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Rubia Warren
May 26th 2003, 09:11 PM
I thought this was kind of interesting, I got this off another discussion board. I am not quite sure who wrote it all, but the quotes I was told can be verified by doing a google search. I always knew Ozzy in the past was a bit on the dark side, but I didn't realize all of the things that He and the other Black Sabbath members had done and said throughout the years, as quoted in this article. I never paid much attention; in the 80s I was more into New Wave music and stuff like that than anything else (I was not a huge Ozzy fan, but I thought Black Sabbath was pretty cool, at the time.) Mainly, I am posting this just to see what kind of responses it gets and the discussion (if any) arises from it.




George W. Bush is said to be one of Osbourne's biggest fans


(Some info off the net on Mr. Ozborne)
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Ozzy Osbourne: the Rest of the Story

Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation. Matthew 12:45



One of the hottest celebrities today is the vulgar, violent and demonic Ozzy Osbourne. MTV recently launched the profanity-soaked The Osbournes family show. The Osbournes is simply filmed during Oz and family’s normal (if you could possibly call it that) daily life. No acting. . . No pretense. . . Just simply being their abnormal self. It’s just "family time with The Osbournes".

I stomached one nauseating viewing of The Osbournes (and believe me – that was one too many!). I counted 51 occurrences of the "F-word" in a little over 15 minutes (episode "Dinner with Ozzy"). Profanity and perversion is spewed by all the Oz kin – Oz, wife, teenage daughter and son. Of course, MTV "bleeps" the worse profanity out, but the actual words are easily understood. In between the onslaught of f-words, and depravity, a drug-cooked-burnt-out Ozzy staggers, mumbles, shakes and screams in a state of spaced-out, confusion. Much of the subject matter and perverse acts can not and will not be repeated in this article – but believe me – it’s sicko, sicko and sicko. . . And sicko. .

MTV’s vulgar and vile The Osbournes is the most successful show in MTV history! It received the highest ratings of any other entertainment program on any other cable station this season. Over 8 million viewers tune in to The Osbournes. MTV’s contract to extend The Osbournes profanity-program another two years was the most expensive in MTV’s history! Over $20 million! (as a side note from La Rubia: I do not know when this was written, but it has been my understanding that this season was to the The Osbournes last on MTV, by the family's choice, but I could be wrong.)

". . . men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. . ." John 3:19

Knowing MTV’s usual subject matter and tweenie audience the huge success of the disgusting The Osbournes is no real shocker. The more vile. . . The more vulgar. . . The more offensive. . . The more teenagers. . . will watch MTV.

And let’s not forget the mountain of books such as The Osbournes Un*******authorized, episode guides, and scores of others. There’s talking and bobbing head dolls of The Osbournes, complete with the "bleeped out" F-word. And of course there’s the deluge of The Osbournes posters, keychains, trading cards, caps, t-shirts, calendars, magazines, coin-banks, snow globes and who knows what else.

The fact that mainstream America has lavishly welcomed Ozzy and The Osbournes with accolades, awards and open arms is a frightening testimony to the perverted spiritual and moral condition of America.
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For instance, Ozzy recently was awarded the coveted star on the renowned Hollywood Hall of Fame. As someone pointed out, the Oz’s star was ironically in front of the Ripley's Believe it Or Not! Museum. Satanist and fellow pervert-rocker, Marilyn Manson introduced Ozzy at the bizarre Hollywood Walk of Fame Ceremony. Manson said, "This star right here proves that it's quite obvious that Ozzy has managed to succeed while remaining insane and strangely happy, despite his various crimes against God and nature." We'll look at his "crimes against God" later, along with his "insanity" and "strangely happy" condition.

The expletive-drenched The Osbournes was awarded an Emmy award for the year's outstanding nonfiction reality program.

Oh. . . Guess who was the star at the 2002 White House Correspondents Dinner? The self-proclaimed, Prince of Darkness, himself. Oz was the surprise guest of Fox's Greta Van Susteren. Despite the sea of celebrities, congressman, and even President Bush’s presence clearly, the main attraction was the Oz. President Bush amazingly gave the Bush seal of approval to Ozzy and his music. President Bush said in his speech at the gala event, "The thing about Ozzy is, he's made a lot of big hit recordings 'Party With the Animals.' 'Sabbath Bloody Sabbath.' 'Facing Hell.' 'Black Skies' and 'Bloodbath in Paradise.'" And then President Bush added, "Ozzy, Mom loves your stuff."Uhhh....Mr. Prez? Are you okay?

Basking in their new found, mainstream acceptance and adoration, Oz and family have appeared on such notables as Jay Leno’s The Tonight Show and a special one hour "Meet the Osbournes" 20/20 with Barbara Walters.

Remember Dan Quayle? The former vice-president, who went ballistic because TV’s Murphy Brown had a baby out of wedlock. When asked his opinion of The Osbournes, Quayle replied The Osbournes were "good entertainment" and "good family values". Dan did you somehow miss the episode where Oz puts condoms in his teenagers drawers so they can have "safe sex"? Or when Oz gives his teenagers (Kelly 18 and Jack 15) some "fatherly advice" as they’re going out for the night, "If you have sex use a condom". Or the zillion occurrences of the F-word. . . Plus the other quad-trillion vulgarities and perverse conversations. Good entertainment. . . Good family values. . . God help us. . .



"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil;. . ." Isaiah 5:20

FOR THE REST OF THE STORY. . .

While the media is romancing Ozzy with prestigious awards and accolades there’s another side of the Oz that they’ve somehow skipped. It is the evil and dark testimony of a man who truly "sold his soul for rock ‘n roll" down a wicked dark path of drugs, debauchery, the occult and demon-possession.

As Paul Harvey would say, "Now, for the rest of the story".






IN THE BEGINNING. . .
OZZY AND BLACK SABBATH

Ozzy’s claim to fame was the lead singer of the heavy metal group Black Sabbath. Singing songs filled with doom, evil, the occult, Satan and destruction, Black Sabbath’s music has been appropriately referred to as "Satan Rock".

Sabbath’s music is described as ". . .demonic riffing . . . ." (Guitar World, July 2001, p. 62),

possessing a ". . . demonic nature. . ." (Guitar Legends, No. 37, p. 32)

and

". . . a fascination with evil and the devil. . ." (Circus, May 31, 1984, p. 59)

Making sure no one could possibly misinterpret their pro-Devil and anti-Christ message, Sabbath’s first album portrayed a demonic witch on the cover and in the inside the cross of Jesus Christ upside-down. The universal symbol of Satanism and anti-Christianity.

Sabbath’s song N.I.B. (Nativity In Black), from their first album, is one of the most openly satanic songs ever recorded. It is a love-song from Lucifer. In the song, Ozzy sings in the first person as a loving, gift-giving Lucifer. . . And Ozzy, a.k.a Lucifer, openly invites the listener to "take Lucifer’s hand".

* * (Note: I will try to paste the lyrics later on if I have time)* *


Their namesake song Black Sabbath, in which Ozzy sings of a smiling Satan appearing as a black shape with eyes of fire, was taken from an actual, demonic visitation of Sabbath bassist Geezer Butler.

"Having borrowed a 16th century tome [book] of black magic from [Ozzy] Osbourne one afternoon, Butler awoke that night to find a black shape staring balefully at him from the foot of his bed. After a few frightening moments, the figure slowly vanished into thin air. . . I told Ozzy about it. It stuck in his mind, and when we started playing ‘Black Sabbath,’ he just came out with those lyrics. . . It had to come out, and it eventually did in that song and then there was only one possible name for the band, really!’"

(Geezer Butler, Guitar World, July 2001, p. 67)




"I'd sort of dabbled in Black Magic, not practicing it, but I was interested in it. All these horrible things kept happening to me – a lot of my aunts and uncles started dying and I was seeing all these bloody things visiting me during the night."
(Geezer, Seconds, #39, pp. 63-64)

"I was seeing all kinds of things at the time, and not through drugs,’ Butler reveals. ‘Ever since I was a kid, I’d have premonitions and weird things would appear to me.’"
(Geezer Butler, Guitar World, July 2001, p. 67)

"Geezer’s encounters with the supernatural continued. During recording of Sabbath Bloody Sabbath in Bel Air, the bassist felt an ominous presence fill his bedroom. He looked up to see several specters glaring at him from above with overpowering effect. Awash with fear, he immediately awakened Bill, Tony, and Ozzy to tell them what has happened. Geezer soon discovered that all of his fellow bandmates had experienced similar events. . . To Sabbath it was obvious that a dark, ominous cloud was looming over them."
(Black Sabbath: The Ozzy Osbourne Years, p. 19)


Bill Ward, drummer for Sabbath, admits there was a supernatural presence that inspired Sabbath. It was so real that Ward confesses, it was as if there was actually a "fifth member" in the group.

"I believe that Black Sabbath was a phenomenon. On that basis, when I look back now at the band, I have felt that there was a fifth member, if you like. . . So I've always considered that there was some way where we were able to channel energy, and that energy was able to be, from another source, if you like, like a higher power or something, that was actually doing the work. I've often thought of us just being actually just the earthly beings that played the music because it was uncanny. Some of this music came out extremely uncanny."
(Mike Stark, Black Sabbath An Oral History, p. 6)

Sabbath’s album "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" displays on the cover demons possessing a man while a skull with Satan’s "mark of the beast" 666 beams across the top. One of their album’s was truthful titled, "We Sold Our Soul for Rock and Roll".

The most frightening and enlightening statement concerning Black Sabbath’s real beliefs was made by drummer Bill Ward in Circus magazine:

"We’re into God," defended Iommi, an avid reader on books on astral projection. ‘But sometimes I feel Satan is God.’ Ward countered."
(Circus, May 31, 1984, p. 59)

Much, much more could be said about Black Sabbath and Satan’s influence.
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Rubia Warren
May 26th 2003, 09:14 PM
Got Blood?

Rubia Warren
May 26th 2003, 09:15 PM
Here is a poster from one of the Ozzfest concerts:

Rubia Warren
May 26th 2003, 09:16 PM
I think this is the album cover from one of his more recent cds:

Rubia Warren
May 26th 2003, 09:17 PM
another pretty picture:

Rubia Warren
May 26th 2003, 09:18 PM
(I don't remember what this is..... oh, I hope it's something that has to do with Ozzy! LOL)

Rubia Warren
May 27th 2003, 08:39 AM
:doh: No one has anything to say about this? Oh, come on! :teeth:

Dilton
May 27th 2003, 11:43 PM
wow, you figured out tha Ozzy Osbourne is satanist.

Just kidding. Yeah I like Ozzy (some of his albums) and other songs, but I don´t like old Black Sabbath much. And I knew he was satanic and all, but I just have fun with the songs and the crazy vocals from Ozzy, cause he sings like no other.

yxboom
May 27th 2003, 11:51 PM
Mama I'm coming home is pretty suave. :hrm:

Rubia Warren
May 27th 2003, 11:53 PM
:doh: Oh....my....goodness...... I was beginning to think you were all playing a joke on me and not replying just to mess with me!!! LOL
Haha Actually, I DID just realize he was a satanist.....don't ask me where I was all that time, I have no idea! I had heard things in the 80s, bits and pieces, but paid no attention. I figured people were just making something out of nothing, and I figured he used the upside down crosses and stuff just as a gimmick. I didn't pay much attention, I never really got into his music or anything. I liked some other heavy metal groups and stuff, but never could get into Ozzy (plus, my favorite bands at the time were Oingo Boingo and Depeche Mode...... that should tell you how far I was into the hard stuff! Hehe)

Rubia Warren
May 27th 2003, 11:55 PM
Today @ 10:51 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=109629#post109629)
yxboom:

Mama I'm coming home is pretty suave. :hrm:



:poke: Alright, I'll give ya that one. It was okay.

yxboom
May 27th 2003, 11:55 PM
<~~was a rastafarian growing up

Rubia Warren
May 27th 2003, 11:56 PM
I DO have to admit...... I watch The Osbournes quite frequently..... it's kinda like watching a train wreck...........

yxboom
May 27th 2003, 11:58 PM
:eek:

I don't have cable so I have no clue what goes on MTv

Rubia Warren
May 28th 2003, 12:03 AM
:eek: <---------- is right. I wish I didn't have cable.

yxboom
May 28th 2003, 12:04 AM
You're forced to have it :huh:

Rubia Warren
May 28th 2003, 12:15 AM
:shrug: Kind of..... my husband wants it.

Ignatius J. Reilly
May 28th 2003, 03:16 PM
Ozzy is a christian, duh, he wears crosses!

graceinme
May 29th 2003, 08:00 PM
What saddens me the most, is that kids are looking at this stuff and getting desensitized. I know sooo many people who wanted to be like those guys when I was a kid, let alone now adays when it is even more acceptable to be a satan worshiper. When I was a missionary in Hollywood, we went up into the hills where a lot of occults sacrifice and do their rituals. It is really sad. You can actually see remnants and dead carcases all over. Pretty sad. It is one thing for some one to hate themselves so bad and turn to that perversion, but it sickens me when you have people like Ozzy and many other bands who push it off on the young and innocent.

Sher
May 29th 2003, 10:10 PM
I agree Grace. I think it is just another sad commentary on our society.

Em7add11
May 29th 2003, 10:49 PM
I read an interesting story in a guitar magazine about Ozzy and his bandmates having found an old book of spells written in Latin. The drummer woke up later that night and there was a black hooded figure at the foot of his bed and it had the book in his hands. The figure saw that the drummer was awake and just walked towards the window and disappeared. He called Ozzy to let him know "Satan came and took the book!" You'd think that would scare them away from the occult or at least make them more cautious....apparently not.

Rubia Warren
May 30th 2003, 09:35 AM
When I saw what they were saying in these quotes, I was floored. Like I said before, I didn't know it was that deep, I just thought it was some kind of gimmick......looks like the devil hasn't been too good to Ozzy anymore.....he is now barely coherent.

Rubia Warren
May 30th 2003, 09:36 AM
Yesterday @ 07:00 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=112142#post112142)
graceinme:

What saddens me the most, is that kids are looking at this stuff and getting desensitized. I know sooo many people who wanted to be like those guys when I was a kid, let alone now adays when it is even more acceptable to be a satan worshiper. When I was a missionary in Hollywood, we went up into the hills where a lot of occults sacrifice and do their rituals. It is really sad. You can actually see remnants and dead carcases all over. Pretty sad. It is one thing for some one to hate themselves so bad and turn to that perversion, but it sickens me when you have people like Ozzy and many other bands who push it off on the young and innocent.

Good post. I give you 5 pearls!!

graceinme
May 30th 2003, 08:11 PM
I watched a behind the music series on VH1 a few years back about another band who went on tour with Ozzy, and they said that the whole tour consisted of drugs and chicks. Then the band member laughed and said that one time Ozzy was sooo stoned that he stopped on the side of the road and took out a straw and snorted ants up his nose. I can't remember who the band was.... maybe Motley Crew, or some other metal group. But He said Ozzy was the craziest guy he ever met. That explains the lack of brain cells.

graceinme
May 30th 2003, 08:12 PM
Thanks for the pearls La Rubes!

geebob
June 2nd 2003, 12:24 PM
George W. Bush is said to be one of Osbourne's biggest fans

there's two explanations for the facination in ozzy by the fogies...besides the curiosity of his recent show (I still haven't seen one).

For dubya, it's probabably back to his wild college and highschool days. And like the majority of fans, he probably takes the satanism as a gimmic.

I don't doubt for many heavy metal bands, it very well could be a gimmick, and that's what a lot of semi retired middle aged rock stars want us to believe (you can see them promote this in the bonus material of the Little Nicky DVD). I'm inclined to think that for some of them, that's the real explanation, and for others, it's a load of bm. I mean, common, the anti-establishment wants to console the establishment. Not to mention that they wouldn't want masses of people running out to burn their albums. And another reason they'd be dishonest on that account, Satanists value dishonesty.

For alot of other folks, it's no doubt akin to my mom saying that she likes rap. I can't stand it when she says that. she hasn't listened to more than five minutes of rap in her life and it is no doubt the all purpose educators rap; "my name is hue and I'm here to say..."<folds arms and unfolds them repeatedly>

It's just old people trying to be hip.

dawnghost
June 13th 2003, 04:28 PM
AHA! this thread is cool, one of the greatest I've ever read here in TWeb!

I never knew all those things about Ozzy, and I used to listen to Black Sabbath a LOT. I always found Ozzy's voice haunting, very very creepy and I loved that.

I stopped listening to Ozzy when I read the lyrics to "NIB".


you should take a look at what's "hip" nowadays in the metal scene, with bands such as Dark Funeral, Emperor and Cradle of Filth.

to give you people a taste of it: Dark Funeral has an album called "teach children to worship satan".

graceinme
June 14th 2003, 01:43 PM
:shy:

dawnghost
June 14th 2003, 05:59 PM
Today @ 06:43 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=122889#post122889)
graceinme:

:shy:

?

graceinme
June 14th 2003, 07:36 PM
Today @ 02:59 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=123045#post123045)
dawnghost:



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This generation scares me so much. I am only 33, but feel like 88. Anything bad or evil is good. Then Mel Gibson is considered bad because he wants to make a movie about Christ's last hours. I feel like Alice. Everything is back wards.

dawnghost
June 15th 2003, 01:21 AM
Today @ 12:36 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=123150#post123150)
graceinme:
This generation scares me so much. I am only 33, but feel like 88. Anything bad or evil is good. Then Mel Gibson is considered bad because he wants to make a movie about Christ's last hours. I feel like Alice. Everything is back wards.

I know exactly what you mean.
Can I go kinda deeper here?

alright hmmm... what amazes me the most is that the whole bunch of heavy metal bands nowadays just have this... misconception of what being a christian is all about. Well, not only the heavy metal bands, I'd go for most of the people I know.

For example, in the song "The Loss and Curse of Reverence", by the band that is considered to be King of Black Metal, named "Emperor", you have these verses:

"Honour
Commended no longer as virtue
Yet shalt be extolled at light's demise

By the fallen one I shall arise

Believer
Speak not to me of justice
For none have I ever seen
By God, I shall give as I receive
Betrayer
Speak not to me at all
You and this world ripped my f****** heart out

Again... and again... and again"


so let me check these. I'd say the man behind these lyrics is not EVIL. It's a misconception. What he truly hates is not the christians, the true ones, but the ones who call themselves christians, but indulge in wrong acts. But he then generalizes, and that's his mistake.

When he says "by God, I shall give as I receive", what's he trying to say? That since he hasn't seen justice, he'll make it by his own hands. And then you have that whole story of satanism blablabla.

I was talking to a friend about that, and about the Lex Talionis, and how it was practiced by the state, and not by the common man, and that Jesus didn't actually come to abolish the law, but to tell us to stop trying to make justice with our own hands and just love our fellow man. He was very surprised.

Nowadays, with all the televangelists, and the so many churches that rise only to take people's money and give them mysticism instead of doctrine, I don't think it's hard to generalize. So, while I agree that their message IS very dangerous to young minds, that tend to listen and think "yeah, the christians are filth", what you actually have in lyrics like that is a conception of misanthropy, and not of anti-christianism.

But since they start from the wrong perspective, what can be more anti-christian then... ummm... satan? That's usually the easy, obvious answer.

Satan can be so deceiving eh? When they actually hate the Dark Dressed as Light, the Dark embraces them for wishing the Demise of Light.

just my two cents. :teeth:

graceinme
June 15th 2003, 02:19 PM
Very good perspective Dawnghost. I just keep thinking of the phrase Verbal Kent used in the USUAL SUSPECTS, (The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he didn't exist) I feel the reason people are accepting Satanism so freely now is because of the whole evolution aspect on life. If there is no God, then there is no devil, so why not worship something that seems so cool. Satan must be laughing his head off at this generation. He doesn't even have to work at getting souls anymore, this sinful generation will just walk to hell with a smile on their face. Whats really funny is how all the TV Evangelists blame satan for everything. There is a spirit for everything now. My Grandmother would swear that the reason my kids have cavities is because of the tooth spirit. Forget the fact my kids just eat to much junk. Anyways satan doesn't even have to work for the credit he is given.:no:

dawnghost
June 15th 2003, 04:10 PM
Today @ 07:19 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=123841#post123841)
graceinme:
Whats really funny is how all the TV Evangelists blame satan for everything. There is a spirit for everything now. My Grandmother would swear that the reason my kids have cavities is because of the tooth spirit. Forget the fact my kids just eat to much junk. Anyways satan doesn't even have to work for the credit he is given.

YES! YES! Exactly!

People don't learn to resolve what's causing their problem, they just blame something evil for it and pray (even if honestly) for deliverance of something that they could perfectly work out themselves!

People tend to say that God has good Marketing, with all the churches and stuff. But Satan's 'Market Share' keeps growing and growing.

graceinme
June 15th 2003, 07:52 PM
What are we going to do?:shrug: Ignorance is a disease and knowledge is extinct.:argh:

dawnghost
June 16th 2003, 12:14 AM
Today @ 12:52 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=124002#post124002)
graceinme:
What are we going to do?:shrug: Ignorance is a disease and knowledge is extinct.:argh:

Quality evangelizing! Not fast-food ones! :teeth:

AVmetro
June 16th 2003, 12:52 AM
I find it odd that some bands would want to "claim" satan or associate themselves with that theme. In the bible, demons and the like are always portrayed as begging and bowing before Christ :teeth:. Not exactly "threatening" to a Christian.

graceinme
June 16th 2003, 12:57 PM
Yesterday @ 09:52 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=124138#post124138)
IronMetro:

I find it odd that some bands would want to &quot;claim&quot; satan or associate themselves with that theme. In the bible, demons and the like are always portrayed as begging and bowing before Christ :teeth:. Not exactly &quot;threatening&quot; to a Christian.

See, as Christians we know that, but kids now a days don't go to church to find that out. We have a generation of single moms raising kids without supervision. Kids are lucky if mom isn't working on Sunday to go to church, and usually to tired to go. So these kids see this visible power of satanism and think satan is the strongest power. Christianity now a days is based on faith and feeling The Holy spirit within. The miracles are far and few between. So when these young kids see visual power of the demons they think it's the coolest thing. This is where Dawnghost has the right idea, evangelism as a strong teacher.

dawnghost
June 16th 2003, 01:01 PM
Today @ 05:57 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=124484#post124484)
graceinme:
This is where Dawnghost has the right idea

WOOHOO! I have the :ri: !!!!

graceinme
June 16th 2003, 01:16 PM
I have the :yx:

dawnghost
June 16th 2003, 01:18 PM
Today @ 06:16 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=124513#post124513)
graceinme:

I have the :yx:

You have the :yx: ? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

graceinme
June 16th 2003, 01:19 PM
:rofl:

dawnghost
June 16th 2003, 01:46 PM
Today @ 06:19 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=124518#post124518)
graceinme:

:rofl:

Ok, ok! I've been enlightened through the wonders of Private Messaging now!!

graceinme
June 16th 2003, 01:48 PM
You have the greatest smileys! Have some pearls!

dawnghost
June 16th 2003, 02:12 PM
Today @ 06:48 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=124547#post124547)
graceinme:

You have the greatest smileys! Have some pearls!

Yipee!