A Discussion with JP Holding on deafs and disableds and religion.

[SillyGeezer10]

Disabled and deaf people and religion

This is my topic of discussion with Mr. Holding, the famed apologist on Tweb. But anyone can join in with their respectful views. All religions are tolerated on their views. So answer at your heart’s content. (Mods or Admins: No censorship unless they are flaming or spamming)

Here are my questions regarding religion and deaf and disableds. (Again, anyone can answer the questions)

1.What are your attitudes to deaf and disabled in religion?

2. What make these people normal or abnormal in their religion’s eye?


3.Any anti disabled and deaf religions or faiths?

4.If so, what should we do to improve these people’s lots?

5. Should disabled people be made pastors or preachers or the like?

6. Final question: What are your experiences with disabled people in religion?

Thank you, I shall return with the Christian side and
the Atheist side of this topic and finally to answer any questions you may have.

Completely optional, you can ask me to share my experiences with religion since I’m a deaf and disabled person. But it’s not really vital since I’m gonna share it some where.


Politely, SillyGeezer10.

[jpholding]

Yo there,



1.What are your attitudes to deaf and disabled in religion?

A little vague. As someone whose wife is legally blind (she has no lenses in her eyes; but with special glasses she can see up to 20/60) and who has a number of freinds with disabilities all my attitudes are "positive" towards such persons.

2. What make these people normal or abnormal in their religion’s eye?

None I know of have this problem with their religion per se.

3.Any anti disabled and deaf religions or faiths?

Not really, though some ignorant people read certain OT passages as such.

4.If so, what should we do to improve these people’s lots?

I answered no, but I can say that here in the US at least (you're Down Under, right?) laws like ADA certainly make physical facilities more accessible, and options like Talking Books, signing, etc. are all over the place. My own church has a signer for services.

5. Should disabled people be made pastors or preachers or the like?

No reason why not. A big church here used to have a guy named David Ring as an evangelist; he has cerebral palsy.

6. Final question: What are your experiences with disabled people in religion?

Heck, my wife and I sit in the balcony mainly so she can see things better on the screen. :teeth: But when you say "experiences" what do you have in mind? Personal encounters?

[commonman]

Disabled and deaf people and religion

This is my topic of discussion with Mr. Holding, the famed apologist on Tweb. But anyone can join in with their respectful views. All religions are tolerated on their views. So answer at your heart’s content. (Mods or Admins: No censorship unless they are flaming or spamming)

Here are my questions regarding religion and deaf and disableds. (Again, anyone can answer the questions)

1.What are your attitudes to deaf and disabled in religion?

2. What make these people normal or abnormal in their religion’s eye?


3.Any anti disabled and deaf religions or faiths?

4.If so, what should we do to improve these people’s lots?

5. Should disabled people be made pastors or preachers or the like?

6. Final question: What are your experiences with disabled people in religion?

Thank you, I shall return with the Christian side and
the Atheist side of this topic and finally to answer any questions you may have.

Completely optional, you can ask me to share my experiences with religion since I’m a deaf and disabled person. But it’s not really vital since I’m gonna share it some where.


Politely, SillyGeezer10.

What? :shrug:

Did you say something?

Is anybody there? :cool:

[SillyGeezer10]

Good, JP.
Here in NZ, it's a law to build a ramp to essential buildings like hospitals, churches. But it's not really enforced.
I'm very pleased to hear you have your stuff strait about disableds.
Disableds have been both hated and loved by religion. Some times, some preachers who is hateful, rejects many disabled people. Some disabled people have turned to Wicca or Islam or any other religion other than Christianity because of the abuse they got from them.
But disabled people DO attend church. Usually, in my country, they go to liberal churches since some hateful conservatives twisted the sciptures to mean that disabled people is demons or not of God until they are healed. Many disabled people doesn't get healed thus it making it more impossible for them to be Christian anymore.
I know, I was a christian but bunny hopped a lot till I found a mind set that suited my purpose. But I don't condemn these disabled people wanting to be Christian. After all, they is my brothers and sisters in our group. Regardless of faith. I just want to see religion improve after all.

[SillyGeezer10]

JP about your question regarding experiences with disabled people.
I have personal experiences in mind. Is this cleared up?

[jpholding]

JP about your question regarding experiences with disabled people.
I have personal experiences in mind. Is this cleared up?

Yeah...but it makes it harder, because I have lived around persons with disabilities all my life:

* grandfather -- blind, due to RP
* stepfather -- blind since birth
* wife -- legally blind
* mother -- teacher of disabled children
* friends -- several blind and/or deaf

So you may as well ask me for my whole life's story! You want to narrow it down to types of personal experience?

It sounds like disabled people in your neck of the woods have been afflicted by cults.

[SillyGeezer10]

Some are, yes. But some are free, some are Christians. I understand that. Well, I have lived around disabled and deaf people all my life, in churches, clubs, schools, outings.
One I attended was a sort of "equippers" church. It's a cult, yes but I get out and in easily, whilst my peers are entrapped in it. I'm trying find a way of moving them to a healthier place.
The fact I get out of it easily because I'm not easily taken in by religion. It takes me a lot of effort to even fit in.
Most deaf friends I have are christian, moslem, atheist, all mixes of religions.
But what they lack, is fundamentalism and I'm glad for that....