The Preterists do not have an answer

[Mickey]

The Lord Jesus Christ makes it plain that at the "end of the age" that a world wide judgment will take place.His disciples asked Him what would be the signs leading up to the "end of the age":

"Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the age?"(MT.24:3).

The preterists close their eyes and "pretend" that the "end of the age" has already taken place.They ignore the words of the Lord Jesus in an earlier parable where He makes it as plain as possible that a judgment will come upon the whole world at the "end of the age".

"Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this age"(Mt.13:36-40).

The preterists have no answer for these words of the Lord Jesus.THey just ignore them in the hope that they will just go away.They also ignore the Lord's words in the Olivet Discourse where He speaks of a world wide judgment:

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth"(Lk.21:32-35).

The Apostle John also describes a world wide judgment that will come upon all those who worship the beast:

"And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world"(Rev.13:7,8).

This is what the "third angel" says in regard to those who will worship the beast:

"And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb"(Rev.14:9,10).

And then later we see the wrath of God come to "the earth" upon those who worship the beast:

"And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image"(Rev.16:1,2).

So the Scriptures declare in no uncertain terms that at the "end of the age" a world wide judgment will take place.There was no world wide judgment in AD 70,but despite that fact the preterists are willing to argue that the "end of the age" has already come and gone.They offer no explanation for all these Scriptual passages that prove that they are wrong.They just close their eyes and "pretend" that these verses do not even exist.

In Christ,

Mickey

[Terral]

Hi Mickey:
Mickey >> The preterists close their eyes and "pretend" that the "end of the age" has already taken place. They ignore the words of the Lord Jesus in an earlier parable where He makes it as plain as possible that a judgment will come upon the whole world at the "end of the age".
Nice work, Mickey. I just posted practically the same work on this thread (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44995&page=4 (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44995&page=4) ) (Post #53). You beat me to the punch, as I was about to post that material as a new thread. The great misconception among the Preterists here appears to be that Christ is describing local events in His discourse of Matthew 24. I also believe they fail to realize that Christ is describing ‘end time’ events relating to the ‘day of the Lord’ (Acts 2:17-21). We know Christ is speaking in context to the ‘day of the Lord,’ because He uses the quote from Joel 2:31 (Acts 2:20) in Matthew 24:29, and the final event just before His coming (Matt. 24:30+31). The best argument I have seen lately connects the prophecy of Zechariah 14:3-7 to Christ’s discourse here in Matthew 24.

“Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle. In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east [ “sitting on the Mount of Olives” Matt. 24:3 ]; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south. You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel; yes, you will flee just as you fled before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD, my God, will come*, and all the holy ones with Him! In that day there will be no light; the luminaries will dwindle. For it will be a unique day which is known to the LORD, neither day nor night, but it will come about that at evening time there will be light*.”
Christ’s question to the Twelve in Matthew 24:2 was not about the Temple, but about ‘all these things.’ “And He said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down.” Matt. 24:2. Christ is describing the events of Zechariah 14 to the Twelve, and not what the Romans did in 70 AD. We know that is fact, because Zechariah continues his prophecy right through to the events of Revelation 21:1+ and New Jerusalem.

“And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun*, because the Lord God will illumine them*; and they will reign forever and ever.”
In Christ,

Terral

[InChristAlways]

Futurists insists that the OT talks about a Worldwide destruction when in fact, it is a City.
Isaiah 24 appears to mention the whole world, but it also mentions Priests, breaking the evelasting convenant (which only Israel appeared to have, not gentile unbelievers), the curse on the "earth",(note curse in malachi against the Priests and in Deut 28), and the people gathered in the City and being shut up in "prison" for punishment.
Ezekiel 22 mentions gathering Israel together in the "mist of Jerusalem" and melting them with fire.
What is ironic about this is Josephus describes Titus sorrounding Jerusalem on the Feast of the Passover, with multitudes of jews gathered from all over, and the City became as a "Prison". This appears to be another "version" of the Great Day of the Lord God Almighty.
Just thought I would bring this up for interest heh. Thanks and God bless.

Isaiah 24:1 Behold, the LORD makes the earth empty and makes it waste, Distorts its surface And scatters abroad its inhabitants(how can inhabitans be scattered abroad if the world is laid waste and empty???). 2 And it shall be: As with the people, so with the priest; As with the servant, so with his master; As with the maid, so with her mistress; As with the buyer, so with the seller; As with the lender, so with the borrower; As with the creditor, so with the debtor. 3 The land shall be entirely emptied and utterly plundered, For the LORD has spoken this word. 4 The earth mourns [and] fades away, The world languishes [and] fades away; The haughty people of the earth languish. 5 The earth is also defiled under its inhabitants, Because they have transgressed the laws, Changed the ordinance, Broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore the curse has devoured the earth, And those who dwell in it are desolate. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, And few men [are] left. 10 The CITY of confusion/Vain/Waste is broken down; Every house is shut up, so that none may go in. 22 They will be gathered together, [As] prisoners are gathered in the pit, And will be shut up in the prison; After many days they will be punished. 23 Then the moon will be disgraced And the sun ashamed; For the LORD of hosts will reign On Mount Zion and in Jerusalem And before His elders, gloriously.

What better time to gather Israel into Jerusalem than on the big feast of the Passover!

ezekiel 22:18 "Son of man, the house of Israel has become dross to Me; they [are] all bronze, tin, iron, and lead, in the midst of a furnace; they have become dross from silver. 19 "Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: 'Because you have all become dross, therefore behold, I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem. 20 '[As men] gather silver, bronze, iron, lead, and tin into the midst of a furnace, to blow fire on it, to melt so I will gather [you] in My anger and in My fury, and I will leave [you there] and melt you. [i]21 'Yes, I will gather you and blow on you with the fire of My wrath, and you shall be melted in its midst. 22 'As silver is melted in the midst of a furnace, so shall you be melted in its midst; then you shall know that I, the LORD, have poured out My fury on you.' "

http://www.davieapostolicchurch.com/studies/destuct/

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover ; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah ! At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival. How suitable and how kind, then, was the prophetic admonition of our LORD, and how clearly he into futurity when he said "Let not them that are in the countries enter into Jerusalem." Luke xxi. 21.

[Terral]

Hi InChrist:
InChrist >> Futurists insists that the OT talks about a Worldwide destruction when in fact, it is a City. Isaiah 24 appears to mention the whole world, but it also mentions Priests, breaking the evelasting convenant (which only Israel appeared to have, not gentile unbelievers), the curse on the "City",(note curse in malachi against the Priests and in Deut 28), and the people gathered in the City and being shut up in "prison" for punishment.
While I am not the thread starter, I am the only other contributing member with a post above yours on this thread. You are making several errors right off the bat, InChrist. I thought they clipped your wings from posting here? Heh. You are being naughty . . . Are you the bad kind of Preterist or what? Next, you did not quote from the OP or my post, and addressed your reply to nobody. Being as Mickey and I are defending the same positions on this thread, then you are seen as attempting to highjack the topic to Isaiah Cityville. The fact that Isaiah mentions a city someplace is not evidence to support any point against any position above, as you are the first person to mention Isaiah. By your own admission in the bottom of paragraph two, you say, “This appears to be another "version" of the Great Day of the Lord God Almighty.” The phrase “Great Day of the Lord” does not even appear in Isaiah, and thus you are already selling an illusion of what appears might be something.

Since Mickey’s post is about what “Preterists do not have an answer” for, then perhaps you would be more inclined to address what he is actually saying, instead of building your own fantasy dream home on his thread.

In Christ,

Terral

[InChristAlways]

Hi Terall,
That was more for third party readers to look at. I could write a whole book just on the great Day of the Lord God being the destruction of Jerusalem.
Anyway, have fun brother LOL.God bless.

Isaiah 27:1 In that day the LORD with His severe sword, great and strong, Will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, Leviathan that twisted serpent; And He will slay the reptile that in the sea. 2 In that day sing to her, "A vineyard of red wine! 3 I, the LORD, keep it, I water it every moment; Lest any hurt it, I keep it night and day. 4 Fury [is] not in Me. Who would set briers [and] thorns Against Me in battle? I would go through them, I would burn them together.
10 Yet the fortified city [will be] desolate, The habitation forsaken and left like a wilderness; There the calf will feed, and there it will lie down And consume its branches. 11 When its boughs are withered, they will be broken off; The women come [and] set them on fire. For it [is] a people of no understanding; Therefore He who made them will not have mercy on them, And He who formed them will show them no favor. 12 And it shall come to pass in that day [That] the LORD will thresh, From the channel of the River to the Brook of Egypt; And you will be gathered one by one, O you children of Israel

Isaiah 43:1 But now, thus says the LORD, who created you, O Jacob, And He who formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called [you] by your name; You [are] Mine. [i]2 When you pass through the waters, I [will be] with you; And through the rivers, they shall not overflow you. When you walk through the fire, you shall not be burned, Nor shall the flame scorch you.

Matt 23:33 "Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? 34 "Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: [some] of them you will kill and crucify, and [some] of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, 35 "that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 "Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

[Xavier]

Let's dissect this argument shall we:
The Lord Jesus Christ makes it plain that at the "end of the age" that a world wide judgment will take place.

This is assertion #1. We will be looking for evidence of this claim as we proceed...

His disciples asked Him what would be the signs leading up to the "end of the age":

"Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the age?"(MT.24:3).

The preterists close their eyes and "pretend" that the "end of the age" has already taken place.They ignore the words of the Lord Jesus in an earlier parable where He makes it as plain as possible that a judgment will come upon the whole world at the "end of the age".

Still nothing but assertion... Wonder if we'll ever get around to an actual exegesis on the "end of the age".

"Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this age"(Mt.13:36-40).

The preterists have no answer for these words of the Lord Jesus.THey just ignore them in the hope that they will just go away.

Still nothing here, Simply more assumption of their view...

They also ignore the Lord's words in the Olivet Discourse where He speaks of a world wide judgment:

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth"(Lk.21:32-35).

And the beat rolls on... :em7:

The Apostle John also describes a world wide judgment that will come upon all those who worship the beast:

"And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world"(Rev.13:7,8).

Okay, finally an "evidence"... Of course, it fails miserablely once you understand the genre of the writing, but hey, don't want to spoil the party all at once.

This is what the "third angel" says in regard to those who will worship the beast:

"And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb"(Rev.14:9,10).

Still nothing here supporting the futurist view, just more reading from within the view.

And then later we see the wrath of God come to "the earth" upon those who worship the beast:

"And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image"(Rev.16:1,2).

Again, on the scant bit of evidence #1.

So the Scriptures declare in no uncertain terms that at the "end of the age" a world wide judgment will take place.There was no world wide judgment in AD 70,but despite that fact the preterists are willing to argue that the "end of the age" has already come and gone.They offer no explanation for all these Scriptual passages that prove that they are wrong.They just close their eyes and "pretend" that these verses do not even exist.

This is amusing, for Mickey cannot seem to tell that he never bothered to prove his case.

Assertion #1: End of Age is Future.
Evidence #1: "Whole World" language in Revelation

The only evidence offered is rebutted by the genre of Revelation. So, it is once again clear, that neither Mickey nor Terral have anything to offer for their position other than mere assertion or mindless reiteration of the same tired "evidences".

Yours,
Xavier

[Mickey]

What is amusing is the fact that despite the evidence contained in the Revelation that a world wide judgment will come at the end of the age Xavier says that that is not evidence.

In other words,he has no use for any Scripture that does not match his eschatology.He reminds me of the following people that Paul makes reference:

"O Timothy,keep that which is committed to thy trust,avoiding vain babblings,and oppositions of science fasely so called,Which some,professing,have erred concerning the faith"(1Tim.6:20,21).

Go back and read Xavier's comments on the Scripture that I posted and you will see a perfect example of "vain babblings".All he does is make non-sense comments in order to attempt to make the Word of God of no effect.

He proves that he is willing to place his total trust in the doctrines invented by man and is willing to deny any inspired Scripture that demonstrates that his ideas are in error.

In Christ,

Mickey

[Chief of Staff Lizard]

For those of you who may be interested:

For my (preterist) response to the OP see this thread (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46023) in the Basket Ball Court.

Also in that thread you will find an excelent futurist response to this same topic given by Bill the Cat.

Note this is an invitation to read the material only. I have no desire to debate this issue in this thread. At least not until I have finished the other thread.

[Assistant Junior Deputy Janitor Analogman]

Mickey -

Go back and read Xavier's comments on the Scripture that I posted and you will see a perfect example of "vain babblings".All he does is make non-sense comments in order to attempt to make the Word of God of no effect.

Are you referring to the 6th post on this very thread??

Thanks
A-man

[Xavier]

What is amusing is the fact that despite the evidence contained in the Revelation that a world wide judgment will come at the end of the age Xavier says that that is not evidence.

Which Mickey believes without cause for the phrase "end of the age"... When asked for reasoning behind such an exegesis, all I get is crickets...

Second problem would of course be worldwide language used for a decidedly NON-worldwide event. See early portions of Daniel. Other cites included Late Chapters of Ezekiel and here and there in Isaiah. It's a genre of writing from the Jewish worldview. Why is this so complicated to understand?

In other words,he has no use for any Scripture that does not match his eschatology.

In other words, he has no use for any exegesis of Scripture that does not match his eschatology.

He reminds me of the following people that Paul makes reference:

"O Timothy,keep that which is committed to thy trust,avoiding vain babblings,and oppositions of science fasely so called,Which some,professing,have erred concerning the faith"(1Tim.6:20,21).

Which obviously applies to the Futurists who can't even seem to figure up an argument from start to finish.

Go back and read Xavier's comments on the Scripture that I posted and you will see a perfect example of "vain babblings".All he does is make non-sense comments in order to attempt to make the Word of God of no effect.

He proves that he is willing to place his total trust in the doctrines invented by man and is willing to deny any inspired Scripture that demonstrates that his ideas are in error.

:rofl:

At least I actually attempt to understand what the Scriptures are actually trying to say IN CONTEXT!!!

:lmbo:

Yours,
Xavier

[Terral]

Mickey, Xavier:
Mickey >> What is amusing is the fact that despite the evidence contained in the Revelation that a world wide judgment will come at the end of the age Xavier says that that is not evidence.

Xavier >> Which Mickey believes without cause for the phrase "end of the age"... When asked for reasoning behind such an exegesis, all I get is crickets...

Bullony . . . The ‘end of the age’ affects everything on this planet. What kind of person believes that the ‘end of the age’ affects only one race of people or one nation on earth? Peter speaks of the “last days” and the “day of the Lord” in Acts 2:17-21. He describes the Judgment of the day of the Lord, and everything being destroyed in intense heat. 2Pet. 3:7-12.
“The word of the LORD which came to Zephaniah . . . “I will completely remove all things From the face of the earth," declares the LORD. “I will remove man and beast; I will remove the birds of the sky And the fish of the sea, And the ruins along with the wicked; And I will cut off man from the face of the earth,” declares the LORD. Be silent before the Lord GOD! For the day of the LORD is near, For the LORD has prepared a sacrifice, He has consecrated His guests.” Zephaniah 1:1-7.
All of these ‘day of the Lord’ events are still future, and NONE of them were fulfilled by the Romans in 70 AD. Your claim that the ‘end of the age’ occurred in 70 AD is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my long life. The fact that so many have been deluded into believing such nonsense is almost beyond my ability to fathom. To believe that all the ‘day of the Lord’ and ‘end of the age’ prophecies of Scripture were fulfilled by the Romans in 70 AD one must turn a blind eye to most everything written in Scripture. Christ’s return to set His feet upon the Mount of Olives is prophesied by Zechariah in Zech. 14:3+4, which shows that Mountain being split in two. Did that event happen in 70 AD, at your supposed ‘end of the age?’ No. Did the ‘man of sin’ (2Thes. 2:3) take his seat in the Temple of God displaying himself as being God (2Thes. 2:4)? No. He also did not give all the people on earth the ‘mark of the beast’ so that only they could buy and sell. Rev. 13:16+17. All of those events are still future, as Christ describes the hour of testing coming upon the whole world.
“Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.” Rev. 3:10.
Xavier >> Second problem would of course be worldwide language used for a decidedly NON-worldwide event. See early portions of Daniel. Other cites included Late Chapters of Ezekiel and here and there in Isaiah. It's a genre of writing from the Jewish worldview. Why is this so complicated to understand?
Your foolish explanation has so many holes it is ridiculous. What the Romans did in 70 AD in Jerusalem was a local event, but the prophecies all show the ‘end of the age’ (Matt. 24:3+) affect the WHOLE WORLD. Mickey has nailed you cold as a iceberg, and you feel that your statements here prove something. Luke 21 parallels Christ’s Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24, where He clearly shows that these events affect the world:
“There will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves, men fainting from fear and the expectation of the things which are coming upon the world; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.” Luke 21:25+26.
The power of the heavens being shaken affects everything on this planet, and not just one nation. Why not stop Pretending and start reading the whole Bible for what it really says about the "Day of the Lord" and the "End of the Age."


In Christ,


Terral

[Mickey]

Mickey -

Are you referring to the 6th post on this very thread??

Thanks
A-manA-man,

Yes,that is correct.

In Christ,

Mickey

[Mickey]

Which Mickey believes without cause for the phrase "end of the age"... When asked for reasoning behind such an exegesis, all I get is crickets...Xavier,

Why do you pretend that I never gave you any "reasoning" to support my views concering the "end of the age".

At another thread I said the following to you:
Anyone with just a little common sense and just a little spiritual discernment should understand this simple fact.The disciples were wanting to know the signs that would precede the end of the age in which they were living.

And earlier the Lord made it plain to anyone that at the end of the age in which they were living that there would be a judgment upon the whole world:

"He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are the angels.As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this age"(Mt.13:37-40).

The harvest that will come upon the whole world,in the Lord’s own words,will happen at the end of the age in which He was living—"the end of THIS age"!(From thread "The Argument he won't touch,#61)And since you have no answer we see that you once again revert to you bablings,saying:
I see no reason to connect the two usages of the phrase together. The phrase is used four times in Matthew. Three of them in the passage in Matthew 13. It is rather simple to propose that there is simple more than one age under reference: The Age of Israel and The Age of the Church (the Millienium).So all you can do is to say that the words of the Lord Jesus Christ in regard to the "end of the age" was in regard to two separate and different "end of the age".
At least I actually attempt to understand what the Scriptures are actually trying to say IN CONTEXT!!!No,all you try to do is the confuse the context by saying that when the Lord Jesus spoke of the "end of this age" that that phrase had nothing whatsoever to do with the Lord's answer to His disciples when they asked:

"And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the age?"(Mt.24:3).

It is you who does not give any Scriptual support to back up your claim that the Lord's words in regard to the "end of this age" at Matthew 13 is not in regard to the question of His disciples in regard to the "end of the age".

All I hear is crickets!

In Christ,

Mickey

[Xavier]

Mickey,

Since you continue to ignore the totality of past discussion and your continued unwillingness to provide an exegesis, I'm done with you. I've got better things to do than sludge through WHY your posts don't consitute an argument. Faramir has an ongoing discussion with a futurist WHO CAN ARGUE in the Basketball Court on the very connection you insist is there. Both Faramir and I have refered to it already.

Terral,

Thanks for the "argument" again. Now, if only you knew what the word actually meant.

Yours,
Xavier

[Terral]

Xavier:

Do not even bother offering a reply, as nothing any of the Preterists say makes any sense to me. The idea that the 'day of the Lord' and the 'end of the age' was fulfilled in 70 AD by Romans is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Anyone who believes you is your worthy disciple . . .

In Christ,

Terral

[Xavier]

Do not even bother offering a reply, as nothing any of the Preterists say makes any sense to me.

Thank you for finally admitting it... :ahem:

[Mickey]

Mickey,

Since you continue to ignore the totality of past discussion and your continued unwillingness to provide an exegesis, I'm done with you. I've got better things to do than sludge through WHY your posts don't consitute an argument.Of course you run off like a little child when you cannot provide any Scriptual evidence that proves that the words "end of the age" at Matthew 13 and at Matthew 24 are in regard to two totally different ages.

That type of behavior is exactly what I have come to expect from the preterists.When they cannot answer the Scriptures they either run away or they just "pretend" that those Scriptual verses do not even exist.

[Amazing Rando]

"Little child!" :haha:------------>:xavier:


:ahem:


Ya hear that, X? Mickey just paid you a high compliment. After all,

Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

I'm glad you recognized that Xavier is a child of the kingdom Mickey. Now perhaps you'd want to humble yourself and become like a little child too. Don't worry Mickey, Jesus loves you too! :smile: