Just so anyone knows the latest, Mike Licona put this up recently. http://www.risenjesus.com/speaking-e...moved-web-site
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHe sounds desperate.
Is there anyone he hasn't alienated yet?
Then again, if he is spreading lies to harm Mike's business and reputation, that is slander and could probably be a basis for a lawsuit.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I'm not defending Geisler's behavior, assuming that what is said on the website is true, but I question whether posting the stuff about Geisler is the best and Biblical way to handle it. I assume Licona has confronted Geisler directly, but why publicly post what Geisler has done to others? I see 1 Cor 6:6 as implying that if/when there are disputes among believers, we shouldn't be airing them publicly.
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I suspect Mike has had to do this because enough people have asked about this. Furthermore, the first one to bring this public was in fact Geisler who took a matter that should have been handled in academic circles and made it public. Since then, he has been going after Mike full throttle, even causing him to lose his livelihood. Since the offense is public, the correction needs to be public.
Also, it's a bit problematic to say bad behavior among Christians should not be stated publicly since first off, we are to mark those who cause division among ourselves, and second, 1 Corinthians like other epistles is a letter that would have been read publicly and in it, Paul denounces the behavior of other beliefs. Paul also publicly confronted Peter as he recalls in Galatians 2.
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James White confirms having been on the receiving end of similar behaviour from Geisler.
https://www.facebook.com/prosapologi...36736533017867
Originally posted by James WhiteSo let me confirm Mike Licona's experience here:
http://www.risenjesus.com/speaking-e...moved-web-site
There is one particular national program that I used to be on regularly back in the 1990s...had a great time with the host, did good, fast-paced programs. Then I wrote The Potter's Freedom. And I have never gotten a phone call since then. I know what happened. Geisler and his cadre (a powerful group, believe you me) are unrelenting. But note what is said in that link: Habermas and Copan were removed from teaching at Veritas Seminary? I did not know that. But what is so amazing is that if you go to the Veritas website ( http://www.veritasseminary.com/adjunct-faculty/ ) look at the second person listed: Ergun Caner. Gotta love Pravda Seminary: disagree with Geisler on anything, and BAM, you are gone. Make up a story about your life as a jihadi and growing up in "majority Muslim countries" (when you grew up in Ohio) and yet *remain faithful to Norm,* well...cinnamon Cheerios! All is well.Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
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The more Geisler does, the more I am baffled that anyone continues to listen to him.
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Originally posted by thewriteranon View PostThe more Geisler does, the more I am baffled that anyone continues to listen to him.
For example, one of my friends (who runs an apologetics ministry) received his education at Southern Evangelical Seminary where he was able to meet and learn under Geisler, directly. As a result, my friend has always had quite a bit of respect for the man. He certainly isn't happy about the feud between Geisler and Licona-- especially considering that he's also a big fan of Licona's work-- but he still has a lot of love for his old mentor."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostI used to attend SES as well and I used to study under Geisler. Today, I have zero respect for him. I sold all the Geisler books that I could. I would prefer to find the academic work elsewhere. I have no wish to support him in any way whatsoever.
For example, my parents and numerous friends from the Church which I used to attend have Geisler's books and recommend him wholeheartedly but they had no idea that Geisler was acting in this manner until I told them. The average Christian, unfortunately, has no idea what is going on in the world of scholarship. They only know that Geisler has been considered an authority for decades."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View Post
For example, my parents and numerous friends from the Church which I used to attend have Geisler's books and recommend him wholeheartedly but they had no idea that Geisler was acting in this manner until I told them. The average Christian, unfortunately, has no idea what is going on in the world of scholarship. They only know that Geisler has been considered an authority for decades.
Pretty sad.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYep, I agree with that. Geisler lives off his reputation. People don't follow the controversies he creates and not many people have heard of Licona or the other people he attacks. At my church, most people think of Geisler as some famous apologist who writes books that they sell in the book store. And that is basically all they know.
Pretty sad.That's what
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostI can certainly understand and respect that. I'm just noting that I also understand why someone might still respect Geisler despite his reprehensible actions. On top of that, the average churchgoer probably has no idea about any of the things Geisler has done to Licona or White or other people with whom he has disagreed, and only know about him by the recommendation of their pastor or an apologist.
For example, my parents and numerous friends from the Church which I used to attend have Geisler's books and recommend him wholeheartedly but they had no idea that Geisler was acting in this manner until I told them. The average Christian, unfortunately, has no idea what is going on in the world of scholarship. They only know that Geisler has been considered an authority for decades.
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