Q&A: The west is often criticised by Muslims for many reasons ...

[spiritmech]

Makes ya think. (http://islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=1394)

Q: The west is often criticised by Muslims for many reasons, such as allowing women go to work.

But shouldnt the west also recieve praise because its always them who intervenve when muslims r being tortured,they stopped Milosovic kiling muslims and sent their own troops to the country,they r usually the first to send aid when theres a flood,they r also intervening in Isreal and condeming them killing Muslims ,so should we appreciate their efforts or not?

A: In simple the Kuffaar can never be trusted for any possible good they do.
They have their own interest at heart.

Was salaam

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.

via littlegreenfootballs.

[Sparko]

So we are condemned if we help and condemned if we don't. Nice.

[CatholicSage]

I really dislike that religion...

[Snarf]

Makes ya think. (http://islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=1394)

Q: The west is often criticised by Muslims for many reasons, such as allowing women go to work.

But shouldnt the west also recieve praise because its always them who intervenve when muslims r being tortured,they stopped Milosovic kiling muslims and sent their own troops to the country,they r usually the first to send aid when theres a flood,they r also intervening in Isreal and condeming them killing Muslims ,so should we appreciate their efforts or not?

A: In simple the Kuffaar can never be trusted for any possible good they do.
They have their own interest at heart.

Was salaam

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.

via littlegreenfootballs.

According to http://www.assembly-weu.org/en/documents/sessions_ordinaires/rpt/2003/1838.html#P96_11960

"Generally speaking, if one excluded the citizens of the United States, Albania and Kosovo, international public opinion did not consider the world to be a safer place as a result of the military action in Iraq. "

It may not be correct to consider the Muslim world a monolith. Consider all the Iraqis and Afghans who work with the US representatives, and undoubtedly many in Kosovo and Albania are appreciative of the US efforts. Does appreciation mean that they have to love evrything about us? You are a US citizen, do you love feminism and Clintonian politics?

[Snarf]

I really dislike that religion...
Why?
I find it strange that many evangelical christians have a great dislike for other religions because they are alleged to be false and will send people to hell. Yet Jews are also going to hell, according to evangelical theology, but Judaism is embraced. Why is this?

[spiritmech]

According to http://www.assembly-weu.org/en/documents/sessions_ordinaires/rpt/2003/1838.html#P96_11960

"Generally speaking, if one excluded the citizens of the United States, Albania and Kosovo, international public opinion did not consider the world to be a safer place as a result of the military action in Iraq. "

It may not be correct to consider the Muslim world a monolith. Consider all the Iraqis and Afghans who work with the US representatives, and undoubtedly many in Kosovo and Albania are appreciative of the US efforts. Does appreciation mean that they have to love evrything about us? You are a US citizen, do you love feminism and Clintonian politics?

Well, that's why I didn't throw a fit when I read it. It's just one guy on the web with broken English. I just pray it's not what every Muslim thinks, but I'm sort of pessimistic. I just think it's very sad.

[spiritmech]

Why?
I find it strange that many evangelical christians have a great dislike for other religions because they are alleged to be false and will send people to hell. Yet Jews are also going to hell, according to evangelical theology, but Judaism is embraced. Why is this?

For me it's not about theology. It's just recognizing the horrors of the 20th century and trying to ensure it never happens again. It's a practical embrace, because no one else seems to be embracing Judaism.

SM

[Solly]

There is no way you can say this is the default Islamic opinion. And what was the average American's opinion of a communist in the 50s? *cough*mccarthy*cough* or the average evangelical's opinion of atheists or homosexuals these days?

[Solly]

For me it's not about theology. It's just recognizing the horrors of the 20th century and trying to ensure it never happens again. It's a practical embrace, because no one else seems to be embracing Judaism.

SM

Of course, if you were a Christian in Israel, esp an Arab Christian, or a converted Israeli Christian, you wouldn't see the picture in quite the same way.

[spiritmech]

Of course, if you were a Christian in Israel, esp an Arab Christian, or a converted Israeli Christian, you wouldn't see the picture in quite the same way.

Or a Christian in Europe, perhaps? It seems apparent to me that Europe has always been anti-Semitic, and probably always will be. Europe hid it well for about 50 years, but it's rearing its ugly head again.

Again it just proves my point that America seems to be the only place that is trying to protect Jews from another holocaust.

SM

[Solly]

Or a Christian in Europe, perhaps? It seems apparent to me that Europe has always been anti-Semitic, and probably always will be. Europe hid it well for about 50 years, but it's rearing its ugly head again.

Again it just proves my point that America seems to be the only place that is trying to protect Jews from another holocaust.

SM

True, anti-semitism remains, but then so does islamophobia, homophobia, racism, etc. the Germans hate the Turks amongst them, the French hate the Africans, the Britons 'hated' the Irish, and the Jews are an easy taget. But it is a huge leap from there to another holocaust SM, a huge leap. And America does not have an unspotted copy book: Indigenous people, Japanese internment, Hiroshima, Agent orange, Central America, persecution of communists - alledged or real, demonisation of Muslims currently. While there was a lot that could be done to help the Jews after WWII, I think the worst possible choice was made in this, because it just assumed the Arabs would roll over and take it, yet it was just that time that Arab nationalism was rising uop, and this gave them the fuel for the fire: western incursion into their territory, and American support for its continance. As morally right as you may think it to be, it was practically wrong. And besides, why did Jews have to leave America for Israel, other than the fact that they could not be members of WASP golf clubs, etc., in the land of the free.

[spiritmech]

I'd be glad for them to come to the US. It's much easier to defend Jewish people here than that little sliver of land with everyone gunning for them.

SM

[Solly]

But can they join the golf club?

[spiritmech]

We have several all-male golf clubs. I'm not sure if they can have Jews-only or not. But I'd rather have them here not selling weapons to China (as they are now). I don't blame them, since we sell stuff to the Arabs, but if we're the only ones protecting them, they might as well be here.

SM

[Benster]

"But shouldnt the west also recieve praise because its always them who intervenve when muslims are being tortured..."

Yes, we should, and since you're a shoulda coulda kinda guy, don't you think you SHOULD have learned by now that things are not the way they SHOULD be:

"Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice.........you can't get fooled again."

Looks like some of us will never stop getting fooled.

The Mujaheddin apparently didn't appreciate enough our saving Afghanistan from the Russians, they ended up sponsoring 9-11. Not everyone thinks the way we do. Get it?

[Solly]

But to the Mujuhadeen, is there much difference between the Russians and the Americans, both 'imperialist' Christian powers? Let's not forget the education a lot of these people get. it's like in Northern Ireland, events that to us are hundreds of years ago, are to them as yesterday, and thus no trust. To many people in that part of the world, the Crusades happened yesterday, as Bush found out to his cost.

[Benster]

"To many people in that part of the world, the Crusades happened yesterday, as Bush found out to his cost."

To people who don't have a clue. Let's face it.

We'll see the depth of Muslim goodwill to the west once a Shia majority democratically-elected government is put in place in Iraq. Oh, I'm sure the Shiite Iranians will just be delighted with our generosity and even-handedness...

[Solly]

I think they are grateful, they just didn't want the Americans hanging around too long. Imagine it the other way around, America invaded by Muslims to oust a dictator, and then still there 18 months later, and all those survivalists out in the Appalachians...

[Krusader]

"To many people in that part of the world, the Crusades happened yesterday, as Bush found out to his cost."

To people who don't have a clue. Let's face it.

We'll see the depth of Muslim goodwill to the west once a Shia majority democratically-elected government is put in place in Iraq. Oh, I'm sure the Shiite Iranians will just be delighted with our generosity and even-handedness...
I think you're probably on target with that. It's the Sunnis that don't want an elected government, since they are in the minority. The Shiites are all cooperating, since they are bound to win the election - and then may set up another "Islamic" Republic like unto Iran. I don't foresee democracy for Iraq - but another opressive government under a nasty ayatollah who will make all the poor women cover their heads, and lower their eyes when speaking to a man.

[Sparko]

and all those survivalists out in the Appalachians...
That's my kinfolk yer talkin' about.

[CatholicSage]

Why?
I find it strange that many evangelical christians have a great dislike for other religions because they are alleged to be false and will send people to hell. Yet Jews are also going to hell, according to evangelical theology, but Judaism is embraced. Why is this?

First, I'm not an "evangelical" Christian. Second, I don't simply dislike "other religions" in general; I analyze them on a case by case basis. Islam is one of the very few religions that I dislike, because of its bloody thousand-year expansion into and conquest of Christian lands and peoples, and its bloody nature today as well. As one of my personal favorite bloggers has written, "There can be, and are, good Moslems but that does not change the obvious and fundamental fact that Islam itself is, in general, a bad thing and that we’d all be better off had it never been created."

Whereas other religions that I believe to be incorrect, such as Buddhism and Confucianism, were at least founded by benevolent men and have few negative qualities, Islam seems to me to be the political ideology of a conqueror.

[Benster]

I think you're probably on target with that. It's the Sunnis that don't want an elected government, since they are in the minority.
The Iranians would much rather have an Iraq under Sunni control too. Otherwise, the new Shiite-friendly Iraq will constitute a competitive threat.

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