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Sparko
02-13-2015, 10:34 AM
Been reading on facebook and other places more atrocities by PETA. They claim eating meat is evil, put out comics depicting parents glorifying in butchering animals to scare kids, and claim to be for the "Ethical treatment of animals"

Yet what they really want is to just kill people's pets. They think keeping pets is somehow "cruel" and will use any excuse to kill a pet rather than find it a home. Even shelters that euthanize will attempt to find homes for their animals before resorting to euthanizing. Peta starts out by euthanizing or just plain killing animals it takes in. It even will go so far as to STEAL pets from people and kill them.

Check this out:


http://www.whypetaeuthanizes.org/maya/
On October 18, 2014, in Parksley, VA, PETA stole Maya, a happy and healthy dog, from her porch while her family was out. They killed her that very day.

According to a spokesman for Maya’s family, PETA came to the trailer park where the family lives, where most of the residents are Spanish speaking with few resources. The PETA representatives befriended the residents. They got to know who lived where and who had dogs. In fact, they sat with the family on the same porch off which they later took Maya. Waiting until the family was away from the home, PETA employees backed their van up to the porch and threw biscuits to Maya, in an attempt to coax her off her property and therefore give PETA the ability to claim she was a stray dog “at large.” But Maya refused to stay off the porch and ran back. Thinking that no one was around, one of the employees—who was later charged with larceny—went onto the property and took Maya.

When the family returned and found their beloved Maya missing, they searched around the neighborhood before checking the video on the surveillance camera. That is when they saw the PETA van on the film and recognized the woman who had come to their house on prior occasions to talk to them about Maya. They called PETA and asked for Maya’s return. According to a family spokesperson, PETA claimed it did not have the dog. When PETA was told that its employees had been filmed taking the dog, they hung up. Shortly afterward, a PETA attorney called and informed the family that Maya was dead. PETA had killed her

surveillance video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpOyHnvycKE#t=206

Littlejoe
02-13-2015, 10:50 AM
I think PETA has officially developed a "god" complex...that's just sick...

One Bad Pig
02-13-2015, 11:07 AM
Not the first time PETA members have been prosecuted for killing pets. :thumbd:

Catholicity
02-13-2015, 11:20 AM
I actually hate peta. I have always gotten a pet from a local foster organization, a breeder, or someone who's pet got out before they were spayed. Hey, can't go wrong with giving an animal a loving home.

Cerebrum123
02-13-2015, 11:32 AM
There's also People for the Eating of Tasty Animals, don't confuse them with these nut jobs. :teeth:


:outtie:

mossrose
02-13-2015, 11:44 AM
PETA has never made any sense.

KingsGambit
02-13-2015, 11:51 AM
PETA refused to speak to any media about this. They are cowards who will not even explain what they did.

Sparko
02-13-2015, 11:55 AM
how many people donate to PETA, thinking they are helping animals and pets, while in reality they are helping PETA to kill them?

Sparko
02-13-2015, 12:02 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/douglas-anthony-cooper/whistleblower-peta-employee-allegations_b_6648696.html

WHISTLEBLOWER: PETA Ex-Employee Alleges She Was Encouraged to Steal and Kill Pets, and to Falsify Records

According to Harper-Troje, Ingrid Newkirk authorized her staff to steal pets -- animals that were then killed, immediately -- and records of killing were routinely doctored. Ms. Harper-Troje is an exceptionally brave woman -- she is willing to go on the record and use her real name. She will be eviscerated.



http://wavy.com/2015/02/11/peta-euthanasia-numbers-up-from-last-year/


NORFOLK, Va. (WAVY) – New numbers show just how many dogs and cats PETA put down at it’s Norfolk shelter last year.

This comes as the locally-based animal welfare group has come under fire for taking a chihuahua without permission and euthanizing it.

By law, PETA and other animal shelters are required to submit their records annually to the Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. The records show that in 2014, PETA took in 1,606 cats and 1,025 dogs.

The fate of those animals breaks down as follows:

16 of those cats were adopted, 43 were given to other Virginia Releasing Agencies, and 1,536 (95.64 percent) were euthanized.
23 of PETA’s 1,025 dogs were adopted, 209 were transferred to other Virginia Releasing agencies, and 788 (nearly 77 percent) were euthanized.

mossrose
02-13-2015, 12:05 PM
I have heard rumours for years that they have been doing this sort of thing.

Hopefully this will pull the curtains back and show them for what they are.

Catholicity
02-13-2015, 12:14 PM
Ingrid Newkirk is a crazy woman who believes no animal should be held captive, but should be dead or left in its natural habitat. However she's smart enough to know better than to say this, because Peta would be shut down immediately.

Christianbookworm
02-13-2015, 12:18 PM
Seriously? I'd think getting plenty of food, being in a safe place, and having plenty of enrichment would be a domesticated animal's paradise! A good owner is much better for a tame animal than being in the wild!

Sparko
02-13-2015, 12:51 PM
Ingrid Newkirk is a crazy woman who believes no animal should be held captive, but should be dead or left in its natural habitat. However she's smart enough to know better than to say this, because Peta would be shut down immediately.Homes are the natural habitat of pets like dogs and cats. They don't live in the wild. Dogs were bred from wolves to be domesticated, for instance. They never existed in the wild. If it were not for men, there would be no dogs.

But PETA doesn't get that, or even care. Like you said, they just want to kill the pets. They think "owning" animals is slavery and cruel. Most pets are treated as well as people's own children and are part of the family.

Catholicity
02-13-2015, 01:08 PM
Homes are the natural habitat of pets like dogs and cats. They don't live in the wild. Dogs were bred from wolves to be domesticated, for instance. They never existed in the wild. If it were not for men, there would be no dogs.

But PETA doesn't get that, or even care. Like you said, they just want to kill the pets. They think "owning" animals is slavery and cruel. Most pets are treated as well as people's own children and are part of the family.
Oh believe me I know. My parent's poodle slept in the lazy chair all of her life or in my or my sister's bed. My cat sleeps on my feet. Not to mention he has always been given his own bathroom and fed a highly personalize diet and gets to eat my sandwich if its made from lunch meat. He also likes to climb up for attention and sit with the baby as long as she's asleep. He kinda likes her. And he prefer's to accompany me for everything I do, and yes I don't mind the extra company. Don't know what I'd do without it.

rogue06
02-13-2015, 02:20 PM
Homes are the natural habitat of pets like dogs and cats. They don't live in the wild. Dogs were bred from wolves to be domesticated, for instance. They never existed in the wild. If it were not for men, there would be no dogs.

But PETA doesn't get that, or even care. Like you said, they just want to kill the pets. They think "owning" animals is slavery and cruel. Most pets are treated as well as people's own children and are part of the family.
And many modern (and relatively modern) breeds of dog would simply not do well in the wild. They're far too specialized and in many cases "fragile." There is a reason that wild dogs the world over are essentially a certain size and shape.

Cow Poke
02-13-2015, 02:28 PM
I think PETA has officially developed a "god" complex...that's just sick...

Wait... we talkin' bout "People Eating Tasty Animals"? :huh:

Cerebrum123
02-13-2015, 02:30 PM
Wait... we talkin' bout "People Eating Tasty Animals"? :huh:


There's also People for the Eating of Tasty Animals, don't confuse them with these nut jobs. :teeth:


:outtie:

Slow :poke:.

Cow Poke
02-13-2015, 02:31 PM
Slow :poke:.

NOT slow - just didn't bother reading the thread! :tongue:

Cerebrum123
02-13-2015, 02:33 PM
NOT slow - just didn't bother reading the thread! :tongue:

Okay, given this is only two pages long, then you are lazy. :yes:

Cow Poke
02-13-2015, 02:36 PM
Okay, given this is only two pages long, then you are lazy. :yes:

That's more like it! :hug:

Jedidiah
02-13-2015, 04:00 PM
I think PETA has officially developed a "god" complex...that's just sick...

Not at all sick. I am with Sparky, it is "Pure Evil."

Catholicity
02-13-2015, 04:00 PM
Cats are the only example (exception perhaps rodents) that are human companions that can live on their own in the wild and become Within a generation, seriously, they are prolific hunters and this instinct does not seem to be lost. Dogs on the other hand it takes several generations to go back and become feral. Most strays tend to stay near humans and eagerly take to human companionship, and even "feral" dogs are not completely wild they must actually breed with a coyote or wolf to lose their domestication. Cats only need be away for a generation or two. However they are remarkably easy to redomesticate. Because cats like us, and tend to see as large non threatening sources of food and companionship. Even some wildcats are capable of this distinction. (Domesticated Silvestrus and Lynx cats mostly)

Jedidiah
02-13-2015, 04:04 PM
I am all for P(eople) E(ating) T(asty) A(nimals) as long as the tasty animal is not a pet.

Cow Poke
02-13-2015, 04:07 PM
I am all for P(eople) E(ating) T(asty) A(nimals) as long as the tasty animal is not a pet.

Not even if it dies unexpectedly?

Catholicity
02-13-2015, 05:44 PM
Not to mention Peta's adds are just devoid and somehow just show no humaneness at all. The focus is on sex appeal and the cartoons are designed to frighten children. There is nothing Ethical about Newkirk.

TimelessTheist
02-13-2015, 06:14 PM
I think's what we need here is a good old-fashioned beatdown.

Christianbookworm
02-13-2015, 06:24 PM
:huh: Why? did they threaten to kill a bunch of humans? Or create chaos?

Jedidiah
02-13-2015, 08:54 PM
:huh: Why? did they threaten to kill a bunch of humans? Or create chaos?

Eh?

TimelessTheist
02-14-2015, 12:12 AM
:huh: Why? did they threaten to kill a bunch of humans? Or create chaos?

Well, they kill pets for fun, so, yeah.

Sparko
02-14-2015, 06:59 AM
:huh: Why? did they threaten to kill a bunch of humans? Or create chaos?

They put out comic books to kids that accuse their parents of being monsters:

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When the real fact is that THEY are the ones who are going around not only killing animals, but killing pets, and even stealing pets to kill them. That is evil on so many levels.

DLAbaoaqu
02-14-2015, 10:52 PM
The closest thing to Team Plasma there is in the real world.

rogue06
02-15-2015, 01:24 AM
Been reading on facebook and other places more atrocities by PETA. They claim eating meat is evil, put out comics depicting parents glorifying in butchering animals to scare kids, and claim to be for the "Ethical treatment of animals"

Yet what they really want is to just kill people's pets. They think keeping pets is somehow "cruel" and will use any excuse to kill a pet rather than find it a home. Even shelters that euthanize will attempt to find homes for their animals before resorting to euthanizing. Peta starts out by euthanizing or just plain killing animals it takes in. It even will go so far as to STEAL pets from people and kill them.

Check this out:


http://www.whypetaeuthanizes.org/maya/
On October 18, 2014, in Parksley, VA, PETA stole Maya, a happy and healthy dog, from her porch while her family was out. They killed her that very day.

According to a spokesman for Maya’s family, PETA came to the trailer park where the family lives, where most of the residents are Spanish speaking with few resources. The PETA representatives befriended the residents. They got to know who lived where and who had dogs. In fact, they sat with the family on the same porch off which they later took Maya. Waiting until the family was away from the home, PETA employees backed their van up to the porch and threw biscuits to Maya, in an attempt to coax her off her property and therefore give PETA the ability to claim she was a stray dog “at large.” But Maya refused to stay off the porch and ran back. Thinking that no one was around, one of the employees—who was later charged with larceny—went onto the property and took Maya.

When the family returned and found their beloved Maya missing, they searched around the neighborhood before checking the video on the surveillance camera. That is when they saw the PETA van on the film and recognized the woman who had come to their house on prior occasions to talk to them about Maya. They called PETA and asked for Maya’s return. According to a family spokesperson, PETA claimed it did not have the dog. When PETA was told that its employees had been filmed taking the dog, they hung up. Shortly afterward, a PETA attorney called and informed the family that Maya was dead. PETA had killed her

surveillance video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpOyHnvycKE#t=206
Animal shelters run by PETA euthanize a much higher percentage of animals than shelters run by other groups. An investigation of PETA run shelters in Virginia found that they kill approximately 85% of the animals within 24 hours and in 2009 less than 1% were adopted or transferred.


https://www.petakillsanimals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/kovich_graph.png
In 2009 only 16 of 2317 dogs and cats survived going into a PETA "animal shelter"
In contrast statewide 33,670 of those taken into shelters 56,842 survived

In 2012, even after all the public furor, a newspaper investigation found that they were still killing almost 90% of all the animals dropped off at its national headquarters in Norfolk, Va.

According to Daphna Nachminovitch, PETA’s vice president of cruelty investigations, "Our euthanasia program has never been a secret. This is one of many, many things that we do to alleviate the suffering of animals." So the group that is so staunchly against the wearing of fur and leather, the eating of meat... has no problem whatsoever with committing the wholesale slaughter of animals themselves :dizzy:

The fact is that PETA absolutely hates the idea of people having pets, which might explain why they slaughter those that they get their hands on. PETA is committed to a future in which people would not be able to own pets, claiming on their website that "The selfish desire to possess animals and receive love from them causes immeasurable suffering."

In recent years PETA engages in a great deal of double talk to obfuscate their opposition to pet ownership but in the past they were much more open about it. In "Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of A Changing Ethic" published by PETA in 1982 the author John Bryant informed readers that:

Let us allow the dog to disappear from our brick and concrete jungles -- from our firesides, from the leather nooses and chains by which we enslave it. --p.15
The cat, like the dog, must disappear..... We should cut the domestic cat free from our dominance by neutering, neutering, and more neutering, until our pathetic version of the cat ceases to exist. --p.15

There are many other similar quotes like this:

As John Bryant has written in his book Fettered Kingdoms, they [pets] are like slaves, even if well-kept slaves. --PETA's Statement on Companion Animals
Pet ownership is an abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation. --Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, Washingtonian, August 1986
You don't have to own squirrels and starlings to get enjoyment from them ... One day, we would like an end to pet shops and the breeding of animals. [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild ... they would have full lives, not wasting at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet them and then sit there and watch TV. --Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, Chicago Daily Herald, March 1, 1990.
The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats ... If people want toys they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship they should seek it with their own kind. --Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, "Animals," May/June 1993

But then, perhaps it is more accurate to say that the folks at PETA hates the idea of people other than themselves having pets. Numerous reporters that have gone to their offices to conduct interviews have commented on how many of the employees bring their pets to work with them.


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President and co-founder of PETA Ingrid Newkirk with some of
her pets um, animal companions -- that nobody else should have


But surely that's just an exception



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PETA co-founder and former chairman Alex Pacheco with his... oh dear.
We seem to have a trend here.


Finally, what is especially slimy is that PETA has repeatedly said that "it would have been in the animals' best interests if the institution of 'pet keeping'—i.e., breeding animals to be kept and regarded as 'pets'—never existed" but that responsible pet owners should adopt from pounds or animal shelters." But as we have seen in the "shelters" that PETA controls virtually no animals are allowed to survive long enough to be adopted. This more than anything else reveals what their true agenda is.

Sparko
02-15-2015, 07:57 AM
I tried to set my dog free, so that he could enjoy his life in the wild. But he just sat on the porch looking pitiful till I let him back in. Then he wanted some bacon.

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rogue06
02-15-2015, 11:02 AM
I tried to set my dog free, so that he could enjoy his life in the wild. But he just sat on the porch looking pitiful till I let him back in. Then he wanted some bacon.

4013
He was obviously worried that your sofa might float off if he wasn't there to hold it down.

Sparko
02-15-2015, 01:13 PM
He was obviously worried that your sofa might float off if he wasn't there to hold it down.

True. he is not a slave. He has a job to do. And I pay him with room and board. I wanted to give him a paycheck and make him go live on his own, but the bank refused to open a checking account for him.

Christianbookworm
02-15-2015, 01:21 PM
Mutualistic reletionships FTW!

Littlejoe
02-15-2015, 01:37 PM
I'm convinced...PETA is of the devil! :yes:

KingsGambit
02-15-2015, 04:17 PM
This is just speculation but I'm curious how many PETA members simultaneously believe all three of these:

1) Animals and humans have equal rights
2) Mass euthanization of healthy animals is okay
3) Capital punishment of humans is wrong

Littlejoe
02-15-2015, 04:37 PM
I remember hearing a PETA person remark on the radio that, if he were driving down the street and a dog and a little boy ran into the street in front of him, and he had to make a choice between the boy and the dog, he would hit the boy. His reason was because he knew the boy would get immediate medical attention, but the dog would probably be shot. :no:

rogue06
02-15-2015, 06:46 PM
I remember hearing a PETA person remark on the radio that, if he were driving down the street and a dog and a little boy ran into the street in front of him, and he had to make a choice between the boy and the dog, he would hit the boy. His reason was because he knew the boy would get immediate medical attention, but the dog would probably be shot. :no:
As Ingrid Newkirk, President and co-founder of PETA, is quoted as saying in the August 1, 1986 edition of Washingtonian magazine: "A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. They’re all animals."

Years later she repeated this sentiment with a bit of elaboration in the June 22, 2003 edition of The Observer: "Animal liberationists do not separate out the human animal, so there is no rational basis for saying that a human being has special rights. A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. They are all mammals."

IIRC, PETA's other co-founder Alex Pacheco repeated the "A rat is a pig, is a dog, is a boy" chant during an interview published in Vogue back in 1989.

One Bad Pig
02-15-2015, 07:01 PM
I tried to set my dog free, so that he could enjoy his life in the wild. But he just sat on the porch looking pitiful till I let him back in. Then he wanted some bacon.

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:no: That's only because you've brainwashed him into dependency on you, you abusive control freak.


























































































Then again, I suspect they don't want women in abusive relationships put down for their own good. So much for the vaunted equality of animal and man.

Cow Poke
02-15-2015, 07:05 PM
I tried to set my dog free, so that he could enjoy his life in the wild. But he just sat on the porch looking pitiful till I let him back in. Then he wanted some bacon.

4013

My eyes were blurry --- I thought you tried to set your dog on fire! :whew:

Sparko
02-16-2015, 07:18 AM
As Ingrid Newkirk, President and co-founder of PETA, is quoted as saying in the August 1, 1986 edition of Washingtonian magazine: "A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. They’re all animals."

Years later she repeated this sentiment with a bit of elaboration in the June 22, 2003 edition of The Observer: "Animal liberationists do not separate out the human animal, so there is no rational basis for saying that a human being has special rights. A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. They are all mammals."

IIRC, PETA's other co-founder Alex Pacheco repeated the "A rat is a pig, is a dog, is a boy" chant during an interview published in Vogue back in 1989.

so I wonder if they are for euthanizing children in orphanages?

Christianbookworm
02-16-2015, 07:49 AM
so I wonder if they are for euthanizing children in orphanages?

Should we treat stray animals like orphaned children? Or orphaned children like PETA treats stray pets?

mossrose
02-16-2015, 07:56 AM
Should we treat stray animals like orphaned children? Or orphaned children like PETA treats stray pets?

Or children with good homes like PETA treats pets with good homes.

rogue06
02-16-2015, 08:55 AM
so I wonder if they are for euthanizing children in orphanages?
Various environmentalist groups and activists have long been calling for a culling if not outright elimination of the human race seeing it as a disease that blights the planet.

mossrose
02-16-2015, 09:02 AM
Various environmentalist groups and activists have long been calling for a culling if not outright elimination of the human race seeing it as a disease that blights the planet.

Yup. Even the Queen's consort has expressed a desire to be reincarnated as a terrible virus to wipe out all but a million or so people.

Cow Poke
02-16-2015, 10:03 AM
Various environmentalist groups and activists have long been calling for a culling if not outright elimination of the human race seeing it as a disease that blights the planet.

Have any of them volunteered to be first?

Christianbookworm
02-16-2015, 10:10 AM
Have any of them volunteered to be first?

Right. So, they think we're an invasive species???

rogue06
02-16-2015, 10:45 AM
Yup. Even the Queen's consort has expressed a desire to be reincarnated as a terrible virus to wipe out all but a million or so people.
:yes:

Britain’s Prince Philip, who has headed the World Wildlife Fund (WWF) since 1981[1], said in the Foreword to Fleur Cowles' If I Were an Animal that "I must confess that I am tempted to ask for reincarnation as a particularly deadly virus."

Now Philip has for decades been a one man gaff machine that would make U.S. Vice President Joe Biden look like the soul of discretion but this was written so it wasn't something that he blurted out off the top of his head. What's more, a year later (1988) he was quoted as saying that "In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve over-population."

But he is hardly alone in this sentiment.

CNN founder Ted Turner told "Audubon" magazine that, "Right now, there are just way too many people on the planet,” and that there should be no more than “250 million to 350 million” people on the Earth. Likewise in an address he delivered at Mikhail Gorbachev’s 1995 State of the World Forum (a top non-governmental organization at the UN), environmentalist philosopher and author Sam Keen urged that if we "cut the [world’s] population by 90% and there aren't enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage."

James E. Lovelock, best known for his advocacy of the Gaia hypothesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis), 2006 book, "The Revenge of Gaia: Why the Earth is Fighting Back – and How we Can Still Save Humanity"[2] calls for nine-tenths of humanity to vanish to "save" the planet from global warming which he claims will kill billions of humans by the end of the century with the survivors forced to move to the Arctic regions to survive.[3]

According to "Earthbound: New Introductory Essays in Environmental Ethics": "Massive human die-backs would be good. It is our duty to cause them. It is our species’ duty, relative to the whole, to eliminate 90 percent of our numbers." "Environmental Ethics" you say.

While AFAICT they didn't offer any suggestions on how they would like to see our numbers slashed others have and generally go along with Prince Philip.

Retired National Park Service research biologist, who served as the Chief Scientist for the Pacific West Region David Graber remarked in his review of Bill McKibben’s "The End of Nature" for the Los Angeles Times: "We have become a plague upon ourselves and upon the Earth. Until such a time as Homo sapiens should decide to rejoin nature, some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along." He would later concede that "death is by far the crudest and cruelest solution to a problem of crowding" but stood by his earlier comments.

Graber has also stated that, "We are not interested in the utility of a particular species, or free-flowing river, or ecosystem, to mankind. They have ... more value to me than another human body, or a billion of them."

A 1989 Earth First! newsletter asserted that "If radical environmentalists were to invent a disease to bring human populations back to sanity, it would probably be something like AIDS." Since AIDS didn't turn out to be the disease that they had hoped for I imagine that today they would be rooting for Ebola.

Paul Watson, a founder of Greenpeace, said we are the "AIDS of the earth" and "We, the human species, have become a viral epidemic to the earth." This sentiment was echoed by tropical biologist Thomas Lovejoy who is a Senior Fellow at the United Nations Foundation and University Professor in the Environmental Science and Policy department at George Mason University, who wrote that "The planet is about to break out with fever, indeed it may already have, and we [human beings] are the disease. We should be at war with ourselves and our lifestyles."

David Foreman, who has worked for The Wilderness Society as Southwest Regional Representative, was a board member for the New Mexico chapter of The Nature Conservancy and served on the Sierra Club’s board of directors before helping to co-found Earth First!, is infamous for his comments about the famines in Ethiopia a few decades back: "The best thing would be just to let nature seek its own balance, to let the people there starve." Nature didn't need to "seek its own balance" there considering that the famine was largely man-made.

Stewart Brand, founding editor and publisher of the Whole Earth Catalog has said that "We have wished, we eco-freaks, for a disaster or for a social change to come and bomb us into the Stone Age, where we might live like Indians in our valley, with our localism; our appropriate technology, our homemade religion – guilt free at last!" "Appropriate technology"? According to Brand that means the Stone Age.

But the aforementioned Earth First’s! David Foreman doesn't even want gardens! "We can see that life in a hunter-gather society was on the whole healthier, happier, and more secure than our lives today.” Strange, I thought our life expectancy is nearly three times as long now than it was in the Stone Age. If you’re dead how can you be "healthier, happier, and more secure"?

In his influential "Respect for Nature: A Theory of Environmental Ethics" Paul W. Taylor wrote that "The ending of the human epoch on Earth would most likely be greeted with a hearty ‘Good riddance!’" There is that "Environmental Ethics" again.

And this has been going on for quite some time. Back when the use of DDT was being banned Charles Wurster, a leading environmentalist with the Environmental Defense Fund, captured this thinking succinctly in 1972. When it was mentioned to him that the banning of DDT would cost millions of lives in poor countries, Wurster responded: "So what? People are the cause of all the problems. We have too many of them. We need to get rid of some of them and this is as good a way as any." (“Them” includes "all those little brown people in poor countries," as fellow de-populationist Dr. Van den Bosch of the University of California so indelicately put it).

His views were far from atypical. In the 1960s World Health Organization (WHO) authorities believed there was no alternative to the overpopulation problem but to assure that up to 40% of the children in poor nations would die of malaria. As an official of the Agency for International Development stated: "Rather dead than alive and riotously reproducing."

Finally, there was the late South African botanist, zoologist, biologist, anthropologist, Lyall Watson who in a 1995 editorial in The Fiscal Times wrote that cannibalism is a "radical but realistic solution to the problem of overpopulation." One can only hope it was similar to Jonathan Swift's satirical economic essay "A Modest Proposal" where he suggested that poverty, hunger and overpopulation could be eliminated in Ireland if the Irish would only eat their children. But given the above it really is hard to tell.

Strange that you never see any of these advocates for massively reducing the human population ever taking the lead and practicing what they preach. Much like PETA and pet ownership, that is obviously something meant for everyone else.

















1. International President from 1981, and President Emeritus from 1996

2. Some editions of the book have a different, less optimistic subtitle: "Earth's Climate Crisis and the Fate of Humanity."

3. "By 2040, parts of the Sahara desert will have moved into middle Europe. We are talking about Paris – as far north as Berlin."

Cerebrum123
02-16-2015, 10:48 AM
Hey rogue06, maybe you should share some of this stuff with The Pixie on AP's thread about "Genesis and Anti's". :grin:

Christianbookworm
02-16-2015, 10:49 AM
Rougue's post quote sounds like something a certain Batman villain would say...

Ra's ah ghul

Jedidiah
02-16-2015, 04:20 PM
James E. Lovelock, best known for his advocacy of the Gaia hypothesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis), 2006 book, "The Revenge of Gaia: Why the Earth is Fighting Back – and How we Can Still Save Humanity"[2] calls for nine-tenths of humanity to vanish to "save" the planet from global warming which he claims will kill billions of humans by the end of the century with the survivors forced to move to the Arctic regions to survive.[3]

These folks should support global warming. It won't hurt the earth but, as they imagine it, it will serve to cut the human population drastically.

Cow Poke
02-16-2015, 04:21 PM
These folks should support global warming. It won't hurt the earth but, as they imagine it, it will serve to cut the human population drastically.

:idea: Let NATURE do the dirty work! :thumb:

Christianbookworm
02-16-2015, 04:26 PM
As long as they don't try to put an evil plan to reduce the human population into effect! Because... I don't know who's job it would be to stop it!