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Vitae
April 10th 2005, 11:55 PM
I kinda laughed because the explination of this forum has a bit about "Does God have a future?"

Thats not what this thread is about, but close. A friend of mine asked me today this question. Similar to the question, could god make a stone big enough that he could not lift it?

The Question: God is all knowing, God knows our future, regardless of the specifics you believe. So does god know his own future?

Ive seen a few threads relating to god, his origin and how it plays into time, existance etc, but I havn't seen anything for this.

Thanks for your help. -vitae

Mr. 5020
April 11th 2005, 12:47 AM
The Question: God is all knowing, God knows our future, regardless of the specifics you believe. So does god know his own future? Yes, He does. If He didn't, He wouldn't be all-knowing.

Vitae
April 11th 2005, 12:56 AM
Ok, so now why, what is that arguement based on, why and how does he know his own future? -vitae

kofh2u
April 11th 2005, 02:03 AM
I kinda laughed because the explination of this forum has a bit about "Does God have a future?"

Thats not what this thread is about, but close. A friend of mine asked me today this question. Similar to the question, could god make a stone big enough that he could not lift it?

The Question: God is all knowing, God knows our future, regardless of the specifics you believe. So does god know his own future?

Ive seen a few threads relating to god, his origin and how it plays into time, existance etc, but I havn't seen anything for this.

Thanks for your help. -vitae


Do you have any supporting scripture which affirms your assumptions about God?

In particular, "God is all knowing."

If there is a question about "does god know his own future," then we must deny "God is all knowing."

It seems very compatible that God is possibility, like the cornerstone of modern Quantum Physics.
Notably, with his surprise that all flesh needed to be rplaced in the Noah saga, His very name suggests that God is manifesting, YHVH, "is becoming what He turns out to have become."

Vitae
April 11th 2005, 01:42 PM
Do you have any supporting scripture which affirms your assumptions about God?

In particular, "God is all knowing."

If there is a question about "does god know his own future," then we must deny "God is all knowing."

It seems very compatible that God is possibility, like the cornerstone of modern Quantum Physics.
Notably, with his surprise that all flesh needed to be rplaced in the Noah saga, His very name suggests that God is manifesting, YHVH, "is becoming what He turns out to have become."


Sorry just wanted to make sure? Are you asking me for scripture that says god does or does not know his future? I don't have anything either way, other than thought. Thats why I am asking peoples opinoins. I know what I think, I want to see what others think and how they defend it. -vitae

infide
April 11th 2005, 02:32 PM
Do you have any supporting scripture which affirms your assumptions about God?

In particular, "God is all knowing."

If there is a question about "does god know his own future," then we must deny "God is all knowing."

It seems very compatible that God is possibility, like the cornerstone of modern Quantum Physics.
Notably, with his surprise that all flesh needed to be rplaced in the Noah saga, His very name suggests that God is manifesting, YHVH, "is becoming what He turns out to have become."

That attribute is gleaned from various themes throughout Scripture (prophesy, providence, intimate-detailed knowledge [e.g. the number of your hairs is numbered, God knows what you need before you ask, and other matter-of-fact statements of this sort]) as well as the Anselmian view of God, that is, God is the greatest conceivable Being.

God being surprised and worried, and unsure about the future, in my view, are anthropomorphic descriptions of God's providence/omniscience in the world. The writer is ascribing a human-type reasoning to God to render God's dealings with man more understandable, and because such things werent necessarily written to express theological and philosophical systems of thought, but a human experiance of God's providence. They also seem to suggest that God's providence takes human decisions into account (and hence, Him changing His mind).

I am also somewhat skeptical of using Quantum theories to understand God and/or what God does. I agree there are fascinating things about Quantum mechanics. But they aren't even sure which of the mutually exclusive interpretations are correct when it comes to such Quantum events. Some people see alternate Universes to resolve Quantum Indeterminacy - which seems quite at odds with God's judgement. Some have interpretations where Quantum events are just as deterministic as macro-events. Then theres string theories.

I'm also unconvinced that the tetragrammaton means exactly what you say. Could rather mean "Is what he in fact Is" (present, instead of imperfect). Which would describe more of God's immutability, and uniqueness. In any case its way too controversial to speculate about the divine name for theological resolution.

I am not currently seeing the problem of God knowing what He Himself is going to do. As God, He should know exactly how He Himself is going to act in the future. All that would mean is He is purposeful. As we know He is.