Chief of Staff Lizard
February 22nd 2005, 07:12 PM
Terral is making false acllegations that he had a thread closed to silence his excellent :no: arguments. The truth is that Terral’s thread was in violation of TWeb, and instead of agreeing to follow TWeb’s rules, Terral pitched a fit and the thread ended up being closed.
For proof of Terral's dishonesty click here. (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47340)
On the off chance that there is anyone other than Terral who may actually believe that the thread was closed to silence Terral, I have decided to open a thread to answer each one of Terral’s 10 questions. Here is question #1. (The other threads will follow after a reasonable time so as not to spam the forum.):
1. What Scriptural reason do you have for changing the definition of ‘my generation’ from being the generation to see ‘all these things?’
“Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; so, you too, when you [ this generation ] see all these things, [ all signs; Matt. 24:3-29 ] recognize that He is near, right at the door [ Your coming: Matt. 24:3, 30 ]. Truly I say to you, this generation [ seeing all these things ] will not pass away until all these things [ Matt. 24:3-31 ] take place.”
First of all this is a loaded question. “What Scriptural reason do you have for changing the definition…” AFAICS I have the accurate biblical definition and it is Terral who has “changed” the definition to fit his eschatology. But I would never frame the question in that way if I were really interested in honest debate (note: I gave up on having honest debate with Terral weeks ago, so if I load my questions to him, make no mistake it is out of disrespect.)
Second, this question has been asked by Terral on many occasions and answered by me and others, with no substantive counter by Terral. The following threads to name a few:
Here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44995&page=1&pp=16 (showthread.php?t=44995&page=1&pp=16)),here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43767 (showthread.php?t=43767)) and here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44954 (showthread.php?t=44954)).
So I will not give a very detailed response, but would like to give something to at least give a start to the discussion. (cut and paste from this thread: http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45320 (showthread.php?t=45320))
1Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. 2But he answered them, "You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down." 3As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?"
The question, When will these things take place?; Was in response to Jesus saying, “there will not be left here on stone upon another.”
It is clear that the disciples equated this to the destruction of the Temple.
And when was that temple destroyed? AD 70. Within one generation. Just like Jesus said.
Jesus told His disciples that you (second person plural) need to watch for the signs, not them (third person plural). In other words the people who needed to watch for the signs were present when Jesus was speaking.
16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house,
Those in Judea are to flee. Why Judea, if this is a world wide tribulation. Why flee if this is a world wide event. There would be no where to flee to.
For proof of Terral's dishonesty click here. (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47340)
On the off chance that there is anyone other than Terral who may actually believe that the thread was closed to silence Terral, I have decided to open a thread to answer each one of Terral’s 10 questions. Here is question #1. (The other threads will follow after a reasonable time so as not to spam the forum.):
1. What Scriptural reason do you have for changing the definition of ‘my generation’ from being the generation to see ‘all these things?’
“Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; so, you too, when you [ this generation ] see all these things, [ all signs; Matt. 24:3-29 ] recognize that He is near, right at the door [ Your coming: Matt. 24:3, 30 ]. Truly I say to you, this generation [ seeing all these things ] will not pass away until all these things [ Matt. 24:3-31 ] take place.”
First of all this is a loaded question. “What Scriptural reason do you have for changing the definition…” AFAICS I have the accurate biblical definition and it is Terral who has “changed” the definition to fit his eschatology. But I would never frame the question in that way if I were really interested in honest debate (note: I gave up on having honest debate with Terral weeks ago, so if I load my questions to him, make no mistake it is out of disrespect.)
Second, this question has been asked by Terral on many occasions and answered by me and others, with no substantive counter by Terral. The following threads to name a few:
Here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44995&page=1&pp=16 (showthread.php?t=44995&page=1&pp=16)),here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43767 (showthread.php?t=43767)) and here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44954 (showthread.php?t=44954)).
So I will not give a very detailed response, but would like to give something to at least give a start to the discussion. (cut and paste from this thread: http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45320 (showthread.php?t=45320))
1Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. 2But he answered them, "You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down." 3As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?"
The question, When will these things take place?; Was in response to Jesus saying, “there will not be left here on stone upon another.”
It is clear that the disciples equated this to the destruction of the Temple.
And when was that temple destroyed? AD 70. Within one generation. Just like Jesus said.
Jesus told His disciples that you (second person plural) need to watch for the signs, not them (third person plural). In other words the people who needed to watch for the signs were present when Jesus was speaking.
16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house,
Those in Judea are to flee. Why Judea, if this is a world wide tribulation. Why flee if this is a world wide event. There would be no where to flee to.