"Natural Cures 'They' Don't Want You to Know About"

[johnnybanano]

Anyone read this book?

I bought it a little while ago and haven't read it all the way throught, but I've skipped around a bit. It's a very interesting book. I was just wondering if anyone else had read it and what your thoughts were?

[Cynic Sage]

Anyone read this book?

I bought it a little while ago and haven't read it all the way throught, but I've skipped around a bit. It's a very interesting book. I was just wondering if anyone else had read it and what your thoughts were?

Who is "they"?

:noid:

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNH!

[johnnybanano]

Who is "they"?

:noid:

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNH!

I believe that's Chapter 3.

It's primarily the Food and Drug Administration, who apporves the pharmaceutical drugs of publicly traded companies, and the Federal Trade Commission.

[mrsnacks]

Hi : I haven't read the book but I have gotten into natural cures many years ago . I have watched the infomercial .

I have found that the pharmaceutical drugs deal with symptoms and not the problem. They may help in a few areas but do so much damage in the long run. I don't take drugs or go to the doctor when I am sick. I take natural antibiotics and use alternative methods . Anyway there's my 2 cents.

[PrometheusX303]

Anyone read this book?

I bought it a little while ago and haven't read it all the way throught, but I've skipped around a bit. It's a very interesting book. I was just wondering if anyone else had read it and what your thoughts were?
Are those the guys who claim that heartburn is caused by a lack of stomach acid?

[johnnybanano]

Are those the guys who claim that heartburn is caused by a lack of stomach acid?

Not exactly. . .

One of his many claims is that heartburn occurs when your stomach is low on acid and food is coming in. Your stomach knows it's low on acid so it pumps a bunch in all at once to digest the food. . .basically.

[PrometheusX303]

Not exactly. . .

One of his many claims is that heartburn occurs when your stomach is low on acid and food is coming in. Your stomach knows it's low on acid so it pumps a bunch in all at once to digest the food. . .basically.

Maybe I didn't understand it well. But he claimed that drinking a small amount of vinegar would stop heartburn, thus leading to the conclusion that it is a lack of acid.

[Ryokan]

"natural cures" are just a big con, and part of the bizarre anti-intellectualism that has seized our country. If natural cures stand up to scientific scrutiny, then they are adopted by "They". Like acupuncture, for instance. The problem is most natural cures are just snake oil, and the creators refuse to allow testing required by the FDA to prove whether or not they actually work, and how well.

[Cynic Sage]

"natural cures" are just a big con, and part of the bizarre anti-intellectualism that has seized our country. If natural cures stand up to scientific scrutiny, then they are adopted by "They". Like acupuncture, for instance. The problem is most natural cures are just snake oil, and the creators refuse to allow testing required by the FDA to prove whether or not they actually work, and how well.


Or is that what "They" want you to think?

DUN DUN DUHHHHHN! :noid:

[Ryokan]

Well, I am America's corporate femal dog.

[Sheepdog]

i remember reading about something back before we knew that some types of radiation cause cancer. various companies had made all sorts of "therapies" using radioactive material. such things were supposed to supposed to cure you of all sorts of things from the cold to serious deseases.

i guess my only point is, buyer beware.

[Dee Dee Warren]

I fell for the con of the "ear cone"

[anthrogirl]

Here's a great natural cure for heartburn:

Stop eating crap food and lose some weight. Seriously, the recommended daily dose of vegetables will make a difference (because of the fiber, etc).

ag

[Sheepdog]

Here's a great natural cure for heartburn:

Stop eating crap food and lose some weight. Seriously, the recommended daily dose of vegetables will make a difference (because of the fiber, etc).

yeah. a good portion of health problems can be "cured" by simply changing unhealthy lifestyles. i think a problem with these "natural cures" -- and really to an extent modern medication -- is that some people use them to offset a problem caused by some behavior or eating habbits. (for an obvious example, you can't eat hotwings without regretting it later.) if instead we change these habits, at least with some problems (and let me make this clear of my couched language hasn't already: this only applies in some cases) they would go away.

but :sigh:, some are more willing to pop a pill than change.

[Thomas2003]

I believe that's Chapter 3.

It's primarily the Food and Drug Administration, who apporves the pharmaceutical drugs of publicly traded companies, and the Federal Trade Commission.


I have not read the book, I have looked at it. I think Mr. Truduea has been unfairly harrassed by the civil government for years - not that he is a saint and I do believe he had some fraud issues regarding credit cards at some time in the past. However, his infomercial on coral calcium was unfairly attacked by the FTC. I don't believe all of his claims regarding nutrition, but I have experienced many great benefits for me and my family through nutrition. My wife had a brain tumor that after three years of six prescription medicines and thousands upon thousand upon thousands of dollars in other treatments we "cured" with a few hundred dollars of nutrition. Of course, she is not "cured" because that would be illegal for nutrition to do that - she's just not sick anymore for an unknown reason.

I can tell you from experience, however, that the "they" of regulatory agencies is true. While "they" nominally exist to protect the public, once you get inside you learn the truth that the public interest becomes synonmous with dominant industry and the entire system becomes a heavy hand of tyrannical oppression to crush all competition to that dominant industry.

[Thomas2003]

Maybe I didn't understand it well. But he claimed that drinking a small amount of vinegar would stop heartburn, thus leading to the conclusion that it is a lack of acid.
'

Try it next time you have heartburn, it certainly isn't going to hurt you. The premise is that antiacids simply cause the stomach to produce more acid which brings the low acid symptoms into balance. That is to say the burning and belching is a digestive problem from insufficient stomach acid that causes it to rise into the esophagus.

[johnnybanano]

yeah. a good portion of health problems can be "cured" by simply changing unhealthy lifestyles.

This is the point of the book, Trudeau doesn't push any of these "natural" cures. His main goal is to let people know that pretty much everything that most of the public puts in their body is chemically engineered and for the most part poisoning them. Whether it's from flavor additives, artificial sweetners, pesticides, or whatever else food companies are allowed to put in food, he explains in the book how these things that we are consuming are the things that are causing so much of the illness that we see. There are natural ways of dealing with much of this stuff, but -- he contends -- the drug companies would rather treat the symptoms than cure the causes of many of these problems.

He doesn't promote natural cures in the traditional sense and you certainly wouldn't find him selling them (that's one of his main points of credibility), but rather he's promoting that people eat organic food that doesn't have all these chemicals and see if they have the same problems. The "natural" cures he refers to are things such as apple cider vinegar to treat heartburn, or having metal dental work removed to help with arthritis problems.

[an atypical alien]

Anyone read this book?

I bought it a little while ago and haven't read it all the way throught, but I've skipped around a bit. It's a very interesting book. I was just wondering if anyone else had read it and what your thoughts were?

I haven't read the book, but judging from the following webpages, the guy is a huckster, and I personally wouldn't buy anything from him:

http://www.infomercialwatch.org/tran/trudeau.shtml
http://www.quackwatch.org/02ConsumerProtection/FTCActions/trudeau.html
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2004/09/trudeaucoral.htm
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2005/07/29/trudeau/index_np.html


If you want good info on "natural cures" from more reliable sources, try the following links:

http://www.makersdiet.com/
http://www.mercola.com/
http://bastyrcenter.org/content/section/3/183/
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/
http://chetday.com/

[Thomas2003]

"natural cures" are just a big con, and part of the bizarre anti-intellectualism that has seized our country. If natural cures stand up to scientific scrutiny, then they are adopted by "They". Like acupuncture, for instance. The problem is most natural cures are just snake oil, and the creators refuse to allow testing required by the FDA to prove whether or not they actually work, and how well.


Well, I'm in the nutrition industry and that just flat isn't true. The international move is to ban nutritional medicine and block consumer access to nutritional remedies. In December 04 I lost all of my international sales under Codex and no longer ship nutritional products outside of the United States, this was 60% of my business.

If the pharmaceutical industry has their way not only will actifed be behind the counter at Wal-mart but so will vitamin C and all other nutritional supplements, you will need a prescription from a doctor and your total health will be managed by the State. The State that controls our entire food supply and kills people, the state that has born and fostered the obesity epidemic and it's corollary illnesses such as diabetes, heart disease and cancer.


Sickness is big business.

One drug company that I read about recently filed for an application for a drug - it included 456 volumes of information, weighed more than a ton and would stand higher than an eight story building. And after this is "approved" and it starts killing people like Vioxx and several hundred other "safe and approved" drugs it's never a regulatory fault. It costs hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars to get through the governmental red tape - one cannot even consider getting a nutritional supplement through that because it cannot be protected at law to deliver the profits necessary to pay that.

But, if you as a consumer have access to nutritional remedies that do work, then you don't pay that and you don't put money into the State health care machine. Take Red Yeast Rice for example, a proven natural remedy that cures high blood cholesterol - it's statin pharmaceutical counterpart sued to have it removed from the market, not because it was dangerous, but because it interfered with the patent and sales of the statin drug. Governmental controls aren't about consumer protection, they are about money and protecting incumbent monopoly dominance in market places - there is nothing in synthetic medicine that is not derived somehow from nature.

The historical record is that the "scientfic community" is generally 75 years late on adopting FACTS, like washing hands before surgery, doctors were defrocked and driven from their practices for asserting that cleanliness was necessary and lack of it was killing patients with infections. There can't be anything we can't see causing this! Modern man thinks he is advanced when he then says, if it didn't come out of a laboratory it's snake oil.

I have not read Mr. Trudeau's book and I am leary of him as a person, but it is true that governmental controls are utilized in contradiction to their stated claims. Much evil is done in the name of the "public interest."

[Ryokan]

Well, I'm in the nutrition industry and that just flat isn't true. The international move is to ban nutritional medicine and block consumer access to nutritional remedies. In December 04 I lost all of my international sales under Codex and no longer ship nutritional products outside of the United States, this was 60% of my business.
Shockingly, TWEB's resident conspiracy theorist, who happens to work in an industry that depends entirely on peoples mistrust of "they" in big business, believs Trudeau.
Can you show me a mainstream or mainstream alternative media organ reporting this? How about a scientific study in a mainstream, peer reviewed journal?[QUOTE]
If the pharmaceutical industry has their way not only will actifed be behind the counter at Wal-mart but so will vitamin C and all other nutritional supplements, you will need a prescription from a doctor and your total health will be managed by the State. The State that controls our entire food supply and kills people, the state that has born and fostered the obesity epidemic and it's corollary illnesses such as diabetes, heart disease and cancer. More assertions.



Sickness is big business.

One drug company that I read about recently filed for an application for a drug - it included 456 volumes of information, weighed more than a ton and would stand higher than an eight story building. And after this is "approved" and it starts killing people like Vioxx and several hundred other "safe and approved" drugs it's never a regulatory fault. It costs hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars to get through the governmental red tape - one cannot even consider getting a nutritional supplement through that because it cannot be protected at law to deliver the profits necessary to pay that. Unfortunately, small business can't afford, because of economies of scale, to do the scientific research necessary to prove their products work. Fortunately, if their is an indication they do, big companies buy their product.


But, if you as a consumer have access to nutritional remedies that do work, then you don't pay that and you don't put money into the State health care machine. Take Red Yeast Rice for example, a proven natural remedy that cures high blood cholesterol - it's statin pharmaceutical counterpart sued to have it removed from the market, not because it was dangerous, but because it interfered with the patent and sales of the statin drug. Governmental controls aren't about consumer protection, they are about money and protecting incumbent monopoly dominance in market places - there is nothing in synthetic medicine that is not derived somehow from nature. Links, peer reviewed articles about Red Yeast Rice, news articles, please.


The historical record is that the "scientfic community" is generally 75 years late on adopting FACTS, like washing hands before surgery, doctors were defrocked and driven from their practices for asserting that cleanliness was necessary and lack of it was killing patients with infections. There can't be anything we can't see causing this! Modern man thinks he is advanced when he then says, if it didn't come out of a laboratory it's snake oil. The scientific community of the 19th century, vs. now, is very different. And one example isn't, in fact, proof medicine is always 75 years behind. In fact, the ever growing life span of Americans suggests the opposite.


I have not read Mr. Trudeau's book and I am leary of him as a person, but it is true that governmental controls are utilized in contradiction to their stated claims. Much evil is done in the name of the "public interest."Yes, but this isn't a case of it.

[Ryokan]

This is the point of the book, Trudeau doesn't push any of these "natural" cures. His main goal is to let people know that pretty much everything that most of the public puts in their body is chemically engineered and for the most part poisoning them. Whether it's from flavor additives, artificial sweetners, pesticides, or whatever else food companies are allowed to put in food, he explains in the book how these things that we are consuming are the things that are causing so much of the illness that we see. There are natural ways of dealing with much of this stuff, but -- he contends -- the drug companies would rather treat the symptoms than cure the causes of many of these problems.

He doesn't promote natural cures in the traditional sense and you certainly wouldn't find him selling them (that's one of his main points of credibility), but rather he's promoting that people eat organic food that doesn't have all these chemicals and see if they have the same problems. The "natural" cures he refers to are things such as apple cider vinegar to treat heartburn, or having metal dental work removed to help with arthritis problems.The problem is he doesn't put any of his ideas up to scientific scrutiny before advising them. Which is dangerous.

[Thomas2003]

but :sigh:, some are more willing to pop a pill than change.

It's not merely popping pills that is the problem, but the religious presupposition behind it - salvation and the law as mediator. Today the FDA claims that only government controlled drugs can "cure."

Cure comes from the latin curatus, which is a priest, a cura or cure is care under a priest - that is to say "mediated healing." If only drugs can cure then law which designates them as such, becomes the defacto mediator of healing. This is not religiously neutral, but in fact in the absolute claim embodies a religious presupposition.

This is the problem, the heglian dialetic through which modern man now views medical science and governmental control of that medical science is in a mediatorial capacity dispensing salvation.

The religious presupposition behind most modern American's approach to health care and the "science" behind it is not that much different than African witchdoctors and shamans. It has become elevated to a status of magic and anything that questions the magical capabilities of the "word of man" is denounced as "quackery."

We are living in incredibly dangerous times and are not many steps from following in our medical community in the path of Nazi Germany where everyone can be placed in a utilitarian quality of life test.

[Cynic Sage]

It's not merely popping pills that is the problem, but the religious presupposition behind it - salvation and the law as mediator. Today the FDA claims that only government controlled drugs can "cure."

Cure comes from the latin curatus, which is a priest, a cura or cure is care under a priest - that is to say "mediated healing." If only drugs can cure then law which designates them as such, becomes the defacto mediator of healing. This is not religiously neutral, but in fact in the absolute claim embodies a religious presupposition.

This is the problem, the heglian dialetic through which modern man now views medical science and governmental control of that medical science is in a mediatorial capacity dispensing salvation.

The religious presupposition behind most modern American's approach to health care and the "science" behind it is not that much different than African witchdoctors and shamans. It has become elevated to a status of magic and anything that questions the magical capabilities of the "word of man" is denounced as "quackery."

We are living in incredibly dangerous times and are not many steps from following in our medical community in the path of Nazi Germany where everyone can be placed in a utilitarian quality of life test.
What the Crap are you talking about?

[QuantaFille]

Links, peer reviewed articles about Red Yeast Rice, news articles, please.Since Thomas has not provided any links on the topic, I did a quick Google search and came up with this (http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/RedYeastRicecs.html). I just skimmed over it, but at the end of that page there's a section titled "Supporting Research".
I have actually never heard of Red Yeast Rice before, I'll have to look into it further.

If the pharmaceutical industry has their way not only will actifed be behind the counter at Wal-mart but so will vitamin C and all other nutritional supplements, you will need a prescription from a doctor and your total health will be managed by the State.
You'll need a prescription to get vitamins? What kind of craziness is this? I've heard of this before, and I still don't get how the FDA could pull off something like that. You can get vitamins in food, will the FDA be requiring prescriptions for food next? Hogwash.
The document that people got this idea from (Codex's "Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements") says nothing about needing a prescription for vitamins.
More info at the FDA website, here (http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/dscodex.html). Also at Snopes.com, article here (http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/vitamins.asp).

Quanta

[Ryokan]

Since Thomas has not provided any links on the topic, I did a quick Google search and came up with this (http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/RedYeastRicecs.html). I just skimmed over it, but at the end of that page there's a section titled "Supporting Research".
I have actually never heard of Red Yeast Rice before, I'll have to look into it further.

You'll need a prescription to get vitamins? What kind of craziness is this? I've heard of this before, and I still don't get how the FDA could pull off something like that. You can get vitamins in food, will the FDA be requiring prescriptions for food next? Hogwash.
The document that people got this idea from (Codex's "Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements") says nothing about needing a prescription for vitamins.
More info at the FDA website, here (http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/dscodex.html). Also at Snopes.com, article here (http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/vitamins.asp).

QuantaThanks for the info. To be honest, I did not expect Thomas to respond. While the pharma industry is far from perfect, they aren't demons, and while the FDA can be incompetant, they generally do their best to protect us, and I doubt Thomas has anything to disprove that.

[PrometheusX303]

You'll need a prescription to get vitamins? What kind of craziness is this?


We may soon need prescriptions to but now-OTC cold remedies. This stems not from petty money issues, but from the growing popularity of meth.

[QuantaFille]

We may soon need prescriptions to but now-OTC cold remedies. This stems not from petty money issues, but from the growing popularity of meth.
OK, that makes sense, but this does not mean that vitamins will be unavailable without a prescription. Where did you hear this, BTW?

Quanta

[PrometheusX303]

OK, that makes sense, but this does not mean that vitamins will be unavailable without a prescription. Where did you hear this, BTW?

Quanta
It is a different situation than vitamins.

I heard about this on the news a while back, but I did a search to make sure.

Here are some links:

(The hyperlink button isn't working)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=law+prescription+remedies+meth&btnG=Google+Search

[mrsnacks]

Thanks for the info. To be honest, I did not expect Thomas to respond. While the pharma industry is far from perfect, they aren't demons, and while the FDA can be incompetant, they generally do their best to protect us, and I doubt Thomas has anything to disprove that.
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[Ryokan]

Thanks for the info. To be honest, I did not expect Thomas to respond. While the pharma industry is far from perfect, they aren't demons, and while the FDA can be incompetant, they generally do their best to protect us, and I doubt Thomas has anything to disprove that.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Another unsuppo attack by a resident conspiracy theorist.

[PrometheusX303]

They interviewed Trudeau on CNN the other night. I searched CNN.com for "natural cures" The first page had ads for his book. (Pluse one Fishy Vaginal Odor? ad :eww: )

Nothing about the interview...

[Mujibur]

Haven't read the book, but I've seen the infomercial. It came on when my friend in med school was there and he said the claim about the stomach acid is an incredible simplification of things, and may be true some of the time but there is much more to it than Mr. Trudeau implies and therefore his "cure" for it in most cases would do nothing. I imagine that would be the case for many of his other cures. Sure they might work sometimes, but often will not really address the real problem.

[chickenman]

personally I'd like whatever i'm prescribed to have proven efficacy and safety via randomized controlled trials, rather than the say-so of some quack who probably doesn't understand even the basics of human physiology

[shotgun]

personally I'd like whatever i'm prescribed to have proven efficacy and safety via randomized controlled trials, rather than the say-so of some quack who probably doesn't understand even the basics of human physiology
My whole "foray" into the world of all natural cures began with the book "Body By God" by Dr. Ben Lerner.

Read it! It's great for any aspiring athletes.

Anyway, all my life I had thought that maybe we as Christians should take better care of our bodies. I thought about Daniel and his friends under Babylonian captivity, and their preferred diets.


I did buy Ol' Mr. Trudeaus book, and I found some of his advice to be helpful, although I don't buy into the mass "conspiracies" that he talks about. Even if all that is true, there’s not much I can do about it anyway.

The better you eat, the better you're going to feel and perform. That’s the way God made our bodies to work. God provides us food naturally. God created our bodies to heal naturally.

All that "natural cures" do is just help your body along a little with the healing process. They don't "Cure" anything.


I'm sold on it because I like the concept (God having provided everything for us that we need to live healthy) I tried it, and it WORKS! I don't get sick anymore. Certain symptoms I’ve had that were "untreatable" by modern medicine are gone now.

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