Over the years there has been no end to atheistic philosophers developing ethical systems. Some being very good and involved. This is interesting - if they didn't already believe there was something deeply wrong or out of sorts why even attempt to develop such systems? I find it strange, that they find human behavior strange or in need of reform. They don't find it equally upsetting when a lion kills and eats a gazelle, or who one group of chimpanzees slaughters all the males in another group and take their females and territory. We say that is just nature working herself out. But how, for instance, is the Rape of Nanking any different in kind? The second problem is that it is not difficult to invent an ethical system - the problem has always been getting men to follow them. I mean my goodness, if all men followed the simple, easily understood, golden rule, from their heart, we would have heaven on earth tomorrow. But men don't, or only to a limited degree. These atheistic ethical systems are running headlong into human nature - which brings us back to the question - why do they find these very natural behaviors so objectionable? And why don't they apply this same moral outrage to the rest of nature? In a godless universe are we not too just animals doing what animals do?
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3sTags: None
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Originally posted by seer View PostOver the years there has been no end to atheistic philosophers developing ethical systems. Some being very good and involved. This is interesting - if they didn't already believe there was something deeply wrong or out of sorts why even attempt to develop such systems? I find it strange, that they find human behavior strange or in need of reform. They don't find it equally upsetting when a lion kills and eats a gazelle, or who one group of chimpanzees slaughters all the males in another group and take their females and territory. We say that is just nature working herself out. But how, for instance, is the Rape of Nanking any different in kind? The second problem is that it is not difficult to invent an ethical system - the problem has always been getting men to follow them. I mean my goodness, if all men followed the simple, easily understood, golden rule, from their heart, we would have heaven on earth tomorrow. But men don't, or only to a limited degree. These atheistic ethical systems are running headlong into human nature - which brings us back to the question - why do they find these very natural behaviors so objectionable? And why don't they apply this same moral outrage to the rest of nature? In a godless universe are we not too just animals doing what animals do?
Yet another admission that you'd lose your mind if you found out God didn't exist. Admitting that you'd do whatever you please without an eternal governor isn't helping your case.
ETA: Would you be willing to concede our actual animal nature complicates the discussion a tad? We are really animals, which is probably why have have such a profound connection with them. Consider dogs, for example.Last edited by whag; 11-16-2014, 12:43 PM.
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Originally posted by whag View PostYet another admission that you'd lose your mind if you found out God didn't exist. Admitting that you'd do whatever you please without an eternal governor isn't helping your case.
ETA: Would you be willing to concede our actual animal nature complicates the discussion a tad? We are really animals, which is probably why have have such a profound connection with them. Consider dogs, for example.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by whag View PostYet another admission that you'd lose your mind if you found out God didn't exist. Admitting that you'd do whatever you please without an eternal governor isn't helping your case.O Gladsome Light of the Holy Glory of the Immortal Father, Heavenly, Holy, Blessed Jesus Christ! Now that we have come to the setting of the sun and behold the light of evening, we praise God Father, Son and Holy Spirit. For meet it is at all times to worship Thee with voices of praise. O Son of God and Giver of Life, therefore all the world doth glorify Thee.
A neat video of dead languages!
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Originally posted by Kelp(p) View PostI wouldn't lose my mind if God didn't exist. I might go to a hooker once in a while because I'm really bad with women, but that's about it
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostSome animals are social animals. Social population groups with behaviours we would characterise as 'ethical' are more likely to be successful. Add to that the human facility for reason and abstraction and an ethical philosophy based on principle becomes possible.
It seems like in a town full of many moral people and one thief, in would be in the best interests of the thief to publicly encourage morality so as to make a competitionless "gangsta's paradise," for himself in which he can fleece the sheep as much as he wants under cover of darkness.O Gladsome Light of the Holy Glory of the Immortal Father, Heavenly, Holy, Blessed Jesus Christ! Now that we have come to the setting of the sun and behold the light of evening, we praise God Father, Son and Holy Spirit. For meet it is at all times to worship Thee with voices of praise. O Son of God and Giver of Life, therefore all the world doth glorify Thee.
A neat video of dead languages!
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You've changed your faith tag from Agnostic to Agnostic Theist to Christian (Unorthodox) in the span of about a week, Kelp. Has to be record time for fastest conversions ever.Last edited by fm93; 11-17-2014, 01:22 AM.Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostSome animals are social animals. Social population groups with behaviours we would characterise as 'ethical' are more likely to be successful.
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Originally posted by square_peg View PostYou've changed your faith tag from Agnostic to Agnostic Theist to Christian (Unorthodox) in the span of about a week, Kelp. Has to be record time for fastest conversions ever.
I'd been a Christian all my life prior and only in the past couple of years had I been having doubts so serious that I didn't consider myself part of the faith anymore. Looks like those have ebbed for now at least.O Gladsome Light of the Holy Glory of the Immortal Father, Heavenly, Holy, Blessed Jesus Christ! Now that we have come to the setting of the sun and behold the light of evening, we praise God Father, Son and Holy Spirit. For meet it is at all times to worship Thee with voices of praise. O Son of God and Giver of Life, therefore all the world doth glorify Thee.
A neat video of dead languages!
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostIt is also true that populations that practice altruism and sharing do better. Behaviour is more complex than 'either/or'.
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostIndeed. So wouldn't you agree the evidence suggests that altruism within the population and conquering other populations is the best way to go?
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostNot necessarily. Like I say I think it's complex. I also think that in today's global society that conquering tends to not go so well.
Some animals are social animals. Social population groups with behaviours we would characterise as 'ethical' are more likely to be successful. Add to that the human facility for reason and abstraction and an ethical philosophy based on principle becomes possible.
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Originally posted by whag View PostThat's sweet. Seer, on the other hand, would go Nanking. He sees a correlation between animal predation and mass murder.Last edited by seer; 11-17-2014, 08:08 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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