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LostChild
April 10th 2005, 06:08 PM
i'm wondering if i should post this story that i'm in the middle of writing so that i could get some pointers, opinions, and stuff like that. well, if anyone wants to put up with my rambling, and try to comprehend what the heck i'm trying to do, then please help me out with this! :teeth: then again, am i in the right place...? (i'm blonde, if that helps explain what little knowledge i retain of stuff) i might change the title later, but for now, that all i have...

i'm just copying and pasting what i already have saved on my computer, so if it comes up in chunks and segments that don't make sense, that's the reason why. :sun:

Chapter 1: Fitful Dreams

Kaylin woke with a start. She saw her mother’s face in the woods. She was smiling brightly as though the sun was stolen and placed on her brow, hers to keep for the rest of eternity and beyond. The rusty leaves on the forest floor seemed to chase her heels in a race across time. Suddenly the trees ceased their movements and a great green plain rolled on to meet the dawn. The daises and tulips were glittering like diamonds in the morning dew as they warmed their faces in the early sun.

Coming to a halt, Kaylin’s mother turned around, but it was too late. The roses surged out of the earth from nowhere and formed a cage about her, as she thrashed about as a rampaging dragon. Kaylin knew Mariee hated roses; her mother hated roses as if they were the root of all evil in the world.

Now Kaylin looked out the window and saw the lights in the sky. It was not yet day. Her dreams were growing worse, but never before had they woken her during the middle of the night. Making it so her cries were incoherent to keep her father, Albekcc, from waking, she stained her pillow with tears.

He still heard the weeping, despite her efforts, and softly crept into the room. She was asleep again on her wooden framed bed before he came to her door. Albekcc pulled the woolen blanket over her shoulders and stroked her auburn hair before turning to go back to bed. Albekcc was worried for his daughter. She was beginning to forget things that she knew were important. It was hard for him to have to raise Kaylin on his own, without the help of his beloved wife. There were things that Albekcc couldn’t teach Kaylin, only things that a mother could teach. Even Kaylin’s immediate female relatives would not be able to explain these things. Elves don’t forget things, but then again Kaylin wasn’t fully an elf. Her grandfather Traenkin was an elf, but her grandmother Gorgin was mortal. Albekcc wasn’t sure how to help his daughter; the mortality came from Mariee.

Kaylin’s birthday was in a month. She would be 33, the coming of age for elves. It was tradition for the mother to take the daughter and go to the Cliffs and find the peak called Mongrind; the dragons dwelled there. The oldest and wisest dragon was sought to tell the mother and daughter which egg would be given and where to find it.

The father would be the one to stay home and plan for a return party, giving the new adult whatever was wanted; it was a similar ritual for the men, but instead of the mother going it was the father. Kaylin was worried she would be the only one in the Klan that wouldn’t have an egg for this event; but was more sorrowed by the fact she didn’t have a mother to share the amazing event with.

Albekcc tried for many years not to worry about this time, but now that it had come he couldn’t push the thought to the side, away from his mind. Even though she always wanted a mother figure, Kaylin hadn’t said what it was she wanted from her father, and he hadn’t thought about or even made arrangements for the egg search.

Hours went by and he thought in silence on the flet of the tree, searching for a way to send Kaylin on her journey. At times he played with the thought of sending Gorgin, his mortal mother-in-law, but she was already too old even for her own race. He wished he could go with Kaylin to search, but who would tend to the festival? Even if someone else were willing, he would be the main course for the hatchlings of the first dragon he met. It wasn’t permitted for a father to take his daughter, as is a mother can’t take her son.

It was possible, with coaxing, that Limbar would take her cousin up to Mongrind, but Arshtec could do the same. Arshtec was willing to do anything for her great granddaughter and more.

Albekcc would talk to both of them that week and see what could be done. But right now he would sleep. Kaylin was peacefully dreaming, as peaceful as soft waves on the shore. She had not had a decent night’s sleep since Albekcc could remember. He couldn’t bear to wake her, even to greet the coming sun.

Iktovian
April 10th 2005, 09:16 PM
i think it is okay:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
I dunno what else to say:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
well, i think it is quite a good example of its genre:ahem::ahem::ahem::ahem::ahem::ahem::ahem::ahem::ahem::ahem::ahem:
I am just maybe not so fond of the authours you seem to be drawing on as i used to be:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lo l::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Here. Say somthing about my stuff (if you don't mind):blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush ::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::bl ush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush:

I begin
<DIV>i wish for eyes
<DIV>eyes of yellow eyes of blue
<DIV>eyes that see straight into you
<DIV>those eyes will know what is not true
<DIV>eyes of black traced like a tree
<DIV>eyes as black as any eyes could ever be
<DIV>always they bend he and she
<DIV>eyes of grey yet also green
<DIV>those eyes mismatched can slice between
<DIV>two worlds
the worlds faded away in his head. He had just missed
a chance, and he was sure he would miss all others.
Every time he started to feel that he was
understanding what was around him he realised that he
was curled up alon in the dark. All of him wondered
why he was this way. and he wondered why he was caged
when so many others seemed to be free and to therby be
able to understand in an instand what took him years
to make out. He was very afraid that someon would see
his cage and hated anyone who seemed as if they could.
But at the same time he wished much more that someone
would see the cage and him inside and tear him free
with never a word about how the cage was mad though
the rescuer would know all about it.
A sunflower, large as his face, and yellow as the sun,
slipped through the bars. He picked it up. As he
breathed on it, it withered. He tried to hold it up,
but he crushed it. He threw it away, and it cut his
hand. He licked his cut, and looked at the squashed
blossom for a long time. The flower was the most
beuatifil thing he had seen in a year yet he was now
more sad than he had ever been in that time. The
flower seemed less real than all the dark and foul
things about him, but he looked at it until it faded
to dust. He knew that the flower did not belong in it
cage but he could not see it where it belonged without
seeing and feeling what was around him ever more
clearly. Around him was a cage that gouged the body
and crazed the eyes. He was always trying to forget
this. Usually he tried to forget by trying to make
others as he was, or by shaking their bars and
shouting: "HA! You are caged! And you put yourself
there. Who would come near anyone so useless?" and
other similar words. But he was so feeble that usually
all he could do was wish that he was able to do these
things.


Like all the people in the desert, which was his country, he was caged by iron and tortured by thirst. Their cages were small and close barred, some more than others. Few of these people could move their cages very far and then only downhill. The desert was made of dull yellow sand and rusty jagged sandstone. Only the ants were happy there, but the caged people could not move away. Some of them wished they could escape but they had little idea of how they could. Many others saw the idea of escape as ludicrous. They found the idea of there being anything at all outside their cage irresistibly funny. Some denied the essential reality of an “outside” not because they had no concept of it but because the idea is so disturbing that it could not thought of. Most people were more pragmatic. This meant that while they were quite open to the idea of “somewhere else” the felt that trying to escape was a rather silly distraction from making their cage as comfortable as possible. Also they would ask: “what would give us shade if our cages were not here?” though their cages did even this badly. They could see and hear very little outside their cages. All their knowledge of the outside comes from the sand (and very few other things) that drift through the bars, and sometimes an indistinct shout from those near to them. At night their bodies lay still while their ghosts floated up into the sky above their desert, where they collided with one another and grasped at the wind. The skill they valued above all was to be able to catch the wind with one’s ghostly body so that one floats away from the cage below and gather dust and moths’ wings and other things that floated on the wind. But they weight of what they gathered only made them sink faster towards their cages at dawn.

As all were thirsty all of them had their own ideas on how best to seeking and avoid water. Some of made do with lapping up rain and dew drop by drop as it settled on their cages. Others held that to drink at all was a fatal weakness that could lead to dangerous water-dependency. The only really safe way to stay alive, these people said, was to break into a cactus (a difficult and uncomfortable operation) and slurp at the mush inside. By consuming this acidic slime they claimed that eventually they would become as self-sufficient and indestructible as the very cacti they destroyed. Many people would not admit their thirst, and very few felt comfortable using such an essentially problematic term out loud without some comforting cloak of euphemism. To speak of it to a passing ghost was considered rather indelicate. It was feared that too much strengthening of the person beneath would hamper the ghost above in its nightly flutter in pursuit of windborne leaves and the like. The job of the person, therefore, was to exist, not in a way which was too healthy so that it caused instability and distraction, but mundanely and reliably painful so that the swoops and wriggles of the ghost above could be easily predicted as they corresponded to the personal gripes and tremors of the person below and the equally unremarkable agonies of many thousands of others. Of course, if the ghost-supporting individual was too frail and parched its demise could cause the sudden a very likely catastrophic exit of a key ghost in the nocturnal dust games. This meant that to effect the wind-based achievement of long to medium term dust-relevant objectives, and to demonstrate the commitment of the sand-supported individual to upholding the allototal core values of the ghost-constituted debris-collecting team, and concurrently to effect the establishment and clarification of key rubbish-calibrated goals, in the process making robust acknowledgement of the essential synergistic meaningfulness in all spheres of this vital activity, weekly moisture absorption, appropriately monitored and contaminated by they rituals relevant to each geographical sector, was encouraged.

Like a few others he had a gap (how the gap got there will be explained in the chapter on his childhood. I have just started on this bit and will have to redo it as at the moment it does not fit with the rest of the story- sdb) in his cage through that could let in water and light and even let him out but he stayed inside. This was because iron had seeped into his bones through the water he lapped off the cage bars and made him wizened and shrivelled with long ingrown teeth and claws which were good only to slash himself and become tangled in his surroundings and heavy clumsy feet and a backbone that would not straighten and that yet could not be twisted through the narrow gap. Also his hair was long and thick and it caught many things on the wind so that he valued it greatly though it stopped him as much as the iron from leaving its cage. He could never have let it go. Neither could he have let the iron go because when his hair caught nothing but only tangled in the bars and he saw how clearly how hopeless his ghost was at pulling things from the air and he was to ashamed to float up and face the ridicule of his fellows the only thing left to him was the iron in his bones and the pain it gave and he was sure that without it he would simply be nothing.


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LostChild
April 11th 2005, 09:47 AM
wow! and you wrote all that? that's awesome! i try to be detailed in my work, but for some reason, dialogue comes easier with me.

Iktovian
April 12th 2005, 01:59 AM
the only thing that seems to allow me to be detailed is to write about what seems to be real
also the above is the second draft of something I started back in january
i cannot do dialoge for squashed chick peas
I do not see too much dialouge in your peice
Is that because you are scene-setting?

iktovian,

(redeemer of the undead)

LostChild
April 12th 2005, 02:10 AM
ya, i'm trying to set the tone and the scene. as it goes though, there is a lot more dialouge than discriptiveness. i think its because sometimes i can see what i want to write, and so i describe what i'm seeing, but most of the time, i can't see anything, and i just play with the dialouge. well, i don't even know if i'll go through a second draft at the rate i'm going... i'm trying to write it, get people's opinions on it, and then i'll go through when i'm done writing it and make a second draft. i'm just a procrastinator, and hate to make second, or third drafts. what a lazy bum i am, huh? :teeth: can't wait to read more of your's, but until then, here's more of mine. ^_^


Kaylin broke the silence of the morning meal on the balcony of the flet, “I had a dream about mom again last night.”

Not wanting to bring up the memory of his wife but wanting to know of it, Albekcc tried to change subjects. “Tell me,” he pretended not to hear the statement, “what is it that you want me to get you for your coming of age?”

“Why did mom hate roses?” Kaylin asked as if she were talking to herself. She looked out the window, and her eyes glazed as she stared off into nothing.

“She didn’t like the thorns, nor did she enjoy the smell,” he stated unable to change the topic. “Why do you ask?”

“Were daises and tulips her favorite flowers?” Kaylin’s pale green eyes searched Albekcc’s face, but his deep-sea blue eyes fell away.

“Yes they were,” he tried to hold back the mist. “We planted them around her tomb.” A tear rolled down his left check; opposite the one facing Kaylin.

“There were tulips, roses, and daises in my dream last night,” Kaylin was speaking soft and slow, like the sprinkles of spring over a pond. “Mom was there too. She was running through a forest and when she came, it turned into a beautiful flowery; then the roses caught her.”

This was sore for him to stand; it was too agonizing to listen to, so Albekcc tried again. “You still haven’t told me what it is you want this year. This is you coming of age, I have to get you something.”


“You sound desperate dad, but I don’t know what I want.” Kaylin looked off onto the horizon that had chased away the bleak night. Then after a moment’s pause, “I want to be able to see the dawns of time; to be able to eat the first apple of the first tree; to see the future and what it brings,” she paused for a moment and softly, inaudibly, “I want to remember mom.”

Her face started to glisten as tears dropped from her chin. All her hopes and dreams revolved around that one thought, the thought of her mother. Kaylin wanted to remember her mother in order to keep those dreams.

None of these things could be given by Albekcc, none of them. “There are so many things I wish I could give you, even if it meant dying for you, but no matter how hard I wish it to happen, it can’t be done.” Albekcc tried to move on to the subject of the party. He choked back a fountain of tears.

“Do you think it would be okay if Arshtec or Limbar could take you up to Mongrind? I could always see if anyone else will do it, but they are the first two candidates,” he finally asked the question on his mind after a moment of gathering himself back together. He felt that it was easier to breathe now that it had finally been asked.

Her tears hadn’t lessened, but they also did not grow. “Limbar would be my first choice from your family, but I also want Jerania from mom’s family.”

“Your aunt?” Albekcc exclaimed, his face filled with dismay.

“What’s wrong with Jerania?” said Kaylin, her father’s despair stunned her.

“I don’t have a problem with her taking you, its just that she lives in Brimeheart, and we’re here in Halfvestine. That’s a long way, even for a dragon.”

“There is still 9 months until I am supposed to leave. She could get here in time.” A fire seemed to grow in Kaylin’s eyes.

“Half a year to send word, for her to send word back, and then leave? It’s possible, but it might not happen.” There are eighteen months in a year for the elves.

“You just wanted to hear my opinion and I gave it.” She walked away from the balcony down the slender ivory steps and into the garden beside the stream.

Iktovian
April 12th 2005, 02:40 AM
the way my second drafts happen is i handwrite my first and then type it out and as i type it it changes
I have most of another section about the guy in his cage, half a one about his childhood, and a whole other section about a face he sees through a gap into another world, all hand written.
I will type the face bit next. it is a bit overdone and adjective-laden at the moment
that is because the face has been in my mind for two years now so I could not quite write all i felt. but i had a shot at it. i did some of the writing at a rock concert with people playing cricket in the pit in front of me as the sun came over my shoulder and burned my knees (i was trying to ignore pete murray who cannot quite keep up with his supporting band)
I may get it typed tommorow but thankyou for your stuff. I have only 2 other people to sort of work with on this and for different reasons they are both sort of difficult.

Do you have any definite idea of what is going to happen next in your tale?

I have some ideas for mine but not msuch very clear or satisfactory.

signed,

Iktovian,

(morose one)

Iktovian
April 12th 2005, 02:48 AM
oh and here as a stop-gap is the best I can do at dialouge:
(it all actually happened to me a couple of weeks ago)

On toosdey i saw de spazzys
de did a free luncktime gig
de stood still on stage
de is a plesantly loud and silly girl pop-punk trio
there crash stand wus missin zo they had a guy sittin behind anp wiv a cymbal propped aginst is leg so theer preroxide drummer could hit it
they said it was f---ing arkwrd but not to be f---ing afraid to f---ing clap especilly for poor f---ing richard the f---ing bit of f---ing human f---ing drum kit
then they lead gitarist (dey awl sing but de drummer less than de udders) ruffled r's hair. He wus so deadickadead dat he didnt ivin duk. n did that to me unce when I wus lookin a little doon. @ the time et wus worse than f trippin over my bare toes a moment before. on wednesday there wusanuter free pefurmur. He was jus one guy in maroon velvet wiv country gitar & specs & insatialble grin. i only heard his last song (i missed his neme & album neme tu but i has heard him on de Js I think)
de soong went like :

megan the vegan
doestnt like meant
(he forgot the next line so he went into did thang whar hee kipt stroomin & tawkin):
we didn't get on very well whin we were toghter I put a beatles poster & she said it was naff and I dint complain about the the self-referntial gothic child-porn she had in the toilet and the picleked rabbits and rodent parts she hung around thge loungeroom because I knew that if I did she would fill the house with stuff like it pictureses of a postmodern alice in wonderland squatting in a dark forest doing a poo in a sexual manner and bits of distresst dead crab in jars on shevels so the lounge room wus solid whith the stuff and she is part of this real hardcore vegan goth anarchist gruppe and their like yar were so with the scene and sydney undergound and f--- the new world order and were so edgy and put blank ads in street press like nobody sees and we have weird sound explosion experiments in factory carparks at 0213 and I'm just an unemployed country mucian trying to get by
(and then he started rapping against vegans in a breif but very wonerful manner so that many people laughed very hard and he had tried to lead people in claping along but everytime they started he taught them a different way of doing it so that soon they could not clap for laughing and told us that digrees were of no great importance in the real sceme of things whereas the spazzys had just said that they had dropped out of school and that we should escape while we could)

Iktovian
April 12th 2005, 02:50 AM
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LostChild
April 12th 2005, 03:08 AM
cool! i liked it, but couldn't tell where the dialouge was. some of the stuff i could tell wasn't meant to be dialouge by the tone or whatever ya wanna call it, but these things " " really help when showing what people r saying. you probably already knew that, so now i'm gonna look like a fool, but since when have i not looked like a fool? ^_^

if you call second drafts the typing part, then ya, i've done second drafts on mine. but what my teacher calls second drafts is basically re-wording the whole thing... o well. ^_^

if what you mean by "next" is the next chapter, then ya. i'm in the middle of writing chapter 6. i sort of know how i want it to end, but its more like a "to be continued..." if it works out the way i've got it planned. the hard part is coming up with stuff to put in the middle, and that's one thing i might need help with; ideas. ^_^

well, it's like, 12:00 am here, and i have to wake up in 6 hours. so i'll ttyl! ^_^

Iktovian
April 12th 2005, 03:15 AM
when I type, it all changes
the first chunk, for example, changed from first to third person
you do not look silly talking about '' ''
i always hated authors who did not use them (tim winton etc) but i cannot manage to fit them in well myself
maybe it is because im a lousy conversationalist
it is 1713 here in newcastle uni library
it will be 15 hours before i wake up

Minnesota
April 12th 2005, 03:45 AM
Kaylin woke with a start. She saw her mother’s face in the woods. She was smiling brightly as though the sun was stolen and placed on her brow, hers to keep for the rest of eternity and beyond.

YOUR FIRST TWO SENTENCES ARE TOO ABRUPT. AND ALONG WITH THE THIRD, THEY HAVE BEGUN TO BORE: "she (KAYLIN) woke" "she saw..." "she was..." THREE "SHE"S IN A ROW NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. TRY TO INCORPORATE THE 2ND AND 3RD INTO ONE SENTENCE, DELETING "hers---beyond." IT'S NOT CLEAR WHO IS SMILING BRIGHTLY. ALSO, YOU'RE WRITING IN THE PASSIVE TENSE, TRY MAKING IT MORE ACTIVE. THE IMAGE OF THE SUN SITTING ON HER BROW IS A BIT TOO ODD, AND "ETERNITY AND BEYOND" IS AN ILLOGICAL OVERSTATEMENT THAT DRAWS ATTENTION TO ITSELF.

Kaylin woke with a start. Spotting her mother’s face in the woods, she smiled brightly as though an elected ray of sun had blessed her brow for all time.

The rusty leaves on the forest floor seemed to chase her heels in a race across time.

WHAT JUST HAPPENED? KAYLIN JUST WOKE UP AND NOW SHE'S RUNNING THROUGH THE WOODS. OR IS IT HER MOTHER THAT'S RUNNING? THIS NEEDS TO BE MADE CLEAR. LEAVES ARE NOT RUSTY. HOW ABOUT, "The rustling leaves. . . ." WHAT IS A "RACE ACROSS TIME"? ALONG WITH "chase" YOU ARE PAINTING A VERY ACTION PACKED IMAGE, WHICH IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH WAKING UP, SMILING BRIGHTLY, AND THE SUN RESTING ON HER BROW. YOUR IMAGES ARE IN CONFLICT A BIT.

Suddenly the trees ceased their movements and a great green plain rolled on to meet the dawn.

"MOVEMENTS" IS WEAK AND UNINTERESTING. DESCRIBE THE MOVEMENT. HOW DOES A PLAIN ROLL TO MEET SOMETHING? IF ANYTHING, IT WOULD BE THE DAWN THAT MOVED. YOU ALSO HAVE THE READER WONDERING, WHAT "great green plain"? ALL YOU SAY IS "A" G.G. PLAIN ROLLED. IF IT'S IN THE VICINITY OF KAYLIN THEN CONNECT THE TWO.


Suddenly the trees ceased swaying, and the great green plain that lay before her began loosing its chill with the approach of dawn.

The daises and tulips were glittering like diamonds in the morning dew as they warmed their faces in the early sun.

Coming to a halt, Kaylin’s mother turned around, but it was too late. The roses surged out of the earth from nowhere and formed a cage about her, as she thrashed about as a rampaging dragon. Kaylin knew Mariee hated roses; her mother hated roses as if they were the root of all evil in the world.

YOU SAY THE ROSE CAME FROM THE EARTH, AND THEN YOU SAY SAY THEY CAME FROM NOWHERE. IF YOU MEAN UNEXPECTEDLY, CONVEY THAT THOUGHT. HOW DID THE ROSES FORM A CAGE? DESCRIBE HOW THEY DID THIS. THRASHING ABOUT "AS" IS TOO INDEFINITE, THE READER IS WAITING FOR MORE INFORMATION. "as she thrashed about like a rampaging dragon." WHO IS MARIEE? IF IT'S THE MOTHER THIS NEEDS TO BE ESTABLISHED. "in the world" IS SUPERFLUOUS.

Now Kaylin looked out the window and saw the lights in the sky. It was not yet day. Her dreams were growing worse, but never before had they woken her during the middle of the night. Making it so her cries were incoherent to keep her father, Albekcc, from waking, she stained her pillow with tears.

"NOW" IS SELDOM A GOOD WAY TO START A SENTENCE, PARTICULARLY WHEN USED IN THIS MANNER. WHAT LIGHTS? THE STARS? IF YOU USE "night sky" OR "early morning sky" YOU CAN GET RID OF, "It was not yet day." REWORD THE LAST SENTENCE, AS IT STANDS IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

I know I've gotten into the nitty gritty a bit, but you have a nice piece of writing going on here a it deserves to be as good as it can be. Keep up the good work.

Best piece of advice: try to steer away from the passive tense--I know it's hard to do--let things act on others, rather than have things acted upon.

Iktovian
April 12th 2005, 04:23 AM
maybe lc is trying obscurity for its own sake
the main value of this peice seems to me to be in its tangled imagery
chopping it up and rewriting it seems a little disrespectful

Minnesota
April 12th 2005, 01:08 PM
maybe lc is trying obscurity for its own sake
Maybe, but if so, why? Other than a pointless exercise--it's not at all difficult to be obscure--what end would be served by being obscure for its own sake?
the main value of this peice seems to me to be in its tangled imagery
Okay, but within that imagery the rules of composition and exposition still need to be heeded.
chopping it up and rewriting it seems a little disrespectful
And it well might be if LostChild had not asked for help.
i'm wondering if i should post this story that i'm in the middle of writing so that i could get some pointers, opinions, and stuff like that. well, if anyone wants to put up with my rambling, and try to comprehend what the heck i'm trying to do, then please help me out with this!

LostChild
April 13th 2005, 10:10 AM
well, i'm up for reading anyone's work they're writing. i probably won't be much help, seeing as how i'm asking for help with mine, but i can do my best. ^_^

Iktovian
April 13th 2005, 11:51 AM
I rekon you can put to good use any veiw no matter how stupid
I agree with what min says in #11 about "silver wings or something like that"
but it annoyed me for this reason, which I am starting to feel driven to drop out:
and that is that I find this kind of tale (about good, passionate people trying to verbalise and generally deal with their churning emotions) so essentially loathesome (i can explain why at lenght but I could not do it breifly without being maybe a little offensive), that I want the imagery to be obscure and illogical just to distract me from the characters.
If min has a tale I would like to see it but i might flame it too it it irritaties me.
no-one has bothered to say anything unkind about my stuf yet

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LostChild
April 16th 2005, 03:37 AM
am i supposed to edit yours? it all seemed pretty good to me, but i'm terrible with grammar, spelling, and punctuation, which is why i've been asking for help. i understand your anger with no one really. if ya don't wanna keep reading, then don't. i totally don't blame you. i could always have this thread cancelled though. no hard feelings really. ^_^

Iktovian
April 19th 2005, 05:21 AM
no hard feelings either
the smileys don't mean anything. i just want to get a bit of a reaction and establish an idientity
and please don't close the thread. most people aren't interested in this kind of thing.
spelling ain't hugley important at this stage
to improve grammar and punctution the best thing to do is to read a lot of stuff by slyistic masters. this will help your general style or at least give you an awareness of when you are stuffing up. be warned that it is very hard to find fantasy which is any better than mediocore styleistically (and much as i love tolkein, he is not great here). most fantasy is in very bad style. two of the worst examples are the wheel of time series and my stuff above. try and find authours who love and respect the language and make it beautiful. usually what these people write is called lituriture. it does not have to be old but usually is. when it is good enough you can learn to read it maybe a bit slowly and enjoy the way some thing is being said as well as what is being said. i am not really up to explaining the way style and rythm works and you may already know all this. you may find some textbook or something that is helpful. but it does help to use a dictionary for spelling and exact meaning. thesaurues are good to but are often a waste of time. but you should get a copy of "fowlers modern english usage" and use it. it will explain bits of grammar and so on. also fowler was a good stlist (my 6th misspelling of that word?) himself. to finish, if you read enough dense stuff by dead brits your grammar and punctuation will fix themselves to a large degree, and you will learn a load of other stuff, some of which you may find mildly interesting. but to improve you need to read a variety of good stuff. most pop media is bad for writing. also don't find one great writer, fall in love wiht their stuff and coppy their stlye without really meaning to. a lot of published withers do this with hemingway. or at least when someone copies his stlye it is obvious. if you must copy someone let it be someone with more subtlety. the poblem with the stlye of poeple like hemingway and clive lewis or jack london is that it only works if you have somthing important to say, and even those guys often did not.

i don't mean to be confusing or condesending but i hoped i could be helpful.
if u don't understand somthing i can try to clarify

my fave writer at the moment is steven erickson
his style is middling but he makes stuff so collosal that i don't care
iktovian is one of his characters.

LostChild
April 19th 2005, 09:14 PM
so, can you suggest some slyistic stuff for me? if/when i find time, i'll go ahead and read em'.

i've noticed in my writing that my style will kind-of, sort-of but not always resemble the style of whatever author i'm reading at the time. like right now, were reading Frederick Douglas in American Lit, and i was writing a paper. when i went to redo the paper, i saw i used a lot of the same grammer as he did. i'm trying not to do that, but sometimes it just happens...

and if you're still willing to put up with my writing, i'll keep the thread open. ^_^

what was the last thing i posted...? i've noticed that i tend to change the character's personalities a bit as it goes on, but remember that this is still in the early stages of correction. :sun:




Draqon was wading in the stream under the waterfall. As Kaylin approached he stretched his wings and yawned showing diamond like teeth with razor sharp edges; his abalone colored scales glittered in the afternoon sun.


“What’s wrong Kaylin?” Draqon’s voice entered her mind in a puzzled question. “Is there someone that bothers you?”

Kaylin choked back tears. She didn’t want to start a quarrel between her dad and his dragon. “Nothing,” a tear glazed her smooth cheek, “I am fine.”

“Tell me, I know something is bothering you. What’s wrong.”

“Albekcc isn’t listening to what, rather who, I want to come with me for my coming of age,” Kaylin started to break down.

“You speak of him as though he were an acquaintance,” Draqon was still puzzled.

“I know, but he doesn’t have the right to tell me who to take with me!”

“You mean who will take you with them,” Draqon pointed out that Kaylin didn’t know were to go.

“Fine, but he still doesn’t have the right,” she was sobbing.

“Maybe he was just giving you more options so that you don’t have to feel confined to one small list of people,” Draqon started to come out of the water and onto bank of the stream.

“Now you’re taking Albekcc’s side?! That means I’ll just have to figure it out on my own.”

“No, I am not trying to take sides,” Draqon’s paper-thin, yet immensely strong wing wrapped around Kaylin sheltering her from the spray and foam of the waterfall. “I am just trying to show you both sides of the argument. Your father loves you; he only wants what he thinks is best for you.”

A soft humming echoed in the young elf’s mind.

“Thank-you Draqon,” Kaylin fell asleep to the humming that drowned out the roaring of the falls.

Iktovian
April 29th 2005, 02:16 AM
yo lostchild
if your still looking here:
if you are doing lit, your teacher ought to be able to tell you about what is good stuff to read that help writing much better than i can as i am untrained in the area. I would just tell you about stuff i like cos if i don't like something i won't usually read it even if it is good.
P.G. Wodehouse is very good at using words, shallow though he is. tom wolfe is good too. also u k leguin is very good for sf-fantasy in this respect. also classic stuff like the brontes etc. did you know that branwell bronte died standing up leaning against the mantlepeice in order to prove that it could be done? also see neal stephenson. and hp lovecraft. and mark twain. and john steinbeck. and rudyard kypling. i may be sending you right off the track with the guys abouve but they are mostly fairly good in their various ways and not hard too read. but do ask you teacher. he/she will probably say very different stuff from me and be right with it.