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tate4242

January 7th 2005, 03:41 PM

Shalom Everybody,

I haven't been here in quite a while but I think that you will enjoy this writing. I find this idea fascinating that the rapture of the church may be the ultimate fulfillment of Rosh HaShanah. I didn't even believe in the rapture until my mind has been opened to it over these past two years. The implications of this are truly huge.

http://www.almightywind.com/prophecy/proph76.htm
BELOVED BRIDE OF YAHSHUA, ARISE AND PREPARE YOURSELF, FOR YOUR GROOM DOTH COME!

Remember Beloved, even the 5 foolish virgins (http://www.almightywind.com/prophecy/fivewisevirgins.htm) knew the Bridegroom was coming but were caught unprepared! The Parable that is spoken shows the 5 foolish Virgins that did not have the anointing and watched and waited with those with the anointing to know when the BRIDE'S GROOM would come. This Parable also shows how I warn the 5 foolish virgins that thought the anointing of the BRIDE could be bought with money, that it is not for sale and the BRIDE KNOWS THIS, and mocks those who think YAHVEH'S GIFTS ARE FOR SALE!

When the 5 foolish Virgins returned, the BRIDEGROOM and the BRIDE had eloped. When they pounded on Heaven's doors to be let in with the GROOM and BRIDE, they were sent away weeping as the GROOM SAID, "DEPART FROM ME, I NEVER KNEW YOU!" Not every one is fit to be the Bride; there are stiff qualifications. And the 5 foolish I recognized not as MY BRIDE. However, I leave them a warning and that is the 5 foolish Virgins know not when I SHALL RETURN for the GUESTS, and they had better be ready unless I, YAHSHUA, THE MESSIAH/ GROOM come again and find the Guests sleeping or without oil in their lamps. (Matthew 25:1-13) (http://www.almightywind.com/hebrewbible/matthew25.htm)

All of the 5 foolish virgins will be tested in the fire of affliction and some will come out as gold. Some will be martyred, some will remain, and some will with ME be caught away. Some of The 5 foolish virgins are guests and were not found fit to be THE BRIDE of YAHSHUA.

I will not catch MY TRUE BRIDE unaware, for she will hear the Shofar horn blowing and she will awaken to this Cry I shall ring forth from this Ring Maiden of MINE. Remember, satan seeks to go before ME, so do not be fooled by the counterfeit date and woe be unto anyone that calls themselves MY RING MAIDEN besides the one I have anointed, that I use now to speak forth as MY MOUTH PIECE. There will be an anointing that will not be able to be counterfeited when the Angels bring this message so the TRUE BRIDE of YAHSHUA will give birth to an out pouring of an anointing from Heaven like none other thus far. It will be the former and the latter rain anointing put together, combined with the double portion of Elijah anointing. Even your Shadows will heal the GODLY, for MY healing balm of Gilead shall be in MY ENTIRE BRIDE! I spoke audibly to Elisabeth the words years ago: "GIFT OF HEALING, SOUND OF TRUMPET." She never knew the meaning of these words until now. Just as the Shofar Horn is blown at a Jewish Wedding to announce the Groom, so too will I, YAHSHUA, have the Shofar Horn blown to announce MY COMING FOR MY BELOVED BRIDE! Listen for that Shofar Horn, it is not afar off. I prophesied through this ring maiden that I would return again on a Sabbath and I spoke to her, "What IF Rosh HaShanah is the Day I would come, You know not yet which one."

Ted

January 7th 2005, 05:12 PM

tate4242

January 7th 2005, 09:03 PM

Tate,

There is a real problem with this idea. Yom Teruah, the Day of Blowing, is the proper name for Rosh HaShanah. It is popularly known as the Feast of Trumpets. It is the warning of the day of judgment (Yom Kippur) to come. Yom Kippur is the deliverance of God's people, not Yom Teruah.

Ted
Shalom Ted,

Truly an excellent question.

Personally I have wondered if the full meaning of Yom Kippur is the key to the next step in the plan that ABBA Father YHWH has for perhaps universal salvation. I wrote up a web page on this theory a couple of years ago. If I wrote this again now I would make quite a few changes but at least this will serve as an intro to the topic of how YHWH plans to eventually dispose even of the lake of fire. Personally, I think that the Jews understand many things about Yom Kippur that we Christians have absolutely no idea of yet.

http://hometown.aol.com/tate4judaism/myhomepage/faith.html

Ted

January 10th 2005, 03:27 PM

Tate,

Please allow me to expand your comment on the Lake of Fire. It has a clear tabernacle source.

In the tabernacle service, the penitent brought the sacrificial animal. After laying on hands, he “killed the sin” (lit. Hebrew). The blood was drained out (“the life is in the blood”). After the blood was drained, the priest took a bite of the flesh to “bear the sin” for the penitent. That is, the sin was in the flesh, not the blood.

After that, the flesh was burned on the altar. If any part was not to be burned on the altar, it was taken out and burned outside the camp. Put in different words, the sin was burned outside the camp.

What image is presented in Revelation 20? Wicked people are thrown in the lake of fire which is outside the camp. In other words, sin is being burned outside the camp.

Revelation recapitulates Leviticus.

Ted

tate4242

January 12th 2005, 08:35 PM

What image is presented in Revelation 20? Wicked people are thrown in the lake of fire which is outside the camp. In other words, sin is being burned outside the camp.

I recently read a phenomenal writing by Rick Joyner. He is taken in a dream up to the judgment seat of Christ and he relates that as he looks at himself closely he feels as if he had failed in this life just as much as Lucifer himself. This is perhaps the most powerful writing that I have ran into in ten years. It is thirteen pages long but very worthwhile.

http://p079.ezboard.com/fsherbrookevillagefrm12.showMessage?topicID=7.topic

"This really is heaven," I blurted out. "This really is light and truth. How could we who live in such darkness become so proud, thinking that we know so much about God? Lord!" I yelled in the direction of the throne, "Please let me go and carry this light back to earth!"

Immediately the entire host of heaven seemed to stand at attention, and I knew that I was the center of their attention. I felt so insignificant before just one of these glorious ones, but when I knew they were all looking at me, fear came like a tidal wave. I felt that there could be no doom like I was about to experience. I felt like the greatest enemy of the glory and truth that so filled that place. I was too corrupted, I could never properly represent such glory and truth. There was no way that I could in my corruption convey the reality of the glorious place and Presence. I was sure that even Satan had not fallen as far as I had from grace. This is hell I thought. There can be no worse pain than to be as evil as I am and to know that this kind of glory exists. To be banned from here is a torture worse than I ever dreamed. No wonder the demons are so angry and demented, I thought.

I firmly believe that although there are indeed literal fires in gehenna/hell, still the connection between the fire and guilt is obvious.

Terral

January 13th 2005, 03:21 AM

Hi Tate:
Tate >> I haven't been here in quite a while but I think that you will enjoy this writing. I find this idea fascinating that the rapture of the church may be the ultimate fulfillment of Rosh HaShanah. I didn't even believe in the rapture until my mind has been opened to it over these past two years. The implications of this are truly huge.

BELOVED BRIDE OF YAHSHUA, ARISE AND PREPARE YOURSELF, FOR YOUR GROOM DOTH COME!
No sir. The rapture of our mystery church (Eph. 5:32) has nothing whatsoever to do with the first two days of Tishri, or any feast or any other part of Prophecy pertaining to Israel. Before we get into our rapture, let’s clear up the matter over the differences between the Prophetic ‘bride’ (John 3:29) and the Mystery ‘body of Christ.’ Eph. 4:12. John the Baptist (Matt. 3:2), Christ (Matt. 4:17), and the Twelve (Matt. 10:5-7) all preached the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ (Matt. 4:23, 9:35, etc) throughout the Four Gospels to Israel only (Matt. 10:5+6, 15:24). Christ came to ‘fulfill’ Prophecy that Israel was to become a ‘kingdom of priests’ (Ex. 19:6) as the Lord’s ‘holy nation’ and ‘chosen race.’ 1Pet. 2:9. The doctrinal components of the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ are repentance and water baptism for the forgiveness of sins. Mark 1:4, Acts 2:38. Peter, John and James continued to gather the members of the bride throughout their lives with the help people like Philip (Acts 8:12-17) and even Paul (Acts 19:1-6). However, Israel did not recognize John the Baptist as Elijah (Matt. 17:12; from God the Father; John 1:6, 33) and crucified the King (the Son). Pentecost began the ministry of the Holy Spirit, as He began to also gather members to the same ‘bride’ that started under John the Baptist (Acts 1:5) and Christ. To make a long story short, Israel never accepted the ‘gosepl of the kingdom’ from the Twelve and Jerusalem was leveled in 70 Ad. While that gospel was still being offered, God anticipated Israel’s rejection and raised up the Apostle Paul (Acts 9:15) with our gospel for today.

Paul’s ‘my gospel’ (Rom. 2:16, 16:25) for gathering the ‘body of Christ’ (Eph. 4:12) is not the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ of the Four Gospels and Acts. Instead of repentance and water baptism for the forgiveness of sins, we are saved by God’s grace through faith apart from works of any kind. Eph. 2:8+9. Our gospel for today is that Christ died for our sins to be raised on the third day (1Cor. 15:3+4); that our redemption and forgiveness is through His precious blood. Eph. 1:7, Col. 1:14, 20. Peter is gathering the bride of Prophecy through the Gospel of water, and Paul is gathering the body of Mystery through Christ’s blood. Our current ‘His body’ church (Col. 1:24) in the world today shall be ‘caught up’ (1Thes. 4:17) when the day of the Lord is ‘at hand.’ 2Thes. 2:2. That means we are gathered to the Lord the moment that He begins to again start fulfilling Old Testament Prophecy concerning His ‘bride.’ That prophetic program has been on the back burner for the past 2000 years, and shall start again when Elijah comes to restore all things. Matt. 17:10+11. While “Christ’s body” (1Cor. 12:27) is gathered to BEGIN the “day of the Lord,” the ‘bride’ is gathered at the very end (Matt. 24:31) of the same “thousand years” (2Pet. 3:8, Rev. 20:5) “day of the Lord” (Acts 2:17-21, 2Pet. 3:10, etc.).

The important thing to know about our gathering to the Lord (1Thes. 4:17) is that none of the OT prophets were given to see our mystery (1Cor. 15:51) translation to immortality. 1Cor. 15:51-53. Everything that Paul connects to ‘the mystery’ (Eph. 3:3+4) remained hidden in God (Eph. 3:9) until after Calvary. Think about this carefully . . . If Satan had known about our gospel (Rom. 16:25), or mystery church (Eph. 5:32) or our mystery translation (1Cor. 15:51-53), then he most certainly would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 1Cor. 2:6-8. Therefore, you cannot possibly be a member of the Prophetic (Hosea 2:19+20) ‘bride’ (John 3:29) of Christ in the world today. That dispensation will start up again under the ‘late rains’ (James 5:7) under Elijah. If you have heard (Rom. 10:17) and believed (Eph. 1:13+14) our gospel for today, then you are a member of the ‘body of Christ’ awaiting our mystery rapture (1Thes. 4:17) that was not seen by any of the OT prophets. If you are not a member of the body of Christ, by being baptized into Christ and into His death (Rom. 6:3+4, Gal. 3:27), then you are still a Jew under Mosaic Law. Rom. 2:17, 9:1-5, etc.. There is no halfway house for Jews seeking to camp out in anticipation of Elijah coming to begin again to gather the members to the bride. The phrase “Messianic Jew” is a misnomer that simply does not Scripturally apply to anyone living in the world today, as that Kingdom Dispensation must wait on the steward (Elijah) to begin gathering those members. Paul’s Epistles apply directly to the members of the ‘body’ in the world today (1Cor. 14:37+38) the same way that the remainder of the NT is the personal mail to the disciples of the coming Kingdom of God on earth and the restored Kingdom of Israel.

In Christ,

Terral

Ted

January 14th 2005, 10:23 PM

Terral

January 16th 2005, 11:55 PM

Ted:
Ted >> As long as you hold to the false idea that there is more than one gospel, you will never understand anything in the Bible, and definitely will never understand eschatology.
Please feel free to refute anything in my post above from the knowledge derived from your ‘one gospel’ theory. Please head over to the Gospels thread and show us your stuff (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43503 (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43503) ).
Ted >> There is exactly one gospel: Salvation by grace through faith. It goes by different names in different contexts, but is always the same. And there is one set of rewards. Universally, the saints will be redeemed to live with Christ, and the wicked will be destroyed.
This is your argument for your ‘one gospel’ theory from Scripture? Please . . . Christ preached the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ (Matt. 4:23, 9:35) years before He died for anybody. He sent the Twelve out to preach the gospel of the kingdom in Matthew 10:5-7. Are you saying that Christ sent unsaved disciples to preach to the unsaved? Repentance and water baptism for the forgiveness of sins (Mark 1:4, Acts 2:38) are the key precepts for the ‘gospel of the kingdom.’ We are saved today through Paul’s ‘Christ and Him crucified’ (1Cor. 2:2) gospel message that Christ died for our sins and God raised Him from the dead (1Cor. 15:3+4). Our redemption and forgiveness is through His shed blood. Eph. 1:7. Water baptism from the gospel of the kingdom voids the power of the cross to save. 1Cor. 1:17. Go ahead and prove to everybody that this is the ‘gospel of God’ in Mark 1:14. GL.
Ted >> The Bible is completely clear on this, and only one who wishes to find a difference where none exists would ever dispute it.
No sir. This is Ted’s opinion that is based on nothing in Scripture. That an a quarter does not buy very much. I cannot imagine making a post like yours stating my opinion with no Scripture whatsoever. Are you the Messiah or what? Since Paul’s ‘my gospel’ (Rom. 16:25) is according to the ‘revelation of the mystery,’ then nobody knew about it before Calvary. Good luck proving your ‘one gospel’ theory.

In Christ,

Terral

Ted

January 17th 2005, 11:38 AM

Terral,

I didn't try to prove my point, as you note. I did merely assert it. But please allow me to ask a simple question.

Can you define "proleptically?"

Ted

tate4242

February 4th 2005, 08:51 PM

Terral,

As long as you hold to the false idea that there is more than one gospel, you will never understand anything in the Bible, and definitely will never understand eschatology.

There is exactly one gospel: Salvation by grace through faith. It goes by different names in different contexts, but is always the same. And there is one set of rewards. Universally, the saints will be redeemed to live with Christ, and the wicked will be destroyed.

The Bible is completely clear on this, and only one who wishes to find a difference where none exists would ever dispute it.

Ted
Yes, good points, I also believe that there is ultimately one gospel and yes, it is salvation through faith in the blood of Yahshua/Jesus. His is the only name under heaven given to men whereby we must be saved.

On the other hand, Yahshua/Jesus stated that the time would come when He would speak plainly of the Father.
Certainly this statement implies that the New Testament as it is recorded for us is not absolutely comprehensive. It does not clearly answer all possible questions.

John 16:25 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn016.html#25) These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

We are also told that the gospel will be understood perfectly in the latter days. It is obvious from this verse that five hundred years previous to the latter days, the gospel would not be considered perfectly.

Jeremiah 23:20 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jer/Jer023.html#20) The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.

You have to admit that it is nice to consider that there may well be much more to the entire plan of salvation as ordained by ABBA Father YHWH than that a few are saved and go to heaven and that most are unsaved and go to hell?

Matthew 22:14 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat022.html#14) For many are called, but few [are] chosen.

Are we Christians being somewhat like the overly obedient followers of Adolf Hitler if we settle for this plan and do not intercede fervently to ABBA Father YHWH in the name of Yahshua/Jesus to come up with a more humane plan?

John 14:13 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn014.html#13) And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Jhn 14:14 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn014.html#14) If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do [it].

Just as Yahshua/Jesus interceded on our behalf with strong crying and tears, would we intercede to ABBA Father YHWH on behalf of those who do not succeed?

Would it be difficult for ABBA Father YHWH, to recreate November 2, 2004 with each human having no idea that this was actually in the future, that they were in the resurrection mentioned in Revelation 20. Everything looks the same but some of us have been changed from mortal to immortal and we may act as if we are still just human but we are not, we have been changed and the least of us is greater than John the Baptist.

I believe that ABBA YHWH has infinite technological capability and infinite time, so would He recreate a certain time period in order to save more people?

Why not? Recreating the earth would be childs play for Him.

Behold, the nations [are] as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing, (Isaiah 40:15).

TasManOfGod

February 8th 2005, 04:50 PM