
It will automatically grade when you leave the page, but you can manually do it by hitting the "submit grade" button at the bottom of the page above the quick reply.

[$cirisme]

How does it store the grade?
Ummm, in the database. :shifty:

[Em7add11]

When I do that, it just pops up a little window that sticks around until I close it.

[themuzicman]

I get a new mozzila box that is empty. Can't tell if it works.

[Xmansmommy]

Same here :em7:. And I gave AJ an A for the first post in this thread, because it was informative, but it says he has a B. :hrm:

[$cirisme]

Em7, hit CTRL-F5... dunno about Xmans. :shifty:

And as far as the grades go, it's based on the average of all votes.

[Em7add11]

Hmm, still nothing.

[Em7add11]

I uninstalled the tabbrowser extensions and now I get a bigger window that opens, but still no grading.

[themuzicman]

I get the dropdown box, but submit grade doesn't work

[themuzicman]

IE reveals:

Javascript error

Description: 'document.forms.rep.iframe' i snull or not an object
Source:http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?p=641049#post641049
Line: 137

See more details?

[$cirisme]

Ah, you're in borderless. Give me a sec.

[$cirisme]

Ah, you're in borderless. Give me a sec.
should be fixed.

[Em7add11]

The page that comes up with I click "Submit Grade" has this source:


<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><title></title></head><body></body></html>

[Abigail]

Just checking

[Sparko]

Ah, you're in borderless. Give me a sec.
same here. In IE 6 an error, in firefox (borderless) a blank window.

Also, I notice that the rep button has appeard on the posts. but it doesnt do anything (takes me to the top of the page in firefox and javascript error in IE6

[TCapp]

I was having the same issues with firefox, but it seems to be working for me now.

"w00t, all yuor socers wree successfully garded. I sure hope you didn't take into account spellnig, or I tihnk I jsut flunked."

[Sparko]

OK I just graded you Cirisme. and clicked submit grade in the default skin. I got this popup:

"w00t, all yuor socers wree successfully garded. I sure hope you didn't take into account spellnig, or I tihnk I jsut flunked."

[$cirisme]

OK I just graded you Cirisme. and clicked submit grade in the default skin. I got this popup:

"w00t, all yuor socers wree successfully garded. I sure hope you didn't take into account spellnig, or I tihnk I jsut flunked."
It works then. :yes:

(I know it's a dumb message but it was late when I wrote it)

[Sparko]

works in borderless too now. and in IE6 and firefox

[Sparko]

whats with the rep button on the posts now if it is dead forever?

[$cirisme]

whats with the rep button on the posts now if it is dead forever?
Boom will need to remove it. :hehe:

[themuzicman]

Yes, cir, you flunked speeling.

[Piebald]

Can you see who graded you?

[Em7add11]

Hey, it works!

[TCapp]

next to the pull down box, there is a blank box. Did you explain what is was, or did I miss it? I put in "A" for someone, and the grade wound up being "C". :shrug:

EDIT: Oh, it's for putting comments. I think.

[TCapp]

When I choose funny, informative, interesting....... there's no option to choose what grade I want to give. It seems only the custom grade allows for choosing ABCDorF.

[Sparko]

yup I just graded you and typed Comment in the box.

[Sparko]

I notice there are no defualt choiced for "ignorant" "off topic" - negative ratings. I guess that is to make it harder to just grade someone badly.

[Sparko]

seems like you can leave quite a long comment. Look at your last post Tcapp, I posted a comment on it

[Sparko]

Funny ranks as a "C"
Interesting ranks as an "A"
and Informative ranks as a "B"

?????

[Sparko]

Why not just have letters to grade by in the drop down menu?

A, B, C, D, F?

[TCapp]

Okay, I left a long comment too, JohnSparks. But it must be limited since it got cut off. No smilies either. :doh:

[Sparko]

here is something interesting,,

choose "custom" from the drop down. you get all of the separate grading boxes, right? Then go back and choose one of the default settings like "funny" - the drop down boxes STAY on the screen and you can see and change what "funny" is grading in the various areas.

Bug? or feature?

[$cirisme]

Feature.

And the text box is for comments... I meant to say that in my op. :shifty:

[mossrose]

And unless we say who we are, then we don't know who made the comment...which is intended, I think, so that things are not retaliation-worthy......

That was me with the second comment about that one post, TC, BTW.

[Sparko]

OK Crisime,

I have a question . Why do we need/want a grading system for individual posts? Do the average of a person's grades on all his posts count toward something? If he/she consistantly gets poor grades, do they get banned? Or if they get high grades on all their posts do they get rewarded?

[$cirisme]

OK Crisime,

I have a question . Why do we need/want a grading system for individual posts? Do the average of a person's grades on all his posts count toward something? If he/she consistantly gets poor grades, do they get banned? Or if they get high grades on all their posts do they get rewarded?
In the future I plan on doing alot more with this information, but for now it, as always, affects their power.

[Anitra]

I'm using Safari, on a Mac. In both bordered and borderless displays, I get a "submit grade" button at the bottom of the page (submit once for all posts on the page?) and when I select a grade and then click "submit grade" I get a small blank popup window -- and that is all. No message; no change in display; I can go back and change the grade I gave.

If my grade actually posts, am I allowed to grade the same post more than once?

[$cirisme]

No, you can't grade the same post more than once. As far as the Safari problems I can't really help since I have no access to any Mac.

[TCapp]

Antira. the grade function (on a specific post) disappears after I've graded someone (on their specific post).

~~~~~

I noticed when you click on someone's grade, you see the average plus any comment. But you don't see what they were graded on. You could have gotten an A for humor but an F for substance..... but how would you know?

(BTW, I think this is a pretty interesting function, though). :smile:

[$cirisme]

Originally I did have some negative ones, but I decided it was too easy to spitefully post a negative grade without actually thinking about what how you're grading.

[$cirisme]

I noticed when you click on someone's grade, you see the average plus any comment. But you don't see what they were graded on. You could have gotten an A for humor but an F for substance..... but how would you know?
You don't... this could be a good thing or a bad thing... I haven't decided yet. :wink: :rofl:

[TCapp]

However, if someone gives you an F for funny, it's probably safe to assume that someone finds you un-funny. :lol:

[TCapp]

You don't... this could be a good thing or a bad thing... I haven't decided yet. :wink: :rofl:
Hmmmm..... that might be a good point. I guess. :nsm:

[Sparko]

I might be nice if you could see a bar graph of the average of the various parameters

substance: ====== A
humor: === C

etc.

[Xmansmommy]

Any way to know when one of your posts has been graded other than stumbling across it?

[$cirisme]

Any way to know when one of your posts has been graded other than stumbling across it?
I'll probably whip up something easier tonight.

[Xmansmommy]

You always ROCK AJ! :flowers:

[Anitra]

No, you can't grade the same post more than once. As far as the Safari problems I can't really help since I have no access to any Mac.Thanks, Cirisme. Firefox and Safari are very similar except in some minor ways that have to do with the Mac OS. Maybe somebody with a Mac (OS X or later) can check out whether the programming runs differently on that OS.

[$cirisme]

You always ROCK AJ! :flowers:
Thanks! And wait till you see some other improvements I plan on making thanks to the info available from this. :teeth:

[Sparko]

:offtopic:

How do you pronounce "cirisme?"

KUR IS ME?

or SIR IS ME?

and what is "cirisme"?

[Sparko]

Thanks! And wait till you see some other improvements I plan on making thanks to the info available from this. :teeth:
:eek:
Oh no! it is going to be like those Kroger shopping cards! You are going to track our TWEB lives! :noid:

Evil Demographics! EEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVIIIIIILLLLL!

[JardinPrayer]

:offtopic:

How do you pronounce "cirisme?"

KUR IS ME?

or SIR IS ME?

and what is "cirisme"?
It's an unpronouncable symbol carefully designed to represent his omnipotence and tremendous benevolence.

Oh wait. That's this: :cirrobot:

[Tickle Me Goody]

Yep, that's right, after discussion we have decided that the reputation system is forever dead, never to return..
:bawl: First no apple. no crown, no belt, and now no more teeny weeny green bar. Nuffin, I got nuffin. Is it O.K. to rate all of cirisme's posts as evil or will I then lose my voting rights also?

I don't care, I came into the world naked and I shall leave naked also! At least I can hope to have some roasted pig while I am here.

gg

[Em7add11]

GG, you are really put out about that no-apple thing huh?

*takes a bite of his free, tasty TWeb apple.*

[Tickle Me Goody]

GG, you are really put out about that no-apple thing huh?

*takes a bite of his free, tasty TWeb apple.*
Just be thankful that you are not a pig.

Did you know that dee dee got those apples as left overs from a Snow White production? Others that bit into them are yet to wake up.

Gnite:zzz:

[Em7add11]

Yesssss, another solid C post!

[Tickle Me Goody]

Yesssss, another solid C post!
It looks like one can grade the last post in a thread. Do you know to grade ones prior to the last, Mr. smarty pants chess piece.

[Sparko]

Yesssss, another solid C post!
"C" is for "Cool" :yes:

[Em7add11]

Grade them like you graded my post and it will update when you change pages.

[Dee Dee Warren]

Okay though when you hit submit grade it does not show the grades until you refresh the page? Is that correct?

[$cirisme]

Okay though when you hit submit grade it does not show the grades until you refresh the page? Is that correct?
Yes.

[Dee Dee Warren]

Okay. Maybe you want to put that in the gnarly spelt box that comes up?

[One Bad Pig]

At least I can hope to have some roasted pig while I am here.

gg
:no: No you can't. :grin:

[Tickle Me Goody]

:no: No you can't. :grin:
Oh yes I can --- "hope" that is. I can hope for some roasted pig as much as want.

And I ate a slice of bacon the other day. Anyone you know?



gg

[Tickle Me Goody]

Yep, that's right, after discussion we have decided that the reputation system is forever dead, never to return.


So you people with crowns and stars and apples take away even the teeny weeny green bars that we worked so hard for. :whip::thumbd:

I was told the the "cir" stands for " Cruel and Insensive Ruler". Should it not be "cisami" unstead of "cisisme"?

A joke, son. It is a joke!:wink: Don't take my voting rights away!:no: just gimme an F for this post, oh most noble leader and destoyer of green bars.

Actually I think that green bar destruction is great. All you long time appled people had too much of a head start.

gg

[$cirisme]

I was told the the "cir" stands for " Cruel and Insensive Ruler".
I like that.

[Dee Dee Warren]

hahaha

[Tickle Me Goody]

I like that.
Aha --- I see you used it. And I forgot to copyright it!

[Sparko]

:bawl: First no apple. no crown, no belt, and now no more teeny weeny green bar. Nuffin, I got nuffin. Is it O.K. to rate all of cirisme's posts as evil or will I then lose my voting rights also?

I don't care, I came into the world naked and I shall leave naked also! At least I can hope to have some roasted pig while I am here.

gg
Awww! Goody! Don't feel bad! I don't gots no :apple: neither! :crybaby:

But, I made something for you. Now you have the mostest :apple:'s on TWEB!

[$cirisme]

The whole point of the apples are because they're wormy.

[Dee Dee Warren]

Awww! Goody! Don't feel bad! I don't gots no :apple: neither! :crybaby:

But, I made something for you. Now you have the mostest :apple:'s on TWEB!

dang

[Tickle Me Goody]

Awww! Goody! Don't feel bad! I don't gots no :apple: neither! :crybaby:

But, I made something for you. Now you have the mostest :apple:'s on TWEB!
Thanks John.

Now if I could just figure out how to use it.


gg

[Dee Dee Warren]

Hmm AJ I gave that last post of GG's an A but it came up as C, why is that?

[Dee Dee Warren]

same thing with your post number 82. I gave it an A and it came up with C.

[$cirisme]

Hmm AJ I gave that last post of GG's an A but it came up as C, why is that?
It's based on an average of all the grades of each of the categories.

If you did an A on Substance but left NA on the other categories, I suppose it would come up as a C. I will probaly be tweaking the algorithm slightly as time goes on so it's just right.

[Tickle Me Goody]

It's based on an average of all the grades of each of the categories.

If you did an A on Substance but left NA on the other categories, I suppose it would come up as a C. I will probaly be tweaking the algorithm slightly as time goes on so it's just right.
I try to give people an "A" in a single category (say "informative"), but it always comes out as a "B". Have you tried your own system? Time for a little beta testing here.

gg

[$cirisme]

I try to give people an "A" in a single category (say "informative"), but it always comes out as a "B". Have you tried your own system? Time for a little beta testing here.

gg
You're supposed to vote in all categories. If you vote NA in all the other categories it will push the overall rating down.

[Tickle Me Goody]

You're supposed to vote in all categories. If you vote NA in all the other categories it will push the overall rating down.i just did your last post. It was not funny. That pulled down your grade.

I could have been more severe but that crown scared me.

[Captain Ochre]

You're supposed to vote in all categories. If you vote NA in all the other categories it will push the overall rating down.

Isn't that like getting an "F" for a class that you didn't sign up for?
:huh:

[Tickle Me Goody]

Isn't that like getting an "F" for a class that you didn't sign up for?
:huh:
I agree. It is time for our most Wonderful and Venerable Leader, cirisme, --- whose name should be wvlisme --- to fix his grading system!

(I own a consulting firm, if some good programmers are needed.)

GG

[$cirisme]

i just did your last post. It was not funny. That pulled down your grade.

I could have been more severe but that crown scared me.
The funny category is, well... funny. I'd say that that category should only be rated as F if the post was supposed to be funny but wasn't, otherwise it should be C.

A good post can be good without being funny, so I might tweak that category somewhat. I'm not sure. But the above would be the general guidelines for the funny category.

[$cirisme]

I agree. It is time for our most Wonderful and Venerable Leader, cirisme, --- whose name should be wvlisme --- to fix his grading system!

(I own a consulting firm, if some good programmers are needed.)

GG
Fixed? I spent months fixing the rep system and this incorporates virtually every piece of feedback I've ever received.

It works perfectly if used as intended and even pushes you to use it as intended in an objective way.

[Trout]

Fixed? I spent months fixing the rep system and this incorporates virtually every piece of feedback I've ever received.

It works perfectly if used as intended and even pushes you to use it as intended in an objective way.

Do I smell cookies?

[$cirisme]

Do I smell cookies?
:grin:

[Piebald]

Do we carry the feedback with us, or is it really only the individual post that gets the feedback..?

[Tickle Me Goody]

Fixed? I spent months fixing the rep system and this incorporates virtually every piece of feedback I've ever received.

It works perfectly if used as intended and even pushes you to use it as intended in an objective way.
Do these things accumualte and give us a green bar again?

[Conductor42]

I have not been able to get the custom ranks to work in Mozilla Firefox.

[Conductor42]

Personally, I think we oughta ditch the pearls too. They're the same as the rep, for all practical purposes, except I liked the rep. :P

[Tickle Me Goody]

I have not been able to get the custom ranks to work in Mozilla Firefox.
Whine, whine, whine! :whistle:

It takes years to get the bugs out of new software. :sigh:

(I have a consulting firm if some good software guys are need.) :teeth:

[Sparko]

I have not been able to get the custom ranks to work in Mozilla Firefox.
I works for me in firefox.

[Sparko]

Personally, I think we oughta ditch the pearls too. They're the same as the rep, for all practical purposes, except I liked the rep. :P
I think pearls are a bit different. You can give them as a compliment to a good post, or just for a pickmeup for a friend, or payment for a favor (some people gave me pearls for doing custom smilies for them)

Pearls are more like currency than rep points.

[Ben Franklin]

Gimee back my rep...! :pray:

[$cirisme]

Do we carry the feedback with us, or is it really only the individual post that gets the feedback..?
I'm not sure what you mean?

[$cirisme]

I have not been able to get the custom ranks to work in Mozilla Firefox.
Weird, I wrote and tested the whole thing in Firefox. Could you go into a little bit more detail as to how it doesn't work? :huh:

[$cirisme]

Personally, I think we oughta ditch the pearls too. They're the same as the rep, for all practical purposes, except I liked the rep. :P
Not really. The grade system is for individual posts regardless of the person and "given" for hopefully objective reasons. Pearls are for people and are given in a totally subjective way. :smile:

[AcousticJS]

It's based on an average of all the grades of each of the categories.

If you did an A on Substance but left NA on the other categories, I suppose it would come up as a C. I will probaly be tweaking the algorithm slightly as time goes on so it's just right.
Is the raw grade information stored in the database, or the derived average of a custom grade? In other words, will any tweaks to the algorithm be reflected in grades already awarded, or will they just stay the same as they appear now?

[$cirisme]

Is the raw grade information stored in the database, or the derived average of a custom grade? In other words, will any tweaks to the algorithm be reflected in grades already awarded, or will they just stay the same as they appear now?
Depends on what tweaks are done. Possibly both.

After a month I will take a look at all the graded posts and see how well the current algorithm has worked and tweak it appropriately.

[Xmansmommy]

Is anyone other than me using the grading system? :eh:

[$cirisme]

Is anyone other than me using the grading system? :eh:
I use it all the time. Though I guess that's why I only see a few posts graded. :sigh:

[mossrose]

Is there any way to know what posts of our own have been graded without looking at every one of them?

[Sparko]

Yeah! I think we need Report Cards(TM)