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dizzle
August 5th 2005, 11:59 PM
http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/childlabor/

I found this right after listening to Upton Churchill's The Jungle

$cirisme
August 6th 2005, 11:48 PM
Well, now that was depressing.

Amazing Rando
August 7th 2005, 05:07 PM
http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/childlabor/

I found this right after listening to Upton Churchill's The Jungle

That's Upton Sinclair.

Dave G
August 7th 2005, 05:11 PM
More famously, I think, was Sinclair writing about a man falling into a grinder and being processed with the rest of the meat.

Harfelugan
August 7th 2005, 08:47 PM
It's good the know that for the most part this isn't tolerated for American children any longer and has been relegated to migrant illegal alien children harvesting our fruits and vegitables and foriegn children in the third world countries making our low cost imported products that we we can no longer produce competitively enough . But as they say ,"Out of sight out of mind." . Those faces are still out there and all of us are responsible.

Trout
August 7th 2005, 09:20 PM
It's good the know that for the most part this isn't tolerated for American children any longer and has been relegated to migrant illegal alien children harvesting our fruits and vegitables and foriegn children in the third world countries making our low cost imported products that we we can no longer produce competitively enough . But as they say ,"Out of sight out of mind." . Those faces are still out there and all of us are responsible.

Our youth are treated much better nowadays. They watch MTV and play violent video games, and pirate Gansta Rap music off the internet.

You know, that generation of youth, (1908-1912) produced the greatest generation of children, perhaps we should re-think our child labor laws?

Harfelugan
August 9th 2005, 09:32 PM
Our youth are treated much better nowadays. They watch MTV and play violent video games, and pirate Gansta Rap music off the internet.

You know, that generation of youth, (1908-1912) produced the greatest generation of children, perhaps we should re-think our child labor laws?
That's a matter of choice and at least they have a choice . Many American youth take the same choice and use it for good. At least I think a few of them did.

Sheepdog
August 9th 2005, 09:46 PM
Our youth are treated much better nowadays. They watch MTV and play violent video games, and pirate Gansta Rap music off the internet.

You know, that generation of youth, (1908-1912) produced the greatest generation of children, perhaps we should re-think our child labor laws?

if i were to guess, i'd say they were the greatest generation because they saw what they went through and sought that no future generation would have to go through it too.

Sheepdog
August 9th 2005, 09:47 PM
It's good the know that for the most part this isn't tolerated for American children any longer and has been relegated to migrant illegal alien children harvesting our fruits and vegitables and foriegn children in the third world countries making our low cost imported products that we we can no longer produce competitively enough . But as they say ,"Out of sight out of mind." . Those faces are still out there and all of us are responsible.

no, the apathetic dictatorships over them are responsible.

Harfelugan
August 9th 2005, 09:55 PM
no, the apathetic dictatorships over them are responsible.
Thank you , I was feeling way to much guilt thinking my greed to have the good life with the cheapest price tag might have had something to do with it. I feel much better now that thats cleared up .

Sheepdog
August 9th 2005, 10:13 PM
Thank you , I was feeling way to much guilt thinking my greed to have the good life with the cheapest price tag might have had something to do with it. I feel much better now that thats cleared up .

at least you are just speaking for yourself :ahem:

Harfelugan
August 11th 2005, 09:59 PM
at least you are just speaking for yourself :ahem:
Not that simple to absolve yourself from the corporate guilt of the society you live in . To deny your guilt or that you have no responsibility in the issue makes you a enabler of the political despots and the economic systems that victimize the poor . A cold mindset of a coolder heart.

Sheepdog
August 14th 2005, 07:29 PM
Not that simple to absolve yourself from the corporate guilt of the society you live in .

you really haven't shown that our society has this supposed corporate guilt to begin with. BTW, have you absolved yourself of this guilt?

To deny your guilt or that you have no responsibility in the issue makes you a enabler of the political despots and the economic systems that victimize the poor . A cold mindset of a coolder heart.

the only way to not be an enabler of such despots is to forcibly come in and remove them from power. even if we didn't buy from their country, they would still oppress the poor. (and it would be even worse since the poor would then have no money, as opposed to very little.)

do you think we should invade a country that poses no immediate threat to us?

Harfelugan
August 15th 2005, 12:45 AM
you really haven't shown that our society has this supposed corporate guilt to begin with. BTW, have you absolved yourself of this guilt?[[[[[[If you need proof of our nations corporate guilt then it will do no good to show you the evidenses implied or evident , you are in denile .It would be like trying to explain faith to an Athiest . And my point to you was that this is a non-absolvable issue so dont use the Pee Wee Hermin defense on me . This is one of those things we have to live with like the other shameful things in our lives that God has forgiven us for but the people around us all know what we did .]]]]]



the only way to not be an enabler of such despots is to forcibly come in and remove them from power. even if we didn't buy from their country, they would still oppress the poor. (and it would be even worse since the poor would then have no money, as opposed to very little.)[[[[[[You are correct , but the reasons they would oppress them then would not involve using them as slave or cheap expendable labor to satisfy our easy lifestyles . The guilt of opression would be solely on their heads.]]]]]

do you think we should invade a country that poses no immediate threat to us? No I dont we shouldnt even invade the countries that do pose an immediate threat to us until all other options have been tried .