Jesus = Hey, Zeus??

[jpholding]

OK,

You scholars will start laughing at this, and I do too, but I have had inquiries about this and need a succinct answer. Basically, how do we get from the Hebrew "Yeshua" to the English "Jesus"?

I have had letters like this one:

I'm not so much speaking of the person of Christ but rather the grammatical error in translating the Hebrew letter "a" (Yashu"a" [ayin]) to the letter "s" in the Greek, which is unprecendented in any other Hebrew/Aramaic name that ends in "a" (ayin). It is to translated with a "u" or the Greek Iesou rather than Iesous. This brings in the possibility of Roman Hellenistic influence and influx.

And similar odd stuff, like yes, "Jesus" is "Hey Zeus"! So an etymology would be appreciated and parallel examples of names that developed the same way.

[Jaltus]

The Greek form of the name is "Iasous," with the "os" ending to make it declinable. The "ia" got changed to "Je" in order to make it pronouncable for Germans (who have no soft J sound) and we English speakers turned it into a J sound.

Thus, Jesus, based on the Greek pronunciation, with a bit of German thrown in.

[jpholding]

Thank you, Jaltus. Can you give an example of another Hebrew name ending is -ua that was rendered as a -us in Greek?

[GrayPilgrim]

Elijah (Eliyahu)=Elias

[Socrates]

I thought that Jesus was ιησους = Ièsous. But this is just a normal rendition of Hebrew masculine names into Greek. Isaiah = Yeshayahu = Esaias, Judah = Yehudah = Judas, Uzziah = Uzziyahu = Ozias, Hezekiah = Chizqiyahu = Ezekias.

All this trouble making is by Gentile wanna-be Jews in the so-called "Jewish roots movement". They deny the divine inspiration of the Greek New Testament, and are usually anti-Trinitarian.

[jpholding]

Thanks ya'll. :thumb:

[greyphilosophy]

I still get confused on this because I think I've seen Yeshua translated to Joshua. Is Joshua and Jesus the same name in origin?

[Socrates]

JPH quotes a flake (with disapproval):It is to translated with a "u" or the Greek Iesou rather than Iesous. That would be silly, because Iesou is the normal genitive of the name.

[John Reece]

Today @ 09:47 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=95067#post95067)
greyphilosophy:

I still get confused on this because I think I've seen Yeshua translated to Joshua. Is Joshua and Jesus the same name in origin?

Yes. In the LXX (Greek version of the Hebrew Bible), Joshua = Jesus. Let me know if you want to see the names in Hebrew and Greek.

[BurntOffering]

Jaltus:

The Greek form of the name is "Iasous," with the "os" ending to make it declinable. The "ia" got changed to "Je" in order to make it pronouncable for Germans (who have no soft J sound) and we English speakers turned it into a J sound.

Thus, Jesus, based on the Greek pronunciation, with a bit of German thrown in.


Well I believe when a person says "Hey Zeus" they are speaking to Jesus in Greek, Spanish and in their Native tongue but as a form of Pig Latin of "many" freeborn citizens in the American Legion. So although some folk prefer to speak the Kings English, and boo hiss the Slang, found Im sure it will come as a Snare upon the whole world, when they finally Comprehend there just is One GOD. But that S/He is actually a Female God(dess) like Diana, Hera, Hectate and Hebe. So as the Queen of Heaven very much like SHeba as the Queen of the South. But thats this is why Jesus Christ himself, said to call HER our Fat HER who art in Heaven. :poke: :rofl: :lmbo:


Peace out

[Waterrock]

JPHolding,

We get from the Hebrew "Yeshua" to the English "Jesus" by going through the Greek "Ihsous" and the Latin "Iesu."

"Yeshua" was the Hebrew for "God saves ~~ YAH-shua, in which the YAH represents the first part of God's sacred Name. "Ihsous" is the Greek equivalent. It was not a particularly rare name; the name "Joshua" is the same Hebrew name (with "J" substituted for "Y"), with the same Greek equivalent.

I'm not sure about the particular shift from "a" to "s" but I think it was essentially a matter of the way Greek works.

About the "Jesus = Hey, Zeus" balderdash: I'd ask why anyone would be using the word "Hey" back when the English word "Jesus" was first written down. I'd also point out that it's inevitable that just about anyone's name is bound to sound similar to the name of /some/ Greek or Roman deity in some way. And, "Jesus" was essentially Latin before it was Greek, and in Latin, Zeus is Deus.

Yours in Christ,

Waterrock

[Waterrock]

Oops; I meant, in that closing sentence, ""Jesus" was essentially Latin before it was Greek."

Waterrock

[Waterrock]

Oops; I meant, in that closing sentence, ""Jesus" was essentially Latin before it was English."

Waterrock

[semmie]

jpholding:

OK,

You scholars will start laughing at this, and I do too, but I have had inquiries about this and need a succinct answer. Basically, how do we get from the Hebrew "Yeshua" to the English "Jesus"?

I have had letters like this one:

I'm not so much speaking of the person of Christ but rather the grammatical error in translating the Hebrew letter "a" (Yashu"a" [ayin]) to the letter "s" in the Greek, which is unprecendented in any other Hebrew/Aramaic name that ends in "a" (ayin). It is to translated with a "u" or the Greek Iesou rather than Iesous. This brings in the possibility of Roman Hellenistic influence and influx.

And similar odd stuff, like yes, "Jesus" is "Hey Zeus"! So an etymology would be appreciated and parallel examples of names that developed the same way.

hey...i just want to point out that, like, i'm proud to say...i asked jph about this a LONG time ago (like, before i even knew Tweb existed).....and his answer was quite sufficient.

moo,
~sarah

[Okieshowedem]

To all who want a Hebrew Messiah.
Run like hell from the Greek pagan substitute with a Greek name zeus.
This is the false savior all the Hebrew prophets and apostles of the Real Messiah warned you was coming.



Okieshowedem

[Xavier]

Reading not your strong suit, I take it?

[Conductor42]

Reading not your strong suit, I take it?

His type is the type that makes me really despise Messianics. I understand that most Messianics are good people, but he ticks me off. He's a liar & a deciever.

He claims that an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi who died in 1105 pronounced God's name as "Yahweh", despite the fact that scholars hadn't suggested that suggestion yet, and despite the fact that Orthodox Judaism views it as a SIN to pronounce the name.

http://theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1819746&postcount=3

He spouts off all this rhetoric about knowing the Hebrew language, but can't answer what could very well be the simplest question there is in the hebrew language:

http://theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1819727&postcount=2

Further proof of his ignorance is here:

http://theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1819822&postcount=6

Where he mistakes the meaning of my name as being "foundation" of God, when it is "fire" of God. He probably just pulled it off of some inaccurate site with (incorrect) meanings of names.

People like him are the reasons that religous Jews created Anti-Missionary organizations, because they are liars down to the very center of their souls.