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Truthseeker
09-09-2014, 06:05 PM
I've been accused of wearing a tinfoil hat. You can imagine how happy I was to see this research being done by Henrik Mouritsen on birds' navigational abilities. He wanted to know why birds navigated so poorly in urban areas while they could do well in rural areas. One day he covered the cages in which he kept his research birds with aluminum foil. Suddenly they could navigate. Conclusion: wearing tinfoil hats might be beneficial. Well, aluminum foil, anyway.

klaus54
09-09-2014, 07:52 PM
Linky?

Truthseeker
09-09-2014, 08:21 PM
Linky?Do you know how to google?
Anyway, here's a link http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/05/140507-birds-migration-electromagnetic-robins-henrik-mouritsen-science-broadband/

phank
09-09-2014, 08:22 PM
Linky?

Here, I think:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/05/140507-birds-migration-electromagnetic-robins-henrik-mouritsen-science-broadband/

Leonhard
09-10-2014, 01:53 AM
Are you finally giving in to your urge to wear a tinfoil hat? :hehe:

klaus54
09-10-2014, 06:41 AM
Do you know how to google?
Anyway, here's a link http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/05/140507-birds-migration-electromagnetic-robins-henrik-mouritsen-science-broadband/

Do you know the courtesy of including a link in your post when you discuss something newly published?

K54

klaus54
09-10-2014, 06:46 AM
I was under the impression that the phenomenon of bird migration via Earth's magnetic field was well known. The aluminum cages damp out proximal fields from electronics and wiring so the birds can then avail themselves of Earth's main dipole field.

But I suppose that TS was attempting a funny.

K54

Leonhard
09-10-2014, 07:04 AM
Thank you Truthseeker for supplying that link, its really not that much more effort to give it and saves a lot of time.

And kodus to National Geographic for actually linking to the original Nature article (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v509/n7500/full/nature13290.html), all of this is based upon.

The article itself was an interesting read with the usual cheesy "Scientists, Baffled" headlines. It draws a parallel to cell phones which is specious, as multiple independent studies and large reviews have cleared cellphones of any danger to humans. It does point out an odd thing which was that in the past the birds had also been able to orient themselves, yet back then there was also a background of noise.

For that reason, and the fact that noise level is a hundred thousand times lower than the WHO guidelines, I'm dubious that this result will stand up to scrutiny. There might have been something the researchers didn't control for.

Until I get access to the articles I won't be able to tell if the experiment they performed with the students was properly double blinded. I'll need to get to campus to do that, but at the moment I'm staying elsewhere for a while. I'll let you know what I find.

Sparko
09-10-2014, 07:07 AM
I've been accused of wearing a tinfoil hat. You can imagine how happy I was to see this research being done by Henrik Mouritsen on birds' navigational abilities. He wanted to know why birds navigated so poorly in urban areas while they could do well in rural areas. One day he covered the cages in which he kept his research birds with aluminum foil. Suddenly they could navigate. Conclusion: wearing tinfoil hats might be beneficial. Well, aluminum foil, anyway.

So.... you are admitting to being a tinfoil hat wearing bird-brain?

:outtie:

Leonhard
09-10-2014, 07:14 AM
The article isn't exactly about the magical properties of aluminium foil, it postulates that wrapping the bird cages in grounded faraday cages caused a change in the birds ability to navigate, presumably by shielding out electromagnetic fields in the 50kHz to 5MHz.

If Truthseeker was to apply this to his own life he would have to live in a bubble of tinfoil.

Teallaura
09-10-2014, 08:27 AM
However, you guys just managed to prove that science geeks have no sense of humor...

:no: You need a link to something that was obviously just mentioned to be humorous? Really?

Sparko
09-10-2014, 08:32 AM
The article isn't exactly about the magical properties of aluminium foil, it postulates that wrapping the bird cages in grounded faraday cages caused a change in the birds ability to navigate, presumably by shielding out electromagnetic fields in the 50kHz to 5MHz.

If Truthseeker was to apply this to his own life he would have to live in a bubble of tinfoil.

I am sure his basement room is wallpapered in the stuff.

http://cdn.cstatic.net/cache/gallery/6047/6261179311_dd678c51e3_o.jpg

rogue06
09-10-2014, 09:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFNO2sSW-mU

Teallaura
09-10-2014, 09:22 AM
I am sure his basement room is wallpapered in the stuff.

http://cdn.cstatic.net/cache/gallery/6047/6261179311_dd678c51e3_o.jpg


That's your kitchen, Sparky... :no:

Truthseeker
09-10-2014, 09:25 AM
However, you guys just managed to prove that science geeks have no sense of humor...

:no: You need a link to something that was obviously just mentioned to be humorous? Really?
In retrospect, I agree I should have provided a link.

Truthseeker
09-10-2014, 09:26 AM
I am sure his basement room is wallpapered in the stuff.

http://cdn.cstatic.net/cache/gallery/6047/6261179311_dd678c51e3_o.jpgCrawl space under the house, but anyway no tinfoil or aluminum foil. Once more you've been foiled.

Sparko
09-10-2014, 09:37 AM
That's your kitchen, Sparky... :no:Ha! I use modern materials like super conductors to shield my house!

rogue06
09-10-2014, 09:38 AM
That's your kitchen, Sparky... :no:
Sparko's "kitchen" is whichever closet he has a burning can of sterno in. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Teallaura
09-10-2014, 09:38 AM
Ha! I use modern materials like super conductors to shield my house!
Only on the outside...

:tongue:

Teallaura
09-10-2014, 09:40 AM
Sparko's "kitchen" is whichever closet he has a burning can of sterno in. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
:yes: Just because the house came with a kitchen doesn't mean he uses it that way - which is why it's wrapped in tinfoil.

And his cooking habits are why we installed a range hood in each of his closets. :sigh:

Teallaura
09-10-2014, 09:44 AM
In retrospect, I agree I should have provided a link.
Actually, so do I - but they were making an issue over a non-issue in this instance. You were obviously going for the humor, not a discussion of the merits of the study. Context matters and so does being reasonable - which the 'ack, no link' thing wasn't. It was a minor lapse in this instance and treated as if it were important - which was my only issue with it. Next time, give the silly link. :wink:

Sparko
09-10-2014, 09:44 AM
Only on the outside...

:tongue:

Better than relying on 200 cats to protect me from aliens like you do.

rogue06
09-10-2014, 10:10 AM
Better than relying on 200 cats to protect me from aliens like you do.
Only 200 now? Wow, she has really scaled back. That used to be the per room count not to mention the half a dozen herds surrounding the house.

Teallaura
09-10-2014, 10:15 AM
Better than relying on 200 cats to protect me from aliens like you do.
You still can't count.

And I'm not the one with 1-800-abductedbyUFO on speed dial... :rasberry:

Sparko
09-10-2014, 10:21 AM
You still can't count.

And I'm not the one with 1-800-abductedbyUFO on speed dial... :rasberry:

Sorry. I left off a couple of zeros at the end of 200. And I meant "dozens" instead of individual cats.

rogue06
09-10-2014, 11:00 AM
And I'm not the one with 1-800-abductedbyUFO on speed dial... :rasberry:
They're the only ones who'll still listen to his "Someone-took-my-bacon-rants" after 911 put a call block on him.

Sparko
09-10-2014, 11:11 AM
Why would anyone want to take a bacon rant?

Teallaura
09-10-2014, 11:46 AM
They're the only ones who'll still listen to his "Someone-took-my-bacon-rants" after 911 put a call block on him.


That's because he had all those 'abduction' experiences. By the way, Astra wants her Roswell Souvenir Alien mask back...

HMS_Beagle
09-10-2014, 12:46 PM
The truth is out there... :eek:

http://wordsbycat.com/sites/wordsbycat.com/files/images/tinfoilhat.jpg

Teallaura
09-10-2014, 12:56 PM
:rofl:

klaus54
09-10-2014, 01:31 PM
Actually, so do I - but they were making an issue over a non-issue in this instance. You were obviously going for the humor, not a discussion of the merits of the study. Context matters and so does being reasonable - which the 'ack, no link' thing wasn't. It was a minor lapse in this instance and treated as if it were important - which was my only issue with it. Next time, give the silly link. :wink:

In all fairness, it's difficult to tell whether TS is joking or not. Kinda like a Poe.

K54

Cerebrum123
09-10-2014, 02:03 PM
Better than relying on 200 cats to protect me from aliens like you do.

That's nonsense, the cats are the aliens.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTByn0k9UIBxX18WvWZjOpB2ALvK4QE-ApzP1clW3htyoQ-Hcg0

rogue06
09-10-2014, 03:08 PM
That's because he had all those 'abduction' experiences. By the way, Astra wants her Roswell Souvenir Alien mask back...
http://www.smilieicons.com/smiley/emoticons/Activities/shhh-emoticon.gif

I have no idea what you are talking about :innocent:

Truthseeker
09-10-2014, 03:39 PM
Evidence is in: Except Leonhard's relevant post, Phank's, Klaus', and the OP, the posts here appear to be written by people secretly driven bonkers by aliens. I await Leonhard's critique.

HMS_Beagle
09-10-2014, 04:18 PM
Evidence is in: Except Leonhard's relevant post, Phank's, Klaus', and the OP, the posts here appear to be written by people secretly driven bonkers by aliens. I await Leonhard's critique.

For most of us it's not a drive, it's a short walk. :teeth:

Darth Executor
09-10-2014, 04:25 PM
Do you know how to google?

Do you have any manners whatsoever you troglodyte? When discussing a news item it's common courtesy to post a link to it.

Sparko
09-11-2014, 06:19 AM
Do you have any manners whatsoever you troglodyte? When discussing a news item it's common courtesy to post a link to it.

but if he used google, then the goobermint could track him! And force him to eat GMO jello.

Teallaura
09-11-2014, 07:31 AM
Do you have any manners whatsoever you troglodyte? When discussing a news item it's common courtesy to post a link to it.
Read the whole thread - he already said he should have posted the link. :brood:

Truthseeker
09-11-2014, 04:12 PM
but if he used google, then the goobermint could track him! And force him to eat GMO jello.Wow! The gummit couldn't track my TWeb posts? :hrm:

Truthseeker
09-11-2014, 04:14 PM
In all fairness, it's difficult to tell whether TS is joking or not. Kinda like a Poe.

K54My full name is Truth Seeker Poe.

Sparko
09-12-2014, 05:09 AM
Wow! The gummit couldn't track my TWeb posts? :hrm:

Why would we need to track them? This is the government.