Does Dust mean atoms?

[KyleX0rz]

7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

I was looking as this verse the other day, and I started to think that couldn't dust mean atoms? At the time the bible was first written, atleast I don't think there would be a word for atoms in the hebrew language. The atom wasnt first conceived uptill Democritus in 300 BC. Dust is tiny particles, I think who ever wrote it meant atoms instead of dust, to me it sounds a lot more probable we're all atoms(which we are :duh: ) than to be created from actual dust itself.

[Sacrificial Ram]

7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

I was looking as this verse the other day, and I started to think that couldn't dust mean atoms? At the time the bible was first written, atleast I don't think there would be a word for atoms in the hebrew language. The atom wasnt first conceived uptill Democritus in 300 BC. Dust is tiny particles, I think who ever wrote it meant atoms instead of dust, to me it sounds a lot more probable we're all atoms(which we are :duh: ) than to be created from actual dust itself.
Well, it is a pun in the original hebrew. God formed man (adam) from dust (red clay) (adamah) It is also related to the word for blood.

[technomage]

I doubt the Hebrews who read the words were think atoms ... but it's a perfectly good modern analogy, as long as we don't forget that it is anachronistic for the time the passage was written.

Justin

[KyleX0rz]

Well, it is a pun in the original hebrew. God formed man (adam) from dust (red clay) (adamah) It is also related to the word for blood.
ah so I guess my idea probably isnt correct than


I doubt the Hebrews who read the words were think atoms ... but it's a perfectly good modern analogy, as long as we don't forget that it is anachronistic for the time the passage was written.
yeah...i dont think they thought that either..just maybe the writers intended that to be it but they had no word for it. I don't think ancient hebrews studied it and thought of it as atoms.

[Sacrificial Ram]

ah so I guess my idea probably isnt correct than


yeah...i dont think they thought that either..just maybe the writers intended that to be it but they had no word for it. I don't think ancient hebrews studied it and thought of it as atoms.
I believe that part of it was saying that God molded man, just like a potter molded clay to create a pot. figuratively speaking of course...

There is a lot you can miss if you don't try to understand the original language and context of the story.

[exile]

On another forum I've seen the idea that Moses was given the creation story in a vision and wrote it down as best he could given he had no scientific knowledge. If you look at it this way it's not too far (apart from timescales) from the modern scientific view.

Anyone go along with this view?

[kofh2u]

ah so I guess my idea probably isnt correct than


yeah...i dont think they thought that either..just maybe the writers intended that to be it but they had no word for it. I don't think ancient hebrews studied it and thought of it as atoms.

Obviously, scripture being true, must use euphemism, symbols, and analogy to communicate a whole terminology about unknown ideas.

The exposition of the literature needs to consider the audience it is intended for, and to write in ways that transcend the earliest ignorance, yet maintains a contextural harmony that will be appropriate later.

When knowledge abounds and men are so worldly and informed as to travel to and fro over all the earth, in those days of enlarged understandings, Genesis must be understood for what it was actually communicating.

It is recursive to say God exposed His word to scribes whose heads He was restrained from speaking over. The lack of the modern word "atom" would not restrict God from using that factual idea as the basis for what he was communicating.

I think research will bear out that atom is a derivation of Atum, an Egyptian God. Also, "soul" is an English concept that translators used for the Greek word "psyke'.

Gen. 2:7 And the LORD God, (the Universal Power), formed (the organism), man, from the dust (of organic chemicals) of the ground (upon the Earth), and breathed (from His atmosphere) into his nostrils the breath of life, (oxygen); and man became a living psyke' (Gr.).






Dan. 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words (of the Old Testament), and seal the book (read by many concerned with death and hell), even to (2K4AD), the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, (traveling freely by land, sea, and even air), and knowledge (in the Information Age) shall be increased

[wfaber]

God told Adam in Genesis 3:19, "Dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." Adam body obviously didn't break down into individual atoms again, at least I don't think it did. (I can see it now, Atoms and Eve)

The word atom is a misnomer. It meant without bodies in Greek, the belief being that it was the smallest unit of matter. But since that time, they learned that there were more than a hundred types of atoms, and that they were made up of subatomic particles, of which there were only three known. Eventually they discovered dozens of subatomic particles, and theorized that they consisted of even smaller particles facetiously called quarks. Now they have six or eight of these quarks, and are wondering if they are made of somethine else not yet discovered.

[kofh2u]

wfahber:
God told Adam in Genesis 3:19, "Dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." Adam body obviously didn't break down into individual atoms again, at least I don't think it did.

KOFHY:
Huh?
Yes.
We decay and essentially over time are reduced to the atoms that composed us. Right?

wfahber:
The word atom is a misnomer. It meant without bodies in Greek, the belief being that it was the smallest unit of matter.
KOFHY:
Check me out on the Greek.
Atom means "indivisible" doesn't it?

wfahber:
But since that time, they learned that there were more than a hundred types of atoms,

KOFHY:
Interestingly, these atoms form 12 families. It is interesting because 12 is used so inordinately often in the Bible. Interesting because the "hidden manna" promised in Rev 2, the lost kabbalah of the Jew, denotes "Twelve (12) Simple" foundations to its puzzle.

wfahber:
...and that they were made up of subatomic particles, of which there were only three known.

KOFHY:
The electron, proton, and neutron, again, the kabbalah of the "Three (3) Mothers."

However, we also found that the relationship between these (3) three particules depends upon seven (7) levels of electronic energy states.
This is where the chemical energy, used to join and separate atoms, comes from. Seven (7) is the most used number in scripture, as you know. The Secret Doctrine of Israel, (the Jewish Kabbalah that Madonna and Guy Richie are into?) informs us of "Seven (7) Doubles."

Hummmm.... could we be onto something here? Does the Word hold the secrets of Chemistry?

wfahber:
Eventually they discovered dozens of subatomic particles,...

KOFHY:
Dozens?
No.
A dozen, (12), Elementary Particules are "hooked up" to form many sub-atomic "substances," like the dozen (12) Chemical Families "hook up," to form a zillion Compounds.

wfahber:
..and theorized that they consisted of even smaller particles facetiously called quarks. Now they have six or eight of these quarks, and are wondering if they are made of somethine else not yet discovered.

KOFHY:
Not exactly.

They found that twelve (12) subatomic particules exist that are Elementary Matter, used to form all these many Subatomic Substances you referred to above.

Six of the twelve (12) are different types Quarks, and six others are types of Leptons. That's twelve (12) again!

Now the cabala of these bible numbers gets more intriguing, since there are three (3) types of Dark Matter: the Axion, the Wimp, and the KOFH (predicted, but still undiscovered)

AND, there are, again, according to how man has figured all this out, yes, SEVEN energy states that cause the coming together and the breaking up of these twelve (12) simple forms of Elementary Matter. These are called the (7) Seven Bosons.

Coincidence or cabala?

Rev. 2:17 He that hath an ear, (listen to this clear meaning), let him hear what the Spirit, (the Sevenfold Psyche), saith unto the churches, (that is, the evolving body of Christianity); To him that overcometh, (he who sublimates beyond the archaic interpretations of scriptural misunderstandings), will I give to eat of (Kabbalah), the hidden manna, (the hidden organizational pattern in Genesis), and will give him a white stone, (written on paper), and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

[b488]

atom
derived from greek

a- = not

temnein = to cut

it does indeed mean indivisible

atum, however, i think is derived from the egyptian word tem, and roughly means "he accoplishes" or "one who accomplishes"

[KyleX0rz]

it doesnt really matter what atom means, the hebrews didnt have a word for atoms(correct me if im wrong), so instead the best way to show small particles would be dust...atleast imo. Im not saying Moses laid the ground work for quantum mechanics. Its just a simple way to show what it could mean.

[Vivian]

When one's conciousness touches the Eternal, Quiescent Truth and Light comes in, it is without words or form. Man's layers of consciousness then brings the Knowing in, eventually giving it words. These words though are dependent on the individual's language development which is influenced by their intelligence and their social, religious, and cultural upbringing.

This is why Truth is recognized not by the actual words presented but in the energy or vibration behind them. Only those with eyes to see and ears to hear - or developed spiritual senses - are able to discern this energy. Those without spiritual hearing can only see the surface meaning of words, hence frequently caught in endless debates about what this and that actually means.

Moses used the word dust because it denoted the smallest building block of the physical world that was then known to him and in so saying revealed not only that all that exists in the physical world is made from dust - plants, animals and minerals, but also revealed a deeper Truth that all of creation is likewise made from the same building block - spiritual "dust".



vivian

[Heathen Dawn]

Only those with eyes to see and ears to hear - or developed spiritual senses - are able to discern this energy. Those without spiritual hearing can only see the surface meaning of words, hence frequently caught in endless debates about what this and that actually means.

Yes … but it is better to help the unseeing see than to brag of one’s own ability to see and look down upon the unseeing.

[kofh2u]

atom
derived from greek

a- = not

temnein = to cut

it does indeed mean indivisible

atum, however, i think is derived from the egyptian word tem, and roughly means "he accoplishes" or "one who accomplishes"


Hi,
I have not researched Atum. But I pass on thd words of a researcher who claimed the word in Egyptian is rooted in that meaning, in particular, it is of course an Egyptian God. The same source also says that Cherubim is rooted ultimately in the same word cerebrum. mI could not validate that, and wonder how he might defend his position.

Your signature statement is very dear to me, not only because it is true and encourages the question as to just how come, but because my mother repeated it to me often as a child.