What I believe.

[The Laughing Man]

[Note: Just post your stance on Creationism. Don't get into discussing/rebutting them here. I'd just like a reference point for everyone here.]

I do believe that God created the universe in six literal, 24-hour days and rested on the seventh. I do believe in the special Creation of mankind by God on the sixth day. I do believe that Adam was the first man and was created from from dust by God. I do believe that Eve was the first woman and was created from Adam's rib. I do believe that mankind was created perfect and sinless, but the Fall - when Adam and Eve chose to rebel against God's commands - resulted in mankind's separation from God and a universe cursed by death.

I don't believe in any sort of evolutionary origins of life. I don't believe that mankind decended from animals who in turn descended from earlier animals who in turn ultimately descended from "pond scum." I don't believe God used evolution to "create" mankind. I don't believe that death existed before the Fall (as evolution dictates).

I don't know how old the earth is, but that is irrelevent. I don't know how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, but that is irrelevent.

I think that pretty much covers the basics.

[dizzle]

Pretty much ditto to all that.

[TheFiveSolas]

Jinx,

Ditto to what you posted. My position is pretty much the same as yours.

[The Laughing Man]

I added a short but very important bit about the days of Creation: they were "literal, 24-hour days."

[Socrates]

Today @ 02:14 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=124074#post124074)
Jinx72:

[Note: Just post your stance on Creationism. Don't get into discussing/rebutting them here. I'd just like a reference point for everyone here.]

I do believe that God created the universe in six literal, 24-hour days and rested on the seventh. I do believe in the special Creation of mankind by God on the sixth day. I do believe that Adam was the first man and was created from from dust by God. I do believe that Eve was the first woman and was created from Adam's rib. I do believe that mankind was created perfect and sinless, but the Fall - when Adam and Eve chose to rebel against God's commands - resulted in mankind's separation from God and a universe cursed by death.

I don't believe in any sort of evolutionary origins of life. I don't believe that mankind decended from animals who in turn descended from earlier animals who in turn ultimately descended from "pond scum." I don't believe God used evolution to "create" mankind. I don't believe that death existed before the Fall (as evolution dictates).

Ditto to the above. :thumb:

I don't know how old the earth is, but that is irrelevent.

:idea: I do, give or take a few decades. This directly follows from your well stated recent thread about how Jesus affirmed that Adam and Eve were there "from the beginning of creation" (Mark 10:6). This also rules out "soft gap" ideas of some SDAs who want to believe in an old Earth and recent life.

The Bible also gives the timeline from Adam to Abraham. The chronology here is tight, and different from the intentional gaps in other genealogies such as Matthews of Jesus through His adoptive father Joseph -- see my post www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=22112#post22112 and it's possible to establish Abraham's date with reference to the Exodus, Monarchy, Divided Kingdom and Exile. It's no accident that many scholars calculated a creation date of around 4000 BC -- see the table in www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/docs/date_of_creation.asp

I don't know how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, but that is irrelevent.

:em7: I do, at least enough to know it can't have been more than a few days (maybe a few weeks) at the most, because Cain was conceived after the Fall. I explain this further at www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=56280#post56280

[wienerdog]

Ditto, except that I believe the days of creation are anthropomorphic. That is, they were God's days, they made up God's workweek and Sabbath rest. So I don't believe that they necessarily corresponded to man's days and workweek. However, if God tells me I'm wrong when I go before him, I won't argue the point.

[LGM]

You can pretty much switch the do's to don'ts and vice versa for me Jinx...

I do believe your "creationist" beliefs are a touching but severely misguided attempt to show your obedience and love to what you believe is "God's word", and in a way I admire your loyalty and courage at times. If I was YHWH, I would give each of you a big hug and kiss :love: right now...

But alas, the dike of knowledge has burst, and in my scriptures, this was always a part of god's plan..., so your efforts, while noble in gesture, will be washed away by your own great granchildren, such is the power of god's plan.

But please remember, "pond scum" is one of God's creations as well, and am I sure it is here for a purpose, not for you to denigrate.


-peace and understanding,

LGM
(second in science knowledge only to the mighty Socartes... :teeth:)

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[Socrates]

Yesterday @ 05:57 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=124230#post124230)
wienerdog:

Ditto, except that I believe the days of creation are anthropomorphic. That is, they were God's days, they made up God's workweek and Sabbath rest. So I don't believe that they necessarily corresponded to man's days and workweek. However, if God tells me I'm wrong when I go before him, I won't argue the point.

He has told you, in Exodus 20:8-11, which makes a causal connection between the days of Creation Week and the ordinary working week.

Frankly, this claim that these were "God's days not man's days" is a pseudo-pious way of saying that you don't really believe what God has plainly revealed (because you're intimidated by uniformitarian "science", or perhaps Kabbalistic kalumny :wink:). The whole idea is absurd -- God is outside of time, so doesn't experience time.

Man is the one who experiences time, so the days of creation have meaning only because they are the days WE experience. And Scripture was given to teach US (2 Timothy 3:15-17), so we should try to understand this passage as the original human readers would have understood it. So these were "man's days".

This is further supported by the fact that the creation days had a number and evening/morning. Either of these is a clear marker that these are ~24-hour days, but Genesis 1 has BOTH these markers.

[Sher]

Yup ... What you guys said ... including Soc's caveat

I can't be that positive on the time frame ... but it had to be fairly quickly, IMO ...

... when we look at how Eve didn't check with her husband to see if she was being deceived

... and how Adam stood to the side and watched Eve succumb, then followed HER lead ... instead of going back to God asking "Were you serious when you said ..."

[Zeus]

Shoo, boy -- this is a very difficult place to be for a guy like me. I honestly didn't realize until now that TheoWeb was such a bastion of YECism.

I believe that God created the universe. I believe Genesis is a true account of why God created and what the proper relationship is between humans and their Creator. I do not believe Genesis is a scientific textbook. I believe God created mankind. I do believe that Adam was literally the first man and was literally created from from dust by God. I do believe that Eve was literally the first woman. I do believe that mankind was created perfect and sinless, but the Fall - when Adam and Eve chose to rebel against God's commands - resulted in mankind's separation from God and that mankind was cursed by both spiritual death (separation from God) and the awareness of physical death.

I know that all known species have originated evolutionarily. I know that mankind decended from animals who in turn descended from earlier animals who in turn ultimately descended from "pond scum." I know that God used evolution to create mankind. I don't believe that human death existed before the Fall (since humans did not exist before the Fall). I believe that death of non-human life existed before the Fall. I believe the curse of death was literally given to Man alone.

I know approximately how old the earth is, but that is irrelevant for spiritual matters. I don't know how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, and that is also irrelevant.

[foLtage]

My theory on the creation of the universe is that God set things in motion, and let them develop in the direction He chose. I believe in a universe older than 6000 years because there is evidence to support it. If there were evidence contrary to that, I would reconsider this belief.

Personaly I find the idea of evolutionary creation an eloquent way of devolping intelligent life. Simply willing the universe into existence one part at a time seems a little heavy handed in my view of God. But hey, thats just me.

[johnransom]

I believe that God created the universe, over an unspecified period, at least as long as a single terrestrial growing season as required by Genesis 2:4-6 but more likely vastly longer, and in an unspecified order, expressed as either a figurative terrestrial week or an actual heavenly week (whatever that might be), thereby forming the basis of Sabbatology.

I reject any evolutionary inferences drawn from the above, evolution being patent bunk (beyond ordinary variation). Consequently, I believe in the special creations of Adam and Eve as described in Genesis. As to their sinlessness prior to the Fall - to the extent that they had committed no sin, yes, but to the extent that they were obviously capable of sinning, no. As for them being perfect, I am not sure what is meant by this. Certainly they were created very good. In at least one sense, perfection exists uniquely in God.

[Socrates]

Zeus: I honestly didn't realize until now that TheoWeb was such a bastion of YECism.

You've gotta be joking :duh:, since your own poll showing a massive support for atheistic evolutionism demonstrates how much the infidel wolf pack has invaded TWeb :poke:. And they gain much comfort from professing Christians who tell them that their pseudo-intellectual grounds for atheism is scientifically correct.:hrm:

The main difference between YECs and everyone else is the basis for their beliefs, as shown by the cartoon below.

[Socrates]

06-17-2003 @ 01:03 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=124939#post124939)
Sher:

... when we look at how Eve didn't check with her husband to see if she was being deceived

... and how Adam stood to the side and watched Eve succumb, then followed HER lead ... instead of going back to God asking "Were you serious when you said ..."

Oh, Adam probably did remind her of what God said. And Eve probably replied with the same "reasoning" of the likes of Morpheus. I.e. they must discount God's propositional revelation and go by the empirical evidence alone, as per methodological naturalism. And her empirical tests showed that the fruit was pleasant to look at and tasty to eat. Or rather, as they soon found out, empirical evidence must be interpreted according to a paradigm, and since Eve's paradigm discounted God's warning, her interpretation of the evidence deceived her. Adam was not deceived (1 Timothy 2:13-14) but succumbed to his wife's faulty epistemology.

[GrayPilgrim]

06-15-2003 @ 10:14 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=124074#post124074)
Jinx72:

[Note: Just post your stance on Creationism. Don't get into discussing/rebutting them here. I'd just like a reference point for everyone here.]

I do believe that God created the universe in six literal, 24-hour days and rested on the seventh. I do believe in the special Creation of mankind by God on the sixth day. I do believe that Adam was the first man and was created from from dust by God. I do believe that Eve was the first woman and was created from Adam's rib. I do believe that mankind was created perfect and sinless, but the Fall - when Adam and Eve chose to rebel against God's commands - resulted in mankind's separation from God and a universe cursed by death.

I don't believe in any sort of evolutionary origins of life. I don't believe that mankind decended from animals who in turn descended from earlier animals who in turn ultimately descended from "pond scum." I don't believe God used evolution to "create" mankind. I don't believe that death existed before the Fall (as evolution dictates).

I don't know how old the earth is, but that is irrelevent. I don't know how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, but that is irrelevent.

I think that pretty much covers the basics.


I would agree with most of this the age area I might differ, but at most I could go to 10,000s of years to account for discrepancies (in our copies, i.e. text critical issues) in the geneaologies, but I also have no problem with 6,000 years or so (although I can't go with Ussher's exactness).

[AV1611]

I don't believe that God created the universe in six literal, 24-hour days and rested on the seventh because a day for it to be 24 hours needs to have the Sun and moon but these were not 'created' until the fourth 'day'. I do believe in the special Creation of mankind by God. I do believe that Adam was the first man and was created from from dust by God. I do believe that Eve was the first woman and was created from Adam's rib. I do believe that mankind was created perfect and sinless, but the Fall - when Adam and Eve chose to rebel against God's commands - resulted in mankind's separation from God and a universe cursed by death.

I don't believe in any sort of evolutionary origins of life. I don't believe that mankind decended from animals who in turn descended from earlier animals who in turn ultimately descended from "pond scum." I don't believe God used evolution to "create" mankind.

I don't know how old the earth is, and that is irrelevent. I don't know how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, and that is irrelevent.

[Kristian Joense]

You don't need the sun and moon for an ordinary 24 hour day, you only need ligth and the earths rotation and as God said "Let their be ligth".

What was that ligth ? I have no idea.

What do i believe ?

I DO beilieve that God created the universe and the earth and all the KINDS(but not species) of animals in 6 literal days some 6000 years ago.

[Lion]

What do I believe?
The earth may have existed long before God started to creat life on it.
Life was created by god some 6000 years ago, in 6 24 hour days.
The earth became wicked and God destroyed it with the flood.
The flood began in what we call spring and ended about a year later.
The wooly mammoths were frozen toward the end of the flood at the beginning of what scientists call the ice age. The ice caused the waters to go down rapidly to a level some 500 feet below present sea level.
There was an ice age, but not the long ages evolutionists think.
The fountains of the great deep (Gen 7:11) exist today as the midocean ridges, a 44,000 mile scar in the ocean bottom, one arm of which runs through los Angles and San Francisco and is the reason for so many earthquakes.

[Jack777]

I believe that God created the universe, spoke the worlds into existence. He created the universe in Beginning, pre-incarnate Christ as Creator and by the Holy Spirit. The different dimensions, the different aspects of the universe, all of creation is due to God.