question-jpholding

[Justme]

I came across a thead you started in 'Coach's corner' ? whatever. I tried to post this there, but it didn't work, so I'll copy my post to this forum.

You were talking to Steve about the spiritual-physical body thing. 1 Cor 15

Hi jpholding,

This is a big issue on net forums for some reason.

There seems to be billions of of ideas about this and I am totally confused.

I see from other threads that many agree with what you think so can you spell out exactly what this physical resurrection is to establish a 'here it is' line to work from.

Meaning there are two kinds of bodies in the 1 Cor 15, the natural and the spiritual. When does one end and the other begin ?

I guess to really clear it up for me, what was the body of Mother Teresa on the morning of the day she died?

I am totally lost in this glorified/no-dust/whatever people talk about.

Justme

[$cirisme]

FYI: The Coach's Quarters is for challenging people to a moderated debate. And because of that, the post did get posted, but it needs to be approved by a moderator, first.

[Justme]

Hi,

Gotcha, thanks,

Justme

[Dee Dee Warren]

And I think I didn't approve it because the Coach's quarter is simply to negotiate debates... discussions are in the general forum jsut as you have now done :thumb:

[Justme]

Hi everybody,

I looked through a link from jpholdings signature and found some stuff on the resurrection body. In this article jp was discussing whether Jesus had a physical body after He left the tomb.

This is a nice topic to deal with because we can go on for days with the sutleties of different verses and eventually debaters on both sides of the issue can privately declare themselves victorious.
That isn't what I'm after, I want to know what kind of body mankind is resurrected in/with/on/connected to/whatever. Not Jesus, and not Job, those are special cases, I want to know about the standard ordinary guy/gal next door.

I would like to use an actual person everybody knows, that's why I suggested Mother Teresa.

It seems Mr. holding is busy so does anyone want to tackle this thing or link me up to articles even.
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Thanks
Justme

[papabryant]

Today @ 11:56 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=88919#post88919)
Justme:


It seems Mr. holding is busy so does anyone want to tackle this thing or link me up to articles even.



The best thing I could do is to refer you to the book "Battle for the Resurrection" by Norman Geisler.

In the book Geisler makes it clear that the apostles preached that the resurrection body would be physical in nature, in keeping with Jewish understanding of the final resurrection. They pointed out that Jesus ate fish, lifted and broke bread with his hands, and was physically touched on separate occasions.

Hope this helps.

Peace, Tom

[Justme]

Hi,

Thanks Tom, I'll see what I can find there.

Justme

[John Reece]

Today @ 07:13 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=89027#post89027)
papabryant:

The best thing I could do is to refer you to the book "Battle for the Resurrection" by Norman Geisler.

In the book Geisler makes it clear that the apostles preached that the resurrection body would be physical in nature, in keeping with Jewish understanding of the final resurrection. They pointed out that Jesus ate fish, lifted and broke bread with his hands, and was physically touched on separate occasions.

Hope this helps.

Peace, Tom

Does Geisler comment on these statements made by Paul?

1 Corinthians 15

37 And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain.
42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. 43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.44 It is sown a natural body (σωμα ψυχικον); it is raised a spiritual body (σωμα πνευματικον. If there is a natural body ( σωμα ψυχικον), there is also a spiritual body. (σωμα πνευματικον).

[Dee Dee Warren]

Yes I believe he does. I have the book and several others like it.

[papabryant]

Today @ 02:57 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=89082#post89082)
John Reece:



Does Geisler comment on these statements made by Paul?

1 Corinthians 15

37 And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain.
42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. 43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.44 It is sown a natural body (σωμα ψυχικον); it is raised a spiritual body (σωμα πνευματικον. If there is a natural body ( σωμα ψυχικον), there is also a spiritual body. (σωμα πνευματικον).

I believe it does - but I'll double check my copy when I get home tonight.

Peace, Tom

[John Reece]

Thanks, Dee Dee and Tom.

[jpholding]

Justme,

Ya gotta send me a note or something. :smile: I don't always get to browse forums.

By the Jewish view ALL men/women got the same thing: a glorified, resurrected body. Some did suggest the damned did not, but they really were not too concerned with what happened to them.

[secretplace]

Hi Justme:

Here are a couple of links you (or anyone else) may find helpful in answering your questions.

The person who wrote these articles is a partial preterist and a very good teacher.


http://mikeblume.com/resurrection.htm

http://mikeblume.com/physres.htm

http://mikeblume.com/1cor15res.htm

Enjoy!

sp

[Dee Dee Warren]

I would caution though that Mr. Blume is a Oneness adherent which is a different heterodox doctrine.