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I'm not so sure I agree with one of the points you make, here:
I'm not sure I understand the connection you're implying, here. Clement of Alexandria says that Jesus' birth occurred on the 25th Day of Pachon, in the 28th year of Augustus. Converted to the Julian calendar, that gives us May 20th, 19 BCE. Not only does this not match the March 25th date which you cite, but it stands in stark contrast to Luke's account, which places Jesus' birth during the governorship of Quirinius (at least 6 AD)."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostNot being an expert in Greek, I'll rely on Ben Witherington. When he was on my show, he made a statement about the timing of the census and said Luke could be making a statement about an event that took place, perhaps a lesser census, before the great census under Quirinius in around 6 A.D.
However, that wasn't really my main point. I was more interested in why the quote from Clement's Stromateis was relevant to a discussion of the March 25th date for Jesus' conception. Clement says that Jesus was born on May 20th, 19 BCE. That has nothing to do with either March 25th or December 25th (though, interestingly, it is Pachon 25)."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostI'm not sure I buy that, given that Luke 2:2 explicitly states that he was talking about the first census to take place during the governorship of Quirinius. I'll have to listen to that particular show to see how Dr. Witherington argues for that.
However, that wasn't really my main point. I was more interested in why the quote from Clement's Stromateis was relevant to a discussion of the March 25th date for Jesus' conception. Clement says that Jesus was born on May 20th, 19 BCE. That has nothing to do with either March 25th or December 25th (though, interestingly, it is Pachon 25).
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostDo you have a source on that?
http://egypt.online-resourcen.de/Dat...Roman_Emperors"[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostI'd have to check on the claim about the calendar. That's all I was wondering about."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostFor the time being, I've removed it anyway. It's not essential to the piece."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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