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Jack777
January 24th 2005, 06:23 PM
The pious pretence that evil does not exist only makes it vague, enormous and menacing.



Aleister Crowley The Confessions of Aleister Crowley



It seems as though we live in a world where there is no right or wrong. We are evolved and biomutations according to some. Is that so? A lot think so. Moral relativism and moral equivalency have ardent admirers, quick to show us that something is not really wrong, it is only that we think something is evil. I made the simple observation that homosexuality is wrong. I meant that it is a sin and that God says that it is wrong to practice. What I did not say was that God calls it an abomination and Paul is not any more charitable about it in Romans One. I was immediately called a bigot for making an observation about reality. People believe that it is fine. That is a belief. I suspect that the Revelation of God might be rejected by some and one person who commented similarly seemed to get hounded about it.

It is funny but Osama bin Laden understands our myopia about right and wrong better than we do. He knows most of us think that God was joking around about all the things in the Bible that He said. The terrorists flew into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon and right away there were people suspecting the Baptists might be plotting similar activities in Sunday Schools. Like they are going to take along fried chicken, cole slaw and bomb belts on Church Picnics pretty soon. Well, of course people could not quite say what happened on 911 was good, but then the elite made up for it by allowing how the untermenchen in the United States fly flags and are patriotic and we who believe in Jesus are the real enemies. Why, we’re the American Taliban and those poor terrorists are just good ol’ boys, freedom fighters, that’s what they are.

John Kerry knows a lot of people are stupid because a lot of people voted for him. He just said yesterday that we are going it alone. Alone? We have been in a coalition with many countries around the world in combating terrorism. How many countries does he need? I think what he really means is that we need to indulge in corruption and graft with the ones that were involved in the oil for food scandal. I am thinking he wants to be the chief guy in charge of all of that. Evil is enormous and menacing because people deny its existence and believe lies.

Fortunately there are a number of people who could not afford to go to college or most of the country would be stark raving mad by now. Math classes in universities have insane screeds against the evil Christians and the evil people that won’t do anything against us. Soapboxes are issued to new professors and they are expected to be used. Pretending that there is no evil does make it enormous and menacing. The paranoia and the moral idiocy in universities is in full evidence. A favorite teaching in universities is that good is evil and evil is good. This kind of moral confusion is seen as intellectually superior thought. This is one reason I have doubts about anything someone might have to say about theism mixing with The Theory of Evolution.



Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principle of evil.



Albert Camus The Rebel



The concept of vanity is elusive until one looks it in the face and sees what was always there before, but is not frightening. Virtue feigned under the power of one held captive by vanity kills little by little, the willing victim gulping down poison as if it were the best drink ever. Feigning virtue is a sort of vanity as absurd as claiming you are a poached egg, something like the lie that is so preposterous that we believe it. Acting under the pretense that we are doing something for the good of others is another virtue that is not real and becomes a primary principle of evil. Most of us have to depend to one extent or another on someone else whether we like it or not. Playing out a virtue to accommodate us is often the downfall of the one that is doing things for our own good. Things go smoothly but when things begin in earnest and we find out what the story really is we suddenly realize too late what we bargained for. Vanity and emptiness offered like fried eggs and bacon never satisfy, but we can depend on desire to take in evil wanting those fried eggs and bacon we will never get.



Ideas are like this. Rather than the heavy eyeliner and alluring perfume of a whore, some think ideas make us pretty. The whore comes to never need sex in a way that cannot be understood and we can come to never need God because of our ideas. I know someone who claimed that he was looking for the “All.” What he did manage to find was tequila and cocaine. The Delphic Oracle intoned, “Know thyself.” Neither the cocaine addicted tequila drinker nor the Delphic Oracle had the whole story. Delighting the ego and satisfying the mind is fine to do for some, it is a way of coming to a greater realization if we are truly blessed, a learning process. We have to come to know the Creator before we can know ourselves. However, most people take bits and pieces of this and that divorced from reality and then find virtue a principle of evil. It must be something like naplam that just spreads when in panic the person tries to wipe it off and it is smeared, burning more of the body. Ideas are great, but like the Scriptures can be taken and used for our own destruction. A lot of people have noticed that ideas separated from reality can be used to control other people and get what we want out of them. Jim Jones knew that. I listened to tapes from his compound recorded at night and his sonorous raving, modulating and shrieking in the night raised the hair on the back of my neck. In his case, he became the virtue separated from reality and he became a principle of evil.



One concept corrupts and confuses the others. I am not speaking of the Evil whose limited sphere is ethics; I am speaking of the infinite.



Jorge Luis Borges, Avatars Of The Tortoise



Well, I have been reassured that ideas do not matter so much, but I know different anyway. It matters little that Hitler was a product of what he thought to some people. To miss and dismiss the power and the effect his worldview on him is a mistake. One way the ancient Hebrews thought of sin was mixing two things together that do not belong, causing confusion. That reality thing is important. It is difficult to impress the importance of not going too far with some things. To the intuitive observer, evil looks the same as good, or maybe even better in the visage we behold. Evil is only recognized if we know the face of Good thoroughly. The imago dei does not seem important to some.



This is not a polemic against Theistic Evolution. I made the statement that Evolution is a religion. I did so because it is by definition a religion. It is based on beliefs and imagination. That was taken as a pejorative statement. I did not mean it as such, but that reveals much. It is ridiculous to tell me that someone has factual proof of something that did not require them to use their imagination and apply certain beliefs (hypotheses) about reality when in fact they have not seen one shred of physical evidence of the thing they say existed or may exist. Hitchcock wrote his famous book about Geology and called it The Religion of Geology. The fact that there are certain virtues of The Theory of Evolution divorced from reality that are fiercely defended as if life itself depended upon them, suggests all the more a religion and a false one at that. It seems a bad thing to credit the Creator with certain things that He says that He did. On the other hand, it is seen as a good to credit ideas with the same reverence in an absolute way. One concept corrupts and confuses the others. To me, that is a signal proof of being on shaky ground. People can tell me the age of the earth and adore that age as pretty and damn people if they do not see how pretty it is. Okay, it is pretty, but give me a break. As Jorge, I see the Creator immensely more interesting and real than something only indirectly measured, that seems a bad thing. How many people lived from the beginning of the earth to now armed with stop watches that can show me the time log? A show of hands…anyone…oh I see. I understand that it is a minor point in a way, but when exploring virtue apart from reality, there is a certain need to have things in order of importance at least. I sense that my opposition to Theistic Evolution is seen differently than it is.



“A resolution to avoid an evil is seldom framed till the evil is so far advanced as to make avoidance impossible.”



Thomas Hardy Far from the Madding Crowd



Hitler embraced evil and I think that he knew that on some level. Someone commented that Hitler is no one to go by as an example of something to be avoided. That suggests to me that ideas and truth are held in a surreal fashion by some. The Apostle Paul said that a little leaven spoils the dough. It seems such a small thing to some to emphasize the Creator as the a priori condition and examine what His Word said about creation. It is not. Evil is said to be harmful. Once a course is plotted, things measured, and we set sail, well oh well.



“Evil is like water, it abounds, is cheap, soon fouls, but runs itself clear of taint.”



Samuel Butler Samuel Butler’s Notebooks



For some reason, if evil touches good, it is good that is ruined and not evil. That is biblical and it always works that way. Everyone assuming this or that about an idea and not taking it seriously seems capricious at best. I think our only hope for survival is not on survival of the fittest but by keeping God in charge of this country and publicly declaring His sovereignty over our land.

rogero
January 24th 2005, 06:35 PM
More redundancy!

Ok, Jack, Hitler is evil. Wow -- thanks for the revelation.

Now, would you please explain how your assertion that evolutionary theory is responsible (apparently)for the evil of Hitler affects the truth or falsity of the scientific hypothesis of common descent with modification via mutation and natural selection?

Maybe this will sink into your hoary noggin eventually, but there are Christians who are very orthodox in theology and have no problem accepting the evidence for biological evolution that the Creation has allowed to be left behind for us to study in this present age.

Basic synopsis: Jack conflates the human socio-politcal derivates from evolutionary theory with the the scientific observations that support and confirm said theory. Jack also needs to take a close look at how the misappropriation of traditional "creationist" theory, for example, the Divine Right of Kings, has led to much human misery and evil.

Jack -- why can't you give it up?

R

Jack777
January 24th 2005, 06:39 PM
Just trying to point out a few things, that is all. I know you do not understand and it is okay, it really is. Thanks for telling everyone what to think, I am sure they can draw their own conclusions, but you never know. Is it not odd to you that you do not have confidence in the human intellect of others to correctly interpret my writing? I do appreciate your interest and feedback, this is all useful information to me.

rogero
January 24th 2005, 06:48 PM
My points stand as written, and we should let the readers decide. Your assertion of evolution as an evil philosophy apart from scientific evidence for its truth or falsity and your fideistc and arrogant confidence that you know how God creates should be evident to the casual observer.

BTW, when are you going to start a non-redundant substantive thread on your views of the history of the biosphere, in view of your Old Earth view based (presumably) on your career in geology (and two degrees, no less!), and aided and abetted by your degree in English?

R

Jack777
January 25th 2005, 11:39 AM
You know what they say about assuming rogero.


Please don't.

I am not saying how God created, the Bible says that. I notice you and others assume what I think and mostly tend to think of me as a YEC or a Jorge clone. You would do well to learn from people like Jorge as he is often quite loving and understanding despite differences.
I am not as nice.

technomage
January 25th 2005, 11:49 AM
So, let me get this straight. Hitler (and a lot of other folks) disingenuously used the theory of evolution to do a lot of evil, therefore the ToE is evil? Jack ... that makes no more sense than saying the Space Shuttle program is evil because Hitler (and a lot of other folks) used the theory of rocket thrust to make offensive weapons.

Justin

Jack777
January 25th 2005, 11:52 AM
May God bless you Justin.

No, that is not what I am saying, how come you are the only one to at least clarify what I know is being assumed???? Rhetorical question.

Thanks.

technomage
January 25th 2005, 11:59 AM
May God bless you Justin.

No, that is not what I am saying, how come you are the only one to at least clarify what I know is being assumed???? Rhetorical question.
No, Jack, it wasn't a rhetorical question on my part: you have me extremely confused here. Of course, since I'm still working on my first cup of coffee, confusion isn't all that difficult. :coffee: :lol:

Justin

Jack777
January 25th 2005, 02:07 PM
I meant my question was rhetorical...LOL, I need some start up time myself with or without coffee, but coffee is sure good!!!:smile: