When Jesus was crucified

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Was any part of Him actually like separated from God the Father? More specifically, how would that work?

[National Intelligence Director Phoenix]

Was any part of Him actually like separated from God the Father? More specifically, how would that work?

Hi Joan! You've asked a good question!

First off, what does it take to bring about separation from God? Sin. So if Jesus was separated, was it physical? How could it be? God is non-physical. The Father and the Son had shared intimacy in the Trinity for all eternity. On the cross, Jesus took upon himself that came between that intimacy.

In fact, when JEsus is in the garden, he's praying that there be another way. I think this has NOTHING to do with physical pain. I think it's all about that moment when he would be the scapegoat bearing the sins of the world. In this case, taht is what he wanted to avoid. How would it be if we had that same desire to be without sin to maintain the highest fellowship with the Father?

But when Jesus died, he said "It is finished." THe price was paid and there was no need for Jesus to "go to Hell" to pay it off. In fact, we're told he entered Heaven in Hebrews when he died and was immediately with the thief on the cross as well.

Hope this helps!

[Palinator]

But when Jesus died, he said "It is finished." THe price was paid and there was no need for Jesus to "go to Hell" to pay it off. In fact, we're told he entered Heaven in Hebrews when he died and was immediately with the thief on the cross as well.
Why was that all that had to happen?

[National Intelligence Director Phoenix]

Why was that all that had to happen?

Hi Joan! Glad to continue.

It was all that needed to happen because Christ was completing the offering. When the animal died in the OT, the sins were considered paid for.The death of the animal was put in place of the death of the community. In Christian thought, the death of Christ takes the place of the death of Christians.

I remember an illustration that Jesus took the hit of death for us, and we only get hit by the shadow of death.

I'd recommend C.S. Lewis's "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" on this one. The death of Aslan is quite interesting.

Also, you might want to consider studying the Passover connections to Jesus. Michael Brown has some good books out on "Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus." You can find one that talks about the concept of substitution and atonement in Volume 2 of his work. It deals with theological objections.

[GhostontheNet]

In fact, when JEsus is in the garden, he's praying that there be another way. I think this has NOTHING to do with physical pain. In light of Yeshua being fully human as well as fully divine - why not? Why could He not be in agony over His now at hand excruciation in crucifiction (indeed, excruciating is derived linguistically from crucifiction), and worse and more painful still, uttermost shame and dishonor in the process?

[National Intelligence Director Phoenix]

In light of Yeshua being fully human as well as fully divine - why not? Why could He not be in agony over His now at hand excruciation in crucifiction (indeed, excruciating is derived linguistically from crucifiction), and worse and more painful still, uttermost shame and dishonor in the process?

Granted he could have. I can accept that. I will say though that I still think the main emphasis was on the spiritual separation. We see no indication that Jesus resisted the executioners for instance, but he cried out about the status with the Father.

Thanks for the valid point!

[GhostontheNet]

Granted he could have. I can accept that. I will say though that I still think the main emphasis was on the spiritual separation. We see no indication that Jesus resisted the executioners for instance, but he cried out about the status with the Father.

Thanks for the valid point! It is indeed possible though to fully submit to what you wish you didn't have to do.

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If Jesus went straight to heaven, is this not relevant to what happened?

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient...

[National Intelligence Director Phoenix]

If Jesus went straight to heaven, is this not relevant to what happened?

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient...

Joan. This is one of the most debated passages in the NT. I'd recommend getting a good commentary on 1 Peter 3 to check it out, but a likely view seems to be that through the Spirit, Christ was preaching through Noah.

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Thanks.