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Alien
April 15th 2003, 04:04 PM
This is a question for all you Christians.

If intelligent extraterrestrial life were discovered (or it discovered us) how would this affect your Christian faith/worldview?

This is not some kind of atheist challenge or subtle trap, I'm genuinely interested in what you have to say.

I will set out a few more detailed questions that occur to me, but please feel free to give any other views that you may have.

- Do you feel that God only created intelligent life on this planet? (If yes) would it be a big deal if this were proven wrong?

- Do you think that the aliens would have souls? How would you determine this?

- What would your reaction be if the aliens had no religious beliefs or concepts?

- What would your reaction be if the aliens had a religion, but no Christ-equivalent? Is Christian salvation through Jesus something that could have been tailored just for us (with something else set up for the inhabitants of other planets), or is it necessarily universal?

- Is it possible that aliens could be still pre-fall (is that right?) ? How would you tell?

OK that's enough from me. I await your responses.

yxboom
April 15th 2003, 04:12 PM
I think it would be pretty dope but why should it affect convictions, belief or what is revealed in Scripture? For me it wouldn't.

Scripture is silent on many many issues but that does not negate it's validity on those areas that it does address.

In the matter of alien salvation, for one I wouldn't imagine having to evangelize them because Scripture states that by one MAN Adam, all men sinned. Alien life form should it exist are not the offspring of Adam. Men need salvation because men are sinners. Nothing would indicate to me that aliens would be any different than any other life form, simply being intellegent does not require that they are spiritually equal as men are.

Warcraft3
April 15th 2003, 07:01 PM
If intelligent extraterrestrial life were discovered (or it discovered us) how would this affect your Christian faith/worldview?

For me it the discovery of advanced life elsewhere in the universe would be a big challenge for my current denial of Evolution via Intelligent Design and would challenge my beliefs consideribly.




- Do you feel that God only created intelligent life on this planet? (If yes) would it be a big deal if this were proven wrong?

I would answer yes to both questions.


- Do you think that the aliens would have souls? How would you determine this?

To both questions I would say I really dont know.


- What would your reaction be if the aliens had no religious beliefs or concepts?

This would be a serious challenge to my current beliefs.

- What would your reaction be if the aliens had a religion, but no Christ-equivalent? Is Christian salvation through Jesus something that could have been tailored just for us (with something else set up for the inhabitants of other planets), or is it necessarily universal?

I think my answer here would be very similar to yxbooms answer.

- Is it possible that aliens could be still pre-fall (is that right?) ? How would you tell?

To the first question, sure I guess it would be possible. To the second question I really dont know.


Russ

:rockon:

InquisitorKind
April 15th 2003, 07:51 PM
Today @ 03:04 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=67995#post67995)
Alien:

This is a question for all you Christians.

If intelligent extraterrestrial life were discovered (or it discovered us) how would this affect your Christian faith/worldview?

It would greatly increase my amazement at the creativity of God; humans are already complex enough as it is!

This is not some kind of atheist challenge or subtle trap, I'm genuinely interested in what you have to say.

I will set out a few more detailed questions that occur to me, but please feel free to give any other views that you may have.

- Do you feel that God only created intelligent life on this planet? (If yes) would it be a big deal if this were proven wrong?

No.

- Do you think that the aliens would have souls? How would you determine this?

Do they ask questions? If they do, they have souls.

- What would your reaction be if the aliens had no religious beliefs or concepts?

I don't think that's possible if they had souls.

- What would your reaction be if the aliens had a religion, but no Christ-equivalent? Is Christian salvation through Jesus something that could have been tailored just for us (with something else set up for the inhabitants of other planets), or is it necessarily universal?

Someone else said it; it's for man (human) kind that Christ died.

Another possibility is that the aliens have no need of a "Christ-like" figure because they are sinless.

- Is it possible that aliens could be still pre-fall (is that right?) ? How would you tell?

OK that's enough from me. I await your responses.

Oops. :doh:

Well, to answer the second part, we could see if they lied. That would be the best test. If they lied (and I mean beyond simple black-and-white lies, but holding to serious mis-truths and epistemological fallicies), then they would be fallen.

I would suspect that they would worship the same God, and as such, would not do what is contrary to His nature--to be untruthful.

~Matt

spl_cadet
April 15th 2003, 07:57 PM
I think the Texans would hold a big barbeque :teeth:

Pereynol of Sheer Dread
April 15th 2003, 10:49 PM
I'm pretty much with Boom on this one....

spl_cadet
April 15th 2003, 11:24 PM
Today @ 12:04 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=67995#post67995)
Alien:

This is a question for all you Christians.

If intelligent extraterrestrial life were discovered (or it discovered us) how would this affect your Christian faith/worldview?

Not at all.


- Do you feel that God only created intelligent life on this planet? (If yes) would it be a big deal if this were proven wrong?

Yes I do feel this is the only place with life. It wouldn't be a big deal for me, just another idea shown false.



- Do you think that the aliens would have souls? How would you determine this?

Immortal souls? Beats me. Let Cardinal Ratzinger figure it out.


- What would your reaction be if the aliens had no religious beliefs or concepts?

Evangelization mania! :teeth:


- What would your reaction be if the aliens had a religion, but no Christ-equivalent? Is Christian salvation through Jesus something that could have been tailored just for us (with something else set up for the inhabitants of other planets), or is it necessarily universal?

Unknown. Ratzinger can figure it out.


- Is it possible that aliens could be still pre-fall (is that right?) ? How would you tell?

No, God wouldn't let us interfere.

Alien
April 16th 2003, 03:25 PM
"Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mindbogglingly big it is. I mean you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space. Listen ..."
(Douglas Adams, "The Hitch-hikers Guide to the Galaxy")

First, thanks to everyone for your thoughtful responses.

What prompted my question was this. I believe that it is very likely that there is life on other planets. From an atheist point of view, the universe is just so vast that it seems to be highly unlikely that this tiny corner of it is unique in this respect. If I were a theist, I would wonder why God would create all that other stuff for no obvious purpose. (OK, creating life doesn't have to be His only purpose, but He does seem to be pretty keen on it).

I'll respond to some of what you wrote.

yxboom:

In the matter of alien salvation, for one I wouldn't imagine having to evangelize them because Scripture states that by one MAN Adam, all men sinned. Alien life form should it exist are not the offspring of Adam. Men need salvation because men are sinners. Nothing would indicate to me that aliens would be any different than any other life form, simply being intellegent does not require that they are spiritually equal as men are.
I don't think that has to be read as exclusive to mankind. I haven't studied the relevant scripture though.

steadele:
For me it the discovery of advanced life elsewhere in the universe would be a big challenge for my current denial of Evolution via Intelligent Design and would challenge my beliefs consideribly.
That's very interesting. Could you expand on this please?

InquisitorKind:
Do they ask questions? If they do, they have souls.
Hmmm. My computer asks questions.

I don't think [having no religious beliefs or concepts is] possible if they had souls.
Good point.

I would suspect that they would worship the same God ....
Given the universality of God, that seems almost certain. Or at least some of them would, as here.

spl_cadet:
I think the Texans would hold a big barbeque
Or the aliens would ..... (heh, heh).

No, God wouldn't let us interfere. [With xyggottsk and grrrjjjjtk in the garden of ffffftwww.]
Good point.

CS Lewis wrote a series of sf (or maybe fantasy) books, one of which ("Perelandra" I think, its a long time since I read them) tells of his hero's being taken to Venus, where he finds a man and woman in a pre-fall state. His mission is to prevent an evil man (also from Earth) from corrupting them.

InquisitorKind
April 16th 2003, 05:42 PM
Hmmm. My computer asks questions.

Sorry, allow me to clarify.

Does it question? Does it ask "why"? Does your computer ask why? Does it question your orders? You may program it to ask "why?" but will it question why it has be programmed to ask question?

Humans do, and that's why I think they have souls, as opposed to animals or machines.

~Matt

Alien
April 16th 2003, 06:53 PM
Today @ 02:42 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=69965#post69965)
InquisitorKind:
Does it question? Does it ask "why"? Does your computer ask why? Does it question your orders? You may program it to ask "why?" but will it question why it has be programmed to ask question?

Humans do, and that's why I think they have souls, as opposed to animals or machines.

Yeah, I wasn't seriously suggesting computers have souls, though some I have owned seemed to have personalities. :)

What I was getting at was that your criterion seemed a bit limited.

I would think that higher mammals, particularly primates, have some degree of questioning ability such as you describe. My dog will do what I say (sometimes) but she often refuses if different circumstances apply. This could be seen as questioning my orders.

I could be wrong here, but I just felt you needed more criteria if you wish to exclude (non-human) animals from the set of "creatures having souls".

InquisitorKind
April 17th 2003, 12:19 AM
Today @ 05:53 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=70065#post70065)
Alien:

Yeah, I wasn't seriously suggesting computers have souls, though some I have owned seemed to have personalities. :)

What I was getting at was that your criterion seemed a bit limited.

I would think that higher mammals, particularly primates, have some degree of questioning ability such as you describe. My dog will do what I say (sometimes) but she often refuses if different circumstances apply. This could be seen as questioning my orders.

I could be wrong here, but I just felt you needed more criteria if you wish to exclude (non-human) animals from the set of "creatures having souls".

Actually, do animals really question why in order to find an answer? Do they increase in knowledge, and I don't just mean in learned responses, such as name calling, or "tricks," but do they really learn more? Are they able to do really complex things...to invent new things?

Yeah, perhaps my criteria is weak, but I really see a strong distinction between humans and animals.

~Matt

Warcraft3
April 17th 2003, 08:45 PM
Alien:

By the way I find it very fitting that you would be the one to ask a question about extra-terrestrials :teeth:


Okay so I responded to one of your questions with:

For me it the discovery of advanced life elsewhere in the universe would be a big challenge for my current denial of Evolution via Intelligent Design and would challenge my beliefs consideribly. ”

And you then replied:

That's very interesting. Could you expand on this please?

Sure. I do not see evolution as a very PROBABLE event for many different reasons. And so I do not believe it occured either here on earth or anywhere else for that matter. I also do not believe that the God of the Bible would have created aliens which humans would become aware of or interact with. Thus, if we did contact alien lifeforms my view of God would change dramatically as would my view of evolution. Im not sure how these beliefs would change overall, but it would be a BIG change.


Russ


:read:

Alien
April 18th 2003, 12:08 PM
Yesterday @ 05:45 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=71268#post71268)
steadele:
By the way I find it very fitting that you would be the one to ask a question about extra-terrestrials :teeth:

Shhhh! Some people already suspect that I'm from .... somewhere else!! If you blow my cover the whole invasion plan will be compromised!

Sure. I do not see evolution as a very PROBABLE event for many different reasons. And so I do not believe it occured either here on earth or anywhere else for that matter. I also do not believe that the God of the Bible would have created aliens which humans would become aware of or interact with. Thus, if we did contact alien lifeforms my view of God would change dramatically as would my view of evolution. Im not sure how these beliefs would change overall, but it would be a BIG change.

Oh, OK.

(Accepting your worldview for the sake of discussion ....)

Your point about evolution would not preclude God's creating life on other planets. As I noted elsewhere, It seems odd that He would create all this real estate then use only one tiny corner of it (for this purpose at least).

Your point about coming into contact with aliens is interesting. The speed of light limitation could support this view. There certainly doesn't seem to be any other intelligent life in the solar system.

On the other hand, who are we to say what God's ultimate plan might be? Perhaps He has a galactic civilisation in mind.

:)

Thanks for your reply.

Light_Seeker
April 19th 2003, 07:40 PM
Yesterday @ 04:08 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=72014#post72014)
Alien: Your point about evolution would not preclude God's creating life on other planets. As I noted elsewhere, It seems odd that He would create all this real estate then use only one tiny corner of it (for this purpose at least).

Personally, I don't think it odd at all. If there aren't e.t's out there, then maybe creating for us a universe so huge that we can't comprehend it one of God's many ways of showing us how amazing he is. If the universe is endless, then I guess to most people it would seem really likely that we aren't the only ones.

Me, I believe that, sure, there could be alien life forms somewhere in space, but I don't think that there actually are. If there were and they had souls, then they would have to have knowledge of God, and I think that he would have a plan of salvation for them. I don't think that there would be a point in creating e.t's that we were never to find out about if none of them had souls. Also, aliens don't exactly fit into what we know of God's plans for the "end times."

LoveEndures
April 23rd 2003, 08:44 AM
- Do you feel that God only created intelligent life on this planet?

Yes, but it is never explicitly stated one way or the other in the Bible if this is so.

(If yes) would it be a big deal if this were proven wrong?

Not really, though I do not believe it to be true that doesn't mean it isn't true.

- Do you think that the aliens would have souls? How would you determine this?

It is hard to make a determination about an object you don't believe is real, but I will say yes. Maybe by getting to know them, find out there beliefs if they are spiritually inclined.

- What would your reaction be if the aliens had no religious beliefs or concepts?

I'd guess their atheists then.

- What would your reaction be if the aliens had a religion, but no Christ-equivalent? Is Christian salvation through Jesus something that could have been tailored just for us (with something else set up for the inhabitants of other planets), or is it necessarily universal?

My reaction would be less then the realization that there are alien races to begin with. I'd assume that Christs sacrifice would take them into account at the time it was done.

- Is it possible that aliens could be still pre-fall (is that right?) ? How would you tell?

I don't think it is really possible. If we meet them then they are already fallen if not then they haven't.

semmie
April 23rd 2003, 11:00 AM
04-16-2003 @ 02:25 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=69751#post69751)
Alien:

I believe that it is very likely that there is life on other planets. From an atheist point of view, the universe is just so vast that it seems to be highly unlikely that this tiny corner of it is unique in this respect. If I were a theist, I would wonder why God would create all that other stuff for no obvious purpose. (OK, creating life doesn't have to be His only purpose, but He does seem to be pretty keen on it).


i think we should have a little ET smiley face option for alien here. :tongue:

seriously, though...are we qualifying "life" to mean "intelligent life"? because frankly, i don't mind if there are worms and daffodils on some remote planet in a foreign solar system. would i find it incredible, and be completely amazed at the awesomeness of it? for sure! but i'm assuring you that it wouldn't cause any speculation on the part of my faith. at any rate, i'm assuming you were referring to intelligent forms of life, in which case--it would cause me to seriously re-evaluate who i am and moreso-who god is. i find it hard to believe....that in a book that is supposed to be divinely inspired, a perfect god would give us no indication of intelligent life outside our planet (if that were the case). scripture describes three types of intelligent life, from what i understand: god (he gets his very own category); angels/demons; and mankind. so if extra-terrestrial life were discovered, my first inclination would be to question whether they are actually "intelligent life," or whether they are part of the spiritual world (angels/demons). these spiritual beings have been known to take on physical characteristics.

but that's just me. :teeth:

i did want to comment, however....about another thing you said. you mentioned the idea of god creating such a vast universe only for one little planet (the dude buying all that real estate and living on only an acre of it). i'm not sure why this is such an issue, really. the idea of equally intelligent life existing somewhere other than this planet, seems bogus to me in light of the necessary conditions in which we exist. that's not to say it's not possible; but that it seems improbable to me.

:shrug: who knows. i just thought i'd offer my two cents.

and one last note? who says that god created all that stuff for no obvious reason? scripture says that heaven is his throne...and earth is his footstool. so...perhaps....all these other planets and things....are his furniture? hehehe. (i'm half joking.)

Socrates
April 24th 2003, 11:35 PM
Christians need not worry about such a hypothetical question. There is no EVIDENCE for life on other planets, or even a planet anything like Earth. It is an unscientific SPECULATION (even if it inspired great series like Star Trek). Alien life also presupposes that chemical evolution is possible, whereas it is an unscientific speculation contrary to known laws of chemistry (see www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/origin.asp )

Alien life is also contrary to Scripture. I endorse AiG's reasoning from www.answersingenesis.org/docs2003/0311answerslive.asp

The Earth was created on Day 1, while the sun, moon and stars (plus any planets the stars might have) were created on Day 4. Adam’s sin resulted in God’s Curse on the whole creation (Romans 8:20–22), so would have affected the e.g., Vulcans, Klingons, Romulans, etc. The Second Person of the Holy Trinity incarnated on Earth alone, took on human nature, died for the sins of those He has the ‘kinsman-redeemer’ relationship with (Isaiah 59:20, Hebrews 2:11–18), then ascended to the right hand of God the Father. He did not take on Vulcan or Klingon nature. And He will have only one Bride, the church, for all eternity. Not an Earth church bride, a Vulcan church bride, and so on.

cloaked_dagger
April 28th 2003, 09:48 PM
If intelligent extraterrestrial life were discovered (or it discovered us) how would this affect your Christian faith/worldview?

It would depend on what type of civilization they were (I guess) and what they told us. But I can think of nothing that would convince me that my beliefs were wrong just because there's life on another planet.

- Do you feel that God only created intelligent life on this planet? (If yes) would it be a big deal if this were proven wrong?

Not necessarily, the universe is too big and too vast to say that God wouldn't create something somewhere else. Just because it's not mentioned, that doesn't mean it's not there. Why should He mention it?

Do you think that the aliens would have souls? How would you determine this?

I don't know. If God created them why wouldn't they? It would depend on the purposes of God I suppose.

What would your reaction be if the aliens had no religious beliefs or concepts?

Evangelize them... LOL. It would depend on their reasoning I guess. Also, are they any more advanced than us? Are they smarter? These would all be things I would have to consider before answering.

What would your reaction be if the aliens had a religion, but no Christ-equivalent? Is Christian salvation through Jesus something that could have been tailored just for us (with something else set up for the inhabitants of other planets), or is it necessarily universal?

Jesus did say he was the only way to God. But why couldn't he have shown up there as well just in another form? Or also, maybe it was not needed for them because maybe these people are perfect and do not sin (hard to believe from the perspective of our limited minds though).

I don't quite understand your last question. But to sum it up, I don't really believe there is a way to prove for or against the existence of another "alien" race. And whether or not they do exist doesn't really affect my beliefs in Christ either. God is God no matter who's out there...

bhukkadakota
May 8th 2003, 11:13 AM
i think finding that we are not alone in this universe has nothing to do with god because god never mentions he hadnt created anything else outside our world

This is what i think will prove the bible wrong.
1. if we find out any animals have a religion, which would mean they have a soul, because having a soul differs humans from animals according to god.

2. if sometime in the future humans evolve into another form, because god created us in his image.

djdavo
May 13th 2003, 02:09 AM
04-16-2003 @ 07:25 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=69751#post69751)
Alien:

"Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mindbogglingly big it is. I mean you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space. Listen ..."
(Douglas Adams, "The Hitch-hikers Guide to the Galaxy")

.... I believe that it is very likely that there is life on other planets. From an atheist point of view, the universe is just so vast that it seems to be highly unlikely that this tiny corner of it is unique in this respect.....



forgive me if someone already addressed this: I'm NOT trying to start a debate, but rather answer this point of view from a creationist's point of view- the 'probability factor' is only relevant if you believe in a non-created world. If God created us it's irrelevant how big the universe is.
For instance: if i carve all the works of shakespeare on a grain of sand, say, and drop it in the middle of the Sahara desert, how many grains of sand will i find with the works of shakespeare on it? only 1. it doesn't matter how many other grains of sand there are if a creator wrote his creation on one of them...



now, to answer your question, i'll quote my pastor, "i don't know if there's life on other planets or not,but i'm sure God has a plan for them,too" :teeth:

djdavo
May 13th 2003, 02:14 AM
04-15-2003 @ 08:04 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=67995#post67995)
Alien:

- What would your reaction be if the aliens had a religion, but no Christ-equivalent? Is Christian salvation through Jesus something that could have been tailored just for us (with something else set up for the inhabitants of other planets), or is it necessarily universal?

- Is it possible that aliens could be still pre-fall (is that right?) ? How would you tell?



just noticed another reponse to these and wanted to add my .02

if they are not descendents of Adam (IE human) it's irrelevant. They wouldn't need Jesus' sacrifice.
The bible does say that through one man (Adam) all have sinned and through one Man (Jesus) all are saved. Logically, Jesus died for all the descendents of adam (humankind).

i would expect they'd have their own system of religion, perhaps similar to Judaism??...fun to think about!



:smile:

FirstSunday33ad
May 13th 2003, 12:57 PM
04-15-2003 @ 03:04 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=67995#post67995)
Alien:

This is a question for all you Christians.

If intelligent extraterrestrial life were discovered (or it discovered us) how would this affect your Christian faith/worldview?

This is not some kind of atheist challenge or subtle trap, I'm genuinely interested in what you have to say.

I will set out a few more detailed questions that occur to me, but please feel free to give any other views that you may have.

- Do you feel that God only created intelligent life on this planet? (If yes) would it be a big deal if this were proven wrong?

- Do you think that the aliens would have souls? How would you determine this?

- What would your reaction be if the aliens had no religious beliefs or concepts?

- What would your reaction be if the aliens had a religion, but no Christ-equivalent? Is Christian salvation through Jesus something that could have been tailored just for us (with something else set up for the inhabitants of other planets), or is it necessarily universal?

- Is it possible that aliens could be still pre-fall (is that right?) ? How would you tell?

OK that's enough from me. I await your responses.

I’m not afraid to admit that finding intelligent sentient life (ISL) on other worlds would turn me into an instant atheist.

I am absolutely convinced that if there is a God, then it must be the God of the Bible. I am equally convinced that Christ died for our sins. ISL would contradict this irrefutably.

Why?

Because if God created the ISL then they must not be fallen. Why would God create us knowing we would fall when He has already created others who did not? Why would God indicate that we were His special creation when we were in fact one of many? If the ISL were not fallen, then they must commune and walk with God, why would such creatures need to explore space or how could we find them ourselves in our imperfect sinful state?

If the ISL were fallen, like us, then they need Christ’s resurrection as well. But Christ died once and ascended into heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father. There is nothing about His being crucified again and again on countless worlds

Therefore, ISL would show the Bible to be false and since all other faiths are already demonstrably false, this would mean that there was no God.

WinAce
May 17th 2003, 11:25 PM
That's kinda throwing out the baby with the bathwater, though. At best you'd have to rely on an argument from silence to infer that aliens can't exist if the Bible doesn't mention them.

I suppose if the aliens we discovered were human, complete with DNA-based genomes that contained the same retrotransposons, pseudogenes, etc. we would know someone was messing around with biology on a cosmic scale.

Rubens
May 29th 2003, 01:42 AM
I know that Alien's original question was intended as hypothetical, and I thank him for his open-mindedness and his invitation to discuss, but I must add my own views on the whole alien life/ probability thing and how this affects Christian thinking on the matter.

Semmie
the idea of equally intelligent life existing somewhere other than this planet, seems bogus to me in light of the necessary conditions in which we exist. that's not to say it's not possible; but that it seems improbable to me.

Ah yes, you've touched on an interesting scientific point; whilst the whole Roswell story, individual accounts of abductions, ancient drawings of UFO like objects and all that is very compelling and cannot be ignored, there is an area of science that has worked out that intelligent life on other planets is HIGHLY improbable due to many logical factors which are beyond the scope of this posting.

I used to be quite a science-fiction buff so it was always emotionally conflicting to be excited about the possibility of E-T life but be concerned about the implications for my faith. Put it this way, in the past my usual reaction was "if a UFO landed in my back yard tommorrow, it would not make me doubt my overall faith in God but it would cast a shadow over some of the details and make some of us look a little silly".

now, I'm not so sure.

Semmie
my first inclination would be to question whether they are actually "intelligent life," or whether they are part of the spiritual world (angels/demons). these spiritual beings have been known to take on physical characteristics.

Excellent point. At the risk of sounding fundamentalist, there are some clues in the Bible as to some strange goings-on that , if taken literally, would make the X-files look like a kiddies story.

Remember the novel "Chariots of the Gods"? It was the first in a long line of UFO/ religion conspiracy theories whose basic premise was: you know how all the ancient people used to worship the sun and had all these superstitions about gods and angels and spiritual beings...C'mon, people, let's all grow up, coz we're so clever now...these "spiritual beings", angels, demons etc.. were all aliens visiting us from a distant galaxy! It's obvious! Get scientific!!

call me crazy but I think it's the wrong way around. The ancients were actually right...! This may be over-simplified, but if you were to define Christian faith scientifically, you would say there is a supreme, utmost supernatural creator of the universe who created, and sits outside of, all dimensions (spatial dimensions + time) plus the dimensions we don't actually know about yet (potentially "heavently realms") which means the best definition of angels/ demons is that they are created beings, powerful, but still contrained within the dimensions that God created, therefore outside our conventional understanding (somehwere between God and us, in terms of spiritual heirachy).

Still with me?

Therefore, nowadays, if a UFO landed in my backyard I would be skeptical that this wasn't another trick by God's spiritual enemy/ies, since general public perception is that the existence of ET's would negate the truth of the Bible.

I know that probably doesn't answer your hypotheticals Alien but there's my input. Thanks for the challenge, and keep watching the skies!!

RB

PS since you're a Douglas Adams' fan, check out my signature...my favourite line!!

Marcus1962
August 13th 2003, 01:09 PM
I think that because we have no proof of a visitation from other worlds, we have proof of aliens existence. They're too smart to drop by! :teeth: