Is the Church at an End?

[Krusader]

Harold Camping, owner of Family Radio, has a new book out about the end of the Church Age - which he states has been accomplished. According to Camping, Christians are simply to meet in small groups (crowded around a radio listening to his programs, it seems), and wait out the end. Does anybody know anything about this?

[jason]

I think :lolo: would sum it up well. I know nothing of this specifically, but it would not surprise me from certian sorts of misguided (and disobedient) futurists.

Jason

[Krusader]

I think :lolo: would sum it up well. I know nothing of this specifically, but it would not surprise me from certian sorts of misguided (and disobedient) futurists.

Jason

It seems to me that Camping is setting up Family Radio as the replacement for the Church. Here's some of his stuff:

http://209.10.202.163/graphical/literature/frame/

[Mark_S]

I'm with Jason :lolo:

Here's a good quote from Harold Camping:

“The results of this study indicate that the month of September of the year 1994 is to be the time for the end of history” (1994?, New York: Vantage Press, p. 531).

to which I simply answer with Deut. 18:22


Here's his final point in his new book:

"Ultimately, of course, we have learned in this study and we must realize that even if a local church could be found in which the pastor is the loving, humble overseer a pastor ought to be, the Holy Spirit would still not be saving people in that congregation. Even if the pastor is an exemplary example of a humble, faithful servant of Christ constantly praying for God’s mercy upon those to whom he is ministering the Bible, the believers should depart out. These statements are true because the era of the church age, the season of the early rain that has brought in the Pentecostal harvest of the firstfruits, has ended. The temple has come to an end so that all the precious, living stones within it have been thrown down."

But where should we turn too Mr Camping?

"Therefore, now that we have learned from the Bible that God's judgment is upon the house of God, which are the local congregations, we are now compelled to teach the biblical truth that God has shifted the final task of the world evangelism to individual Christians who are outside of the local congregations. In obedience to these biblical teachings Family Radio, which is completely outside of any church institution, and which is supported and administered by individual believers, does teach that today, as we are heading for the end of the world's existence, we should not be a part of the local church."

Oh and please send money...

[Taran Wanderer]

Harold Camping, owner of Family Radio, has a new book out about the end of the Church Age - which he states has been accomplished. According to Camping, Christians are simply to meet in small groups (crowded around a radio listening to his programs, it seems), and wait out the end. Does anybody know anything about this?
Here's the Apologetics Index page on 'im:

http://www.apologeticsindex.com/c166.html

A few months ago I accidentally discovered that we have a Family Radio station here, which made me happy because I had only read about him before. What can I say, I'm a strange person. I tune in every once in a while for the "old time religion" feel of their programming, even though Camping is a little out there.

[BoundWill]

Sounds like he's not the sharpest knife on the tree.

So, basically, he's saying throw the 96 million Americans who have no church home out with the bathwater and let's just hole up. Is he forgetting that whole Matthew 28 bit? Make disciples and such? Ridiculous.

[Krusader]

Sounds like he's not the sharpest knife on the tree.

So, basically, he's saying throw the 96 million Americans who have no church home out with the bathwater and let's just hole up. Is he forgetting that whole Matthew 28 bit? Make disciples and such? Ridiculous.

No, Camping is very smart, trust me. He owns Family Radio. My first Bible teacher, Walter Bjorck, actually did a series on Camping's station. I've always thought Camping had some strange ideas, but when he predicted the Second Coming, and his prediction failed - well, that was that for me. It wasn't until my pastor gave me Camping's latest book (my pastor totally disagrees with him), that I began to realize that he's gone off on another tangent.

[Thoughtful Monk]

Here's the Apologetics Index page on 'im:

http://www.apologeticsindex.com/c166.html

A few months ago I accidentally discovered that we have a Family Radio station here, which made me happy because I had only read about him before. What can I say, I'm a strange person. I tune in every once in a while for the "old time religion" feel of their programming, even though Camping is a little out there.

I found Family Life Radio the same way. I also appreciated the old time feel especially as they are the only consistant radio station that plays the old hymns. They do seem to be drifting in the same way as other Christian radio in that they are presenting more self-help and family ministry programs. I wish Camping wasn't so wwwwaaaayyyy out there as I could then actually support the network.

[Whipartist]

No, Camping is very smart, trust me. He owns Family Radio. My first Bible teacher, Walter Bjorck, actually did a series on Camping's station. I've always thought Camping had some strange ideas, but when he predicted the Second Coming, and his prediction failed - well, that was that for me. It wasn't until my pastor gave me Camping's latest book (my pastor totally disagrees with him), that I began to realize that he's gone off on another tangent.

I remember , I think it was 1997 or was it several years earlier? which he predicted was to be the end of the world and the return of Christ. Some people at my church had left and joined his inorder to await. I remember New Years Party, when we all noted outside of my friend's front yard that he had obviously been the kook we all thought he was since it was the year after his prediction and Christ hadn't returned yet.