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Cow Poke
01-27-2014, 02:08 PM
First, it's no secret that I think Mormonism is way off the mark, and Smith was a fraud.

HOWEVER!!!!

There are SOME things the Mormons do right, and I would be interested in discussing.

They have LONG AGO begun training their members to be self-sufficient, and to prepare for lean times by storing food, by being frugal, and by being economically responsible.

I would appreciate it if we kept it to a POSITIVE discussion (unless you see a legitimate fault with their system ON THIS TOPIC).

Would any of our Mormon friends like to share their own thoughts or experiences on "prepping before prepping was cool"?

(And I reiterate -- this is one area where I truly agree with a Mormon policy or teaching!)

NRA-Jeff
01-29-2014, 10:03 AM
One observation from my family's experience: If you stock up on a lot canned foods, it's not easy to avoid having some of it outlast its shelf life. There were things that we didn't get around to eating before they had gone bad.

In hindsight, I should have:

--Kept better track of what was soon to expire

--Maybe bought less of the stuff we weren't gonna like enough to eat in time

--Donated more of the soon-to-expire food to a food bank so it could do someone some good

Sparko
01-29-2014, 10:24 AM
I keep a "bug-out" bag - a backpack filled with emergency items. And I have some canned goods and other long life food in case of emergencies. But just enough for about a week.

My backpack has some water, crank radio/light, knives and leatherman tool, batteries, change of clothes and extra shoes (all stored in plastic), some of my meds, first aid kit, dog food for Taz, and a couple of packs of emergency food.

Cow Poke
01-29-2014, 10:36 AM
One observation from my family's experience: If you stock up on a lot canned foods, it's not easy to avoid having some of it outlast its shelf life. There were things that we didn't get around to eating before they had gone bad.

In hindsight, I should have:

--Kept better track of what was soon to expire

--Maybe bought less of the stuff we weren't gonna like enough to eat in time

--Donated more of the soon-to-expire food to a food bank so it could do someone some good

Thanks, Jeff

Would you mind sharing ... how does a new Member come to learn about this? Seriously... is it in some kind of orientation, or lesson, or just fellow Church Members clue them in....

Are there printed guidelines or online resources?

Thanks

NRA-Jeff
01-29-2014, 11:11 AM
Thanks, Jeff

Would you mind sharing ... how does a new Member come to learn about this? Seriously... is it in some kind of orientation, or lesson, or just fellow Church Members clue them in....

Are there printed guidelines or online resources? Thanks

Good questions. There have been pamphlets and a handbook published--"Family Preparedness Manual"--more about overall emergency preparedness than just food storage, but that is Chapter 5--and in the past, we have tried to make sure that every household in the ward received one. We also hold workshops on the subject about every other year, and the Relief Society probably discusses it a lot more frequently. Lately, we have been encouraged to have some ham radio operators in every ward, to help coordinate rescue efforts if a bad disaster occurs that wipes out regular communications.

Here are some resources:

http://survivalcache.com/book-review-lds-preparedness-manual/

https://www.ldsavow.com/PrepManualGeneral.html

and search hits from the church's website,

http://www.lds.org/search?q=Family+preparedness+Manual&domains=all&lang=eng

in case that might be helpful. Let me know if you still have questions.



Oh, and thanks to Sparko for reminding me that I need a stash of my Coreg pills in my bugout bag. It would be bad for me to go more than a day without my antihypertensives.

Sparko
01-29-2014, 11:20 AM
oh yeah, Jeff's comment about Ham radio reminded me. My crank radio has am/fm and noaa weather bands and functions as a CB receiver/transmitter too. Pretty nice.

It even has a cell phone (usb) charger on it.

http://www.amazon.com/Midland-XT511-Two-Way-Emergency-Crank/dp/B000P0O12I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391023085&sr=8-1&keywords=emergency+radio+CB+cell+charger

Cow Poke
01-29-2014, 11:47 AM
Good questions. There have been pamphlets and a handbook published--"Family Preparedness Manual"--more about overall emergency preparedness than just food storage, but that is Chapter 5--and in the past, we have tried to make sure that every household in the ward received one. We also hold workshops on the subject about every other year, and the Relief Society probably discusses it a lot more frequently. Lately, we have been encouraged to have some ham radio operators in every ward, to help coordinate rescue efforts if a bad disaster occurs that wipes out regular communications.

Here are some resources:

http://survivalcache.com/book-review-lds-preparedness-manual/

https://www.ldsavow.com/PrepManualGeneral.html

and search hits from the church's website,

http://www.lds.org/search?q=Family+preparedness+Manual&domains=all&lang=eng

in case that might be helpful. Let me know if you still have questions.



Oh, and thanks to Sparko for reminding me that I need a stash of my Coreg pills in my bugout bag. It would be bad for me to go more than a day without my antihypertensives.

I'm getting kinder and gentler, Jeff... I noticed the links weren't there, but I waited patiently, and LO AND BEHOLD there they are!!!! :joy:

Thanks....

we have a food pantry, and I invested in some of those wireframe -- how do you describe them -- racks where you put the cans of soup in the top, and they roll down until they're filled up with cans, and you take the bottom one out.... It's WAY easier than "rotating stock" manually, and is a pretty dummy-proof "first in first out" system.

I'll look at what you posted, and I may have more questions. :thumb:

NRA-Jeff
01-29-2014, 12:38 PM
I'm getting kinder and gentler, Jeff... I noticed the links weren't there, but I waited patiently, and LO AND BEHOLD there they are!!!! :joy:
Yeah, sorry about that.


we have a food pantry, and I invested in some of those wireframe -- how do you describe them -- racks where you put the cans of soup in the top, and they roll down until they're filled up with cans, and you take the bottom one out.... It's WAY easier than "rotating stock" manually, and is a pretty dummy-proof "first in first out" system.
I wanted those, but my wife said we could build our own for less money, so that's what we did. It took about 20 hours of work, and ours doesn't work as flawlessly as the commercial ones, but it would work fine for us...if we used it like we should. But when we come home from the store with soup or peanut butter or vegetable oil, we don't always go to the trouble of taking it down the basement and loading it into the back of the shelf. So the moral is: A stock rotation system doesn't work so well if you don't actually rotate the stock.


P.S.--Sparko's radio thing looks like a good choice. I had never seen a setup like that before.

Sparko
01-29-2014, 12:44 PM
I have been thinking about storing some money too. But in a financial type disaster, paper money would be worthless. Gold would be better, but gold coins are durn expensive and would be hard to break up for spending. What is a good alternative?

Cow Poke
01-29-2014, 12:59 PM
It even has a cell phone (usb) charger on it.

http://www.amazon.com/Midland-XT511-Two-Way-Emergency-Crank/dp/B000P0O12I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391023085&sr=8-1&keywords=emergency+radio+CB+cell+charger

That's pretty cool -- how many other models had you tried first?

Sparko
01-29-2014, 01:08 PM
That's pretty cool -- how many other models had you tried first?

None, but I read up on them and that one was recommended by a lot of people.

If it only had a bacon griddle built in.... :yummy:

NRA-Jeff
01-30-2014, 11:13 AM
I have been thinking about storing some money too. But in a financial type disaster, paper money would be worthless. Gold would be better, but gold coins are durn expensive and would be hard to break up for spending. What is a good alternative?

I can't believe you need to ask that question. Isn't bacon the obvious answer?

It's valuable

It would be widely accepted

It can easily be broken up into smaller pieces

Sparko
01-30-2014, 11:25 AM
But bacon wouldn't last long enough for me to spend it!

Raphael
01-30-2014, 12:08 PM
The NZ Government has a handy website for disaster preparedness.
http://www.getthru.govt.nz/web/GetThru.nsf
http://www.getthru.govt.nz/web/GetThru.nsf/vwluResources/Emergency_checklist_10/$file/Emergency_checklist_10.pdf

Sparko
01-30-2014, 12:11 PM
The CDC has a nice web page on Zombie preparedness. You never know.

http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm

NRA-Jeff
01-31-2014, 02:58 AM
The CDC has a nice web page on Zombie preparedness. You never know.

http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm


But do we really WANT the zombies to be prepared? :)

David Hayward
01-31-2014, 07:17 AM
My understanding is that a nuclear war would be heralded by one or more nuclear explosions at high level, causing a country-wide electromagnetic pulse sufficient to cause a massive mains electrical spike that should destroy anything connected thereto; and also causing high voltages across any and every conductor, meaning electronics not connected to the mains would also be taken out, even engine management systems and your digital watch. The ordering and distribution systems for food and other supplies would be taken out at a stroke; your employer's payroll system should also go down, likewise debit and credit card readers; and if the banks and financial institutions have not protected well enough -- and I doubt they can have -- your bank balance and life savings will probably vanish without trace.

A light aeroplane might make an excellent low-tech substitute for an ICBM.

None of this will affect zombies.

Sparko
01-31-2014, 07:53 AM
But do we really WANT the zombies to be prepared? :)

It's always better to join the winning side. At least as a zombie you won't have to worry about food or water or first aid kits.

Cow Poke
01-31-2014, 07:56 AM
But do we really WANT the zombies to be prepared? :)

OH, for the AMEN button! :teeth:

Sparko
01-31-2014, 08:07 AM
do a google search for "zombie attack texas"


we obviously can't trust them texans.

Cow Poke
01-31-2014, 08:10 AM
do a google search for "zombie attack texas"


we obviously can't trust them texans.

Google is a pinko commie liberal leftist organization who wishes Texas was part of Mexico, so trust them at your own peril. :glare:

Sparko
01-31-2014, 08:15 AM
Google is a pinko commie liberal leftist organization who wishes Texas was part of Mexico, so trust them at your own peril. :glare:

You are a zombie aren't you?

Cow Poke
01-31-2014, 08:28 AM
You are a zombie aren't you?

I must be, cause all my subscriptions to threads seem to have fallen off. :sad:

Catholicity
02-01-2014, 06:54 PM
Well I gotta hand it to the mormons, they can make some decent potatoes out of some cream of something or other soup and corn flakes. Someone brought some to our baptist dinner.

JB DoulosChristou
02-02-2014, 05:50 AM
Well I gotta hand it to the mormons, they can make some decent potatoes out of some cream of something or other soup and corn flakes. Someone brought some to our baptist dinner.

Did they come to invite you to their barbecue (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0391104/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1)? :whistle:

DesertBerean
06-30-2016, 09:24 AM
A lot of this stuff has been directed at families which I guess is logical. Not much for singles which I imagine would include older people living by themselves. The bug out material would apply to all, but not necessarily, I would think, food supplies. Unless one wants to open a barter system. I've requested the manual.