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Tux314
July 2nd 2005, 09:50 PM
I asked the atheists and agnostics over at the Gentoo Linux Forums (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-355483.html), but now I want to see the Christian response from TheologyWeb. Am I a "fundamentalist"? Here are some beliefs summarized:

1.) The Bible as originally revealed is inerrant (has no errors) and inspired. However, it is possible that our modern English Bibles have lost accuracy through the transmission and translation. We must interpret everything in the Bible in context, not only in the literary sense but also in the socio-historical sense. J.P. Holding of Tekton Apologetics Ministries (http://www.tektonics.org) generally does a good job of this. It is certain that, like any other work of its size, the Bible contains portions which were never intended to be taken literally. Textual criticism is a good way to reveal when this is the case.

2.) Genesis 1 in its original Hebrew is literally true. However, the universe is about 13.7 billion years old. Hugh Ross (http://www.reasons.org) and Rich Deem (http://www.godandscience.org) have done a good job of explaining how this is possible. I consider theistic evolution to be a very real possibility, but will need to see more evidence to be convinced. Yes, it is possible that Genesis 1 was one of the figurative portions.

3.) Jesus Christ was literally born of a virgin and was physically resurrected. He is the sole source of salvation. He was also God in the flesh.

4.) Salvation is attained through acceptance of Jesus Christ's gift on the cross. Those who accept will spend eternity with God in heaven. Those who do not accept this gift do not attain salvation, and will spend eternity without God in hell.

5.) Evangelism (sharing of faith) is a good thing, because it shows people how they can escape hell. It is bad whenever anyone goes to hell. I only wish we could all go to heaven. Evangelism is also good because it was commanded by Jesus.

6.) God loves everyone unconditionally. He would not send anyone to hell if justice did not force him to, and he will not reject anyone who seeks salvation.

7.) Homosexual behavior is a sin, but it is no worse than other sins such as adultery and lust. It can be forgiven, just like any other sin. I would also like to mention that homosexual attraction is not a sin. Homophobia (hatred of homosexual people) is a sin. (This is not a core Christian belief, but homosexuality seems to be on a lot of people's minds when they describe "fundamentalists".)

8.) Just as God loves everyone, Christians are called to love everyone. This includes unbelievers. It's not as though I should treat, say, a homosexual any worse than I would treat my pastor at church.

9.) Many Christians do act in hypocritical ways, judging and showing hatred towards other people while ignoring their own struggles with sin. This hypocrisy is in and of itself sin and should be avoided. However, reasoned moral objection to any given sin does not constitute hypocrisy or "judging". "Love the sinner, not the sin" is a good paradigm, even though many forget to love the sinner.

10.) Reason is a gift from God and should be used, not ignored.

EvoUK
July 2nd 2005, 10:07 PM
I used to consider fundamentalists to be a bad thing- not only are most of their beliefs utterly absurd, but most of them are backward also. However, I have since changed this belief, as I used to think of fundamentalists as YEC, gay-hating/disliking, pro-life, pro-war, pro-death penalty etc ad nausiem types. I have since found this to be false.

I would consider you a fundy, but not one of the more backward/weird ones. But I am leaving out my vote for the mean time, until I see a few more replies and get some background to make a proper vote.

Unless you have ahad a sudden conversion or have the permission of a mod in this area you are not allowed to post in a Christian only area. Thanks for abiding by the rules you agreed to when you registered at Tweb.

Jedidiah
July 3rd 2005, 12:14 AM
Evo, when did you convert to Christianity?

Tfbandie
July 3rd 2005, 12:23 AM
I voted no in context of standard ad traditional use of 'fundamentalist' which is based not on beleifs but on reasonings and rationale behind those beliefs. Fundamentalists usually being of the type to believe only ecaue they're told and refuse to attempt to see different perspectives

semmie
July 3rd 2005, 03:13 AM
I voted no in context of standard ad traditional use of 'fundamentalist' which is based not on beleifs but on reasonings and rationale behind those beliefs. Fundamentalists usually being of the type to believe only ecaue they're told and refuse to attempt to see different perspectives
being of the fundamentalist movement? no, it doesn't seem like it. that's how i voted.

but if, by "fundamentalist," you simply mean one who holds to "fundamental truths" or some other working definition, then i'd reconsider my vote.

One Bad Pig
July 3rd 2005, 03:22 AM
No, you're not a fundy AFAICT. Fundamentalism is more of a mindset than a set of beliefs.

Teallaura
July 3rd 2005, 03:41 AM
I abstain from voting at this time.

As I understand the term, no, you are not. However, I'm unclear what you mean by 'fundamentalist' and it frankly has varied shades of meaning (means one thing to one person, something else to another).

Bear in mind that a number of the posters who use the term derogatorily generally have only a particular doctrine in view - or such an amorphous definition that literally anyone identifying, as Christian would qualify.

Myself, I don't think the term has much real meaning left, being used more now as a means of derision rather than any true distinction of doctrine or worldview.

Taran Wanderer
July 3rd 2005, 04:28 AM
I think of the doctrine of separation (http://www.fundamentalbiblechurch.org/Tracts/fbcsepr1.htm) as the thing that distinguishes fundamentalism from other groups within Christianity, so unless you believe that, I would say that you're not. But I won't vote until you explain what you mean. :tongue: Although maybe that's your question--what is a fundamentalist?

CatholicSage
July 3rd 2005, 05:01 AM
Evo, when did you convert to Christianity?

I think it was an honest mistake. :smile:

Anyway, I assumed that you were using the term "fundamentalist" to mean someone who is narrow-minded and generally against things rather than for things, if that makes any sense. Essentially someone who uses religion as a club to hit others than as a real belief and lifestyle. I voted "no," because you seem to have a genuine belief and my spies report that you adhere to it fairly well. :wink:

Dr. Jack Bauer
July 3rd 2005, 06:40 AM
A fundamentalist subscribes to all of The Fundamentals a series of pamphlets published in the early 20th century. You can find them on the internet here (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/6528/fundcont.htm).

You're not a fundie unless you believe that Israel will be restored as God's covenant people on earth.

jason
July 3rd 2005, 08:52 AM
Fundamentalist is just a label one person applies to someone else who is more theologically conservative than them.

At least that is what it appears to be in practice.

Jason

Berean Todd
July 3rd 2005, 09:16 AM
I would say that you are a fundy, but not an strident or extreme one.

Tux314
July 3rd 2005, 11:21 PM
Although maybe that's your question--what is a fundamentalist?

Pretty much, yeah. The general perception from the Gentoo forums seems to be that I am a fundamentalist, but that I am more "reasonable" and "thoughtful" than most fundamentalists.

I wanted to see what the general perception here was. It seems that the primarily atheistic/agnostic crowd applies the term "fundamentalist" much more readily than the Christian crowd.

jason
July 4th 2005, 12:07 AM
The general perception from the Gentoo forums seems to be that I am a fundamentalist, but that I am more "reasonable" and "thoughtful" than most fundamentalists.

I wanted to see what the general perception here was. It seems that the primarily atheistic/agnostic crowd applies the term "fundamentalist" much more readily than the Christian crowd.
In such circumstances the term fundamentalists is used to describe anybody that takes religion seriously, unless of course you subscribe to the approved religion.

The word doesn't really mean anything as such anymore, it is just a generic term of abuse hurled against anyone who takes their religion more serioulsy than the person hurling it.

Jason

Jugulum
July 4th 2005, 12:17 AM
Pretty much, yeah. The general perception from the Gentoo forums seems to be that I am a fundamentalist, but that I am more "reasonable" and "thoughtful" than most fundamentalists.

I wanted to see what the general perception here was. It seems that the primarily atheistic/agnostic crowd applies the term "fundamentalist" much more readily than the Christian crowd.
I think yes, you are. The rule of thumb I tend to use is your #1--is the Bible inerrant and authoritative? Anyone who answers "no" is not a fundamentalist; most who answer "yes" are, the rest of the criteria tend to follow.

But all the extra associations people attach to the word "fundamentalist" make it close to useless.