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zorathruster
January 18th 2005, 03:24 PM
I have recently been reading books and many articles on consciousness. One of the issues has to do with emotions. People with brain damage to their emotional part become stimied by the inability to make decisions. They will stand in front of the peas section in the grocery store and be unable to commit to which brand of peas to get.

It appears when humans are confronted with tasks that are too complex or they don't have enough information, they resort to making a timely decision by using emotion to guide them and keep them from stagnating. This appears to come into play on issues that have so many variables that to weigh and balance all the issues would take more information than is available or has too many variations to adequately make a proper assessment.

Choice of mate, career, children and religion all are so complex and require decisions to be made on very little verifiable information. Or it is possible the small amount of information that comes to bear has so much variability that the choice becomes unmanagable by rational means, complexity. We get our emotional choices from watching other people decide similar choices. Thus emotional choices are more likely to be made in accodance with your community standards than made by logic.

Religion in particular uses "group think" as one of it's strongest points of validation: "If religion is wrong, why do so many humans do it?" This means that the invalidating and rational information just needs to pile up until theists finally see the light. Like a bad marriage. Walking down the aisle everything looks peachy, its only after years of suffering, poor financial responsibility, poor interpersonal skills, and poor responsibility that most legitimate partners finally call it quits.

If this is true, non-theists should just keep presenting the facts. Keep the slow and steady presentation of rational information countering prayer, and creationism and all other theistic arguments used to bolster the theistic position. They are making their choice on emotion not rational information. It is up to the few and dedicated to keep presenting the facts.:argh:

learning
January 21st 2005, 10:46 PM
I'ld suggest you read 'Synaptic Self' and see that emotion and motivation are part of our brain, and part of who we are as human beings. To denegrate 'emotion' is putting down part of your brain, and part of who you are. If it were not for 'emotion' we would not know how to survive 'fear' or 'danger' situations.

Anyways, prayer works, studies prove it, and the head of the Humanistic Association of Canada, he said on t.v. (he works with people dying of cancer) that he never saw someone go into the Chapel of the Hospital where he works, NOT coming out feeling better for having gone in. So.... I really don't see all this fuss and bother about everything having to be so 'rational' and all. Emotion and motivation are also part of who we are. It IS true that we should use logic to help us where logic is important, but not all of life is best served by logic, as you pointed out above.

Non-theist only area. Besides, Learning caught his own mistake.

learning
January 22nd 2005, 09:54 AM
Ach! I'm sorry, I thought this was in 'Philosophy' so I shouldn't be posting here. Could a moderator please delete these two posts.

See above.

BeHereNow
January 28th 2005, 12:41 AM
Zorathruster-

Can you explain the difference between emotional and logical decisions?

zorathruster
January 31st 2005, 10:53 PM
Zorathruster-

Can you explain the difference between emotional and logical decisions?Fair request: From my study, emotion is a decision that fails to analyse enough of the major issues bearing on that decision. It is a feeling that correlates what you have seen others in similar situations do to your own course of action. A choice that is made based on your own general contentment at the time of choosing. A decision that may actually ignore factual evidence and decide based on wants and desires rather than what you can actually determine. The benefit, quick decision. The detriment, not always the best decision.

Logical decisions take a number of major factors bearing on an issue and weight those factors. Very much like a section out of Consumer Reports. A car for example: Maintainability, Performance, Economy, Long Term cost issues Giving each a weighted grade or a "go-no go" criteria. Benefit, best choice from the available information. The detriment, takes a long time to make the decision.

Lets take marriage:

Choice based on emotion may be directly effected by present moment contentment, sexual urges, social issues and the general feeling of well being of the society as a whole. Very few of these issues appear to be good foundations for a marriage, or at least not high on the list of marriage councelor's.
Choice based on logic may include: income level and desired life style, history of abuse, willingness to share responsibilities of the family, willingness to have children, esteme issues of support, esteme issues requirements, job plans, neatness, spending habits, hobbies, religious preferences and habits, problem resolution methods, current debt level.
By laying out all the factors someone can determine better if the spouse meets the minimum criteria (won't beat them) and whether they presently exceed the criteria (makes enough money). These are many of the factors that most dating services force participants to declare before pairing them up. Although I cannot find any success statistics, I would venture to guess their long term marriage success rate higher than those who ignore basic issues for emotional choices.