Bad thoughts against own will.

[Maxell]

Paul speaking in Romans and Galatians, that we do things, what we don't want, and that good what we want we don't do.
This is problem of carnal man.

Is this same case, what i fight sometimes, that some bad thoughts come my mind, when i speaking someone, and i thought them same time, but really don't want. These are very horribly sometimes, when something that blashemes Holy Spirit comes your mind and you thought it, then you have great guilty and you say God i never want to say that about you, never.

What God thinks about these thoughts, which come against will, do he judge them? Or Is He forgives them all the time.

Sometimes it's hard, because you can even feel, that you also want to thought something bad against God. But that is just second and then you can thought clear that you don't want.

Is this what i should expect when live in Christian, won't it never stop before i dead. In past i thought there is demon inside of me, but nobody ever found it when they pray for me. I have heard that other people have samekind of fights, but others say that they don't experince that kind of fight.
I feel that my faith is alltime struggle, sometimes bad thoughts and guilty because them, sometimes bad mistrust against God.

Anyone have same experiences in here?

Below bible verses give me some comfort.

Romans 7:
15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

Gal 5:
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

[lee_merrill]

Hi Maxell,

Is this same case, what i fight sometimes, that some bad thoughts come my mind, when i speaking someone, and i thought them same time, but really don't want. These are very horribly sometimes, when something that blashemes Holy Spirit comes your mind and you thought it, then you have great guilty and you say God i never want to say that about you, never. I have had that, too, terrible, blasphemous thoughts, almost continuously for about seven years.

What God thinks about these thoughts, which come against will, do he judge them? Or Is He forgives them all the time.[/QUOTE}

I think they are temptations, not sins, if you are resisting them.

[QUOTE]Sometimes it's hard, because you can even feel, that you also want to thought something bad against God. But that is just second and then you can thought clear that you don't want.[/QUOTE}

Yes, under such pressure, sometimes I didn't hold up well, either. So I confessed my sin to God, and he forgave me.

[QUOTE]Is this what i should expect when live in Christian, won't it never stop before i dead. This year it stopped for me! So I'm thankful, but it was nothing I did differently, I just suddenly realized that the radio had been turned off. "Where's that pesky announcer?" All gone. So be encouraged! Temptation is only to do us good, may the Lord give you strength while it lasts, until he gives deliverance.

It is difficult not knowing how long it will last, though...

In past i thought there is demon inside of me, but nobody ever found it when they pray for me. I have heard that other people have samekind of fights, but others say that they don't experince that kind of fight. I had someone try to cast a demon out of me, too. I do think what I experienced was demonic oppression, and I announced and pronounced and renounced, all with no lasting effect. I played worship music, prayed and fasted, well, my job, I think, was to be patient, and look to the Lord each moment.

Not everyone has such a struggle! But God gives us what we each need, in order to become more like Christ.

I feel that my faith is alltime struggle, sometimes bad thoughts and guilty because them, sometimes bad mistrust against God. You shouldn't feel guilty about a bad thought popping into your head, "You can't stop the birds from flying over your head, but you can stop them from building a nest in your hair," as I have heard it said...

Anyone have same experiences in here?
Yes.

Below bible verses give me some comfort. Those are good verses, Psalm 13 was a help to me, too...

1 How long, O Lord ? Will you forget me forever?
How long will you hide your face from me?
2 How long must I wrestle with my thoughts
and every day have sorrow in my heart?
How long will my enemy triumph over me?

3 Look on me and answer, O Lord my God.
Give light to my eyes, or I will sleep in death;
4 my enemy will say, "I have overcome him,"
and my foes will rejoice when I fall.

5 But I trust in your unfailing love;
my heart rejoices in your salvation.
6 I will sing to the Lord ,
for he has been good to me.

"Has been good to me," here, even these temptations and struggles, did me good...

May the Lord give you grace and peace, and help you keep your eyes on him...

God bless you,
Lee

[tizzidale]

I would just like to point out that everything that pops in our heads in not necessarily from us. We do have an enemy that consistently tries to destroy us, and one of his favorite lines of attack is through the thoughts. The Orthodox Fathers teach us that the thoughts (logismoi) can be an "onslaught , as a flowing river, which, through assent to sin, is transformed into a deluge that drowns the heart." (St. Gregory of Sinai)

It is important to realize that this "flowing river" is a combination of the enemy's action and our own passions and memories. It is the job of the soldier of Christ to persecute the passions - to separate them from such memories. This is not an easy battle, but one in which we are already made victorious.

There is a good article from an Orthodox perspective on this subject here (http://www.pelagia.org/htm/b02.en.orthodox_psychotherapy.03.htm#th). I'm reading it myself, and I know very little, so make sure you don't take my words as gospel.

rusty