Logic Problem (Brain Buster)

[Rusty T]

I figured I would post this under the Philosophy Dept. because it is a logic problem. Here's the rules! (of course if you break them, it's between you and your (god/conscience) [choose one].

1. No posting of the answer in this thread!
2. If you think you know the answer and can logically explain it to me, then PM me and I will keep a running tally of those who are correct.
3. No outside sources! Try to figure it out on your own. If you do use an outside source, please explain how it helped you in your answer.

OK. Here goes. . .
The employees of a small loan company are Mr. Black, Mr. White, Mrs. Coffee, Miss Ambrose, Mr. Kelly, and Miss Earnshaw. The positions they occupy are manager, assistant manager, cashier, stenographer, teller, and clerk, though not necessarily in that
order. The assistant manager is the manager’s grandson, the cashier is the stenographer’s son-in-law, Mr. Black is a bachelor, Mr. White is twenty-two years old, Miss Ambrose is the teller’s step-sister, and Mr. Kelly is the manager’s neighbor.

Who occupies which position?

Have fun and remember no answers in this thread!

tizzi

[TheFiveSolas]

Tizz,
I just sent you a PM with the answers.
That was a fun break, thanks.
:hi:

[Rusty T]

FiveSolas is our first one right! Great job.

tizzi

[jpholding]

Good grief, this reminds me of those Logic Problems that appear in Dell puzzle books.

[Lizard]

:argh: I figured this out yesterday, but forgot to reply. Look for my PM Tizzy.

[Rusty T]

Great job Faramir.

To JP:

Dell?

[jpholding]

Dell is a bigtime publisher of puzzle magazines -- word searches, crosswords, etc. They called what you put up "Logic Problems" and provided readers with a chart to fill in to help them figure it out.

Their stuff can be found at most grocery and drug stores. Usually somewhere under the lowrider and MAD magazines. :hrm:

[Rusty T]

This is a classic logic problem and can be found in introductory texts to logic. It seems JP is now an expert on what a logic problem should be.

prgmrdave has solved the problem. Great job and a great explanation.

tizzi

[Rusty T]

Good job!

[Bill the Cat]

Sounds like a West Virginia bank to me. :spam:

[jpholding]

This is a classic logic problem and can be found in introductory texts to logic. It seems JP is now an expert on what a logic problem should be.

No, just an expert in puzzle books. I took a lot of long car and plane rides when I was younger.

[Jaltus]

Too bad they took this section from the GRE. I did quite well on the GRE section, hehe. I played these games for fun as a kid. Keep them coming, Tizz!

[Woman]

JALTUS!

You B a Q T!!!

Hey, I envied kids like you who did these things for fun. My mind worked in a different way. Still does. Literature and foreign languages were a snap. The linear stuff made me nuts! I could get the answers in math and then couldn't remember or "prove" how I did it. I bet it took me twice as long to do this little logic thingy than it did you.

But, now I think they are fun!

Yeah, Tiz...MORE!

[Rusty T]

I'm away visiting family. Although I do have access to the internet - time is not a luxury, so keep those PM's coming. I will send replies as time permits, but definitely after Sunday, when I'm to arrive home.

Also, I'll probably post another "puzzle" (just for you JP) next week. If anyone else has one, throw it out there. Maybe the Moderators will want to make a Games/Puzzles section (if there isn't one already, many niches I haven't explored yet.)

tizzi

[Vorkosigan]

Actually, if you googlize "logic puzzles" millions of sites will drop out. I use these in class from time to time with my ESL students in basic English. They are lots of fun to do.

Vorkosigan

[Rusty T]

Great job.

I will be posting the solution tomorrow. (hopefully)

[Warcraft3]

Tizz:

This problem took me about 3 or 4 minutes to solve, but I had to assume that Mr Black had always been a bachelor to do it. I guess this is a good example of why I drove my professors at Penn State nuts. The problem was very easy once you assume Mr Black is and has always been a Bachelor. But it is possible to have been married, have kids and then have your spouse die, thus making you a bachelor with kids.

Maybe Im over analyzing though (as usual):teeth:


Russ
:rockon:

[joelkaki]

Just PMed my answer


Joel

[Sher]

I PM'd my answer as well ...

(BTW, I used a spreadsheet for a logic table, but no other outside source)

[Rusty T]

Thanks to Sherbear and others that submitted their answers in my absence. I'm sorry I haven't responded.

Manager: Mrs. Coffee
Asst. Manager: Mr. Black
Cashier: Mr. White
Stenographer: Mr. Kelly
Teller: Miss Earnshaw
Clerk: Miss Ambrose

Here are some steps to come to the solution (I am copying these to save time, which I've had very little of lately)
1. Since Mr. Black is a bachelor, (assumed) he doesn't have any children, and could not be the grandfather of the assistant manager. Therefore he is not the manager.
2. Miss Ambrose is not the teller, because she is the teller's step-sister.
3. Mr. Kelly is not the manager because he is the manager's neighbor.
4. The assistant manager is a male, because he is a grandson.
5. Mr. White is probably not the manager, b/c the manager has a grandson and Mr. White is only 22 years old.
6. Mr. White is probably not the stenographer, b/c Mr. White is not old enough to have a married daughter.
7. The cashier is male, b/c he is a son-in-law.
8. Mr. Black is not the cashier, b/c in order for him to be the cashier is a son-in-law, thus married (which he is not)
9. Mr. Black is not the stenographer because the stenographer has a son-in-law.
10. Miss Ambrose is not the manager, b/c she is not married, and hence cannot be a grandmother. (assumed)
11. Miss Earnshaw is not the manager for the same reasons.
12. Miss Ambrose is not the stenographer b/c she is not married and couldn't have a son-in-law.
13. Miss Earrnshaw is not the stenographer b/c she is not married, and hence couldn't have a son-in-law.

If I could draw a table out, it would be simple to illustrate, i'm going to try attach an image . . .

[Sher]

04-27-2003 @ 11:42 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=80557#post80557)
tizzidale:

Thanks to Sherbear and others that submitted their answers in my absence.

:huh: What was my answer again? I didn't keep a copy ... was I right?