I'm a better atheist than you are.

[juliod]

I'm not enturely convinced that we need a forum for atheists to discuss things.

But I just wanted to say that I beleive less in god or gods than any of you guys.

DanZ

[Alien]

Oh no you're not ....... (is he, children?)

[rocket]

Yesterday @ 05:36 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=125549#post125549)
juliod:

I'm not enturely convinced that we need a forum for atheists to discuss things.

But I just wanted to say that I beleive less in god or gods than any of you guys.

DanZ

Well I never!!! Can you actually out-atheist somebody? How do you even measure it for christs sake?...Uh oh...something just went terribly wrong there...

I know this is the naturalism area, but please respect that this a Christian-owned site and we do not allow Christ's name to be used in that manner anywhere on this forum. Thank you.

[Nowhere357]

juliod:

I'm not entirely convinced that we need a forum for atheists to discuss things.

Is this like the kid's table at Thanksgiving, or more like a cock fighting ring? Or are the site owners really just good people, trying an interesting idea?


But I just wanted to say that I believe less in god or gods than any of you guys.
:rofl:

As a skeptic, the only thing I know for sure is that I seem to exist. But I'm not sure...

Top that!

[Roy]

06-17-2003 @ 05:36 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=125549#post125549)
juliod:

But I just wanted to say that I beleive less in god or gods than any of you guys.


No you don't - or you'd have said "I believe less in any god or gods (whatever they are)".

So there.

ROy

[justwonder]

Even I, am not a god!

[Barron]

07-02-2003 @ 05:51 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=137429#post137429)
rthearle:

No you don't - or you'd have said "I believe less in any god or gods (whatever they are)".

So there.


Well you may be athier, but I am the athiest!

Barron

[Nowhere357]

Barron:
Well you may be athier, but I am the athiest!


:bow:

[BeHereNow]

Nowhere357:

Is this like the kid's table at Thanksgiving, or more like a cock fighting ring? Or are the site owners really just good people, trying an interesting idea?


I like the second analogy. :rofl:

[Rose Raven]

Another nitpick here. Wasn't his name more probably something closer to Yehoshua? Also, I was taught that to 'christian' something used to involve slamming a human sacrifice against the hull of a new ship, thus its use as an insult against the Jewish splinter cult who identified themselves as 'Nazarenes' (this is the origin of the word 'cretin' in our vocabulary).

Also, I think the deity was merely forbidding the speaking or writing down of his REAL name, which is why he refused to give Moses an actual name in the story of the burning bush. I think that this is supposed to imply that his name carries a power that no mortal man could possibly understand. By the way, Yah is the hebrew word for 'I am,' and Yahweh means something along the lines of 'I am what I am.'

Therefore, the traditional Judeo-Christian taboo against saying 'Yahweh' or 'god' (respectively) is incorrect because these are mere pseudonyms.

[usarmy770]

So you want to talk semantics? You've picked just the right man.


07-29-2003 @ 02:55 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=161570#post161570)
Rose Raven:

Another nitpick here. Wasn't his name more probably something closer to Yehoshua? Also, I was taught that to 'christian' something used to involve slamming a human sacrifice against the hull of a new ship, thus its use as an insult against the Jewish splinter cult who identified themselves as 'Nazarenes' (this is the origin of the word 'cretin' in our vocabulary).

Although his name was Yeshua (Iesous in Greek), he has been nicknamed Christos and that would technically be classified as another one of his names.

A "Christening" is the ceremony during which a ship is named. It comes fom an ancient pagan custom. The only relationship it has to "Christianity" is in the root word. Christos- annointed one; Christoe - I annoint. This is absolutely no relation to the word "cretin" in our vocabulary.


Also, I think the deity was merely forbidding the speaking or writing down of his REAL name, which is why he refused to give Moses an actual name in the story of the burning bush. I think that this is supposed to imply that his name carries a power that no mortal man could possibly understand. By the way, Yah is the hebrew word for 'I am,' and Yahweh means something along the lines of 'I am what I am.'

The law was forbidding any unnecessary use of the deity's name. For example, as an expression of oath ("I swear to God,") or exclamation ("By the gods!").

Yah is not the hebrew word for "I am," Anochi is. The expression which means something along the lines of "I am what I am" is Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh.


Therefore, the traditional Judeo-Christian taboo against saying 'Yahweh' or 'god' (respectively) is incorrect because these are mere pseudonyms.

It's not a mere taboo, it's an injunction. Pseudonym or not; in the Judeo-christian tradition, pseudonyms count as names too. [Look up BT Kethuvoth and Gittin.]

What level of fluency do you maintain in Biblical Hebrew anyway? What about Koine Greek?

Brian Keller
Epitome of Perfection

The first requirement for talking semantics is to have a clue.


Kevin, this area is for NON-THEISTS only. Any other posts by you will be deleted. Please read the instructions when posting in a new area.

[Rose Raven]

Actually, I am quite certain that Yehoshua was closer to the original long form. Excuse me for getting the terms mixed up, yah means 'he is' and not 'i am.' I hit pretty close to the mark, though, and it doesn't invalidate my point.

You claim rather blandly that cretin and christian haven't common roots without giving any alternative background on the word 'cretin'. I am sure that you are aware that 'cretin' is an accepted spelling of the French word for 'Christian'. One of the reasons I like the French is that they've been calling you cretins for centuries. I don't really know of any other background on the word, so until you find information to the contrary my original claim must stand for whatever it is worth.

In case you didn't know, I was referring to, I think, the Viking habit of doing this. They did this stuff because, you know, they loved their ships, and they were big on sacrifices and stuff, so there you go. I think that the tradition of human sacrifice became popular so often in primitive societies because it kept populations down, thus saving keeping a crowded environment socially stable and well-fed. Then again, you have to take into account the wasteful practice of animal sacrifice, so...anyway, that's beside the point.

Did you also know that in some versions of Greek, I think it was the 3.0 version, Iesous actually means 'hail Zeus'? You see, what I find funny about you cretins is that you mess around with the pagans a lot and try to murder them because you're just stupid like that, and you don't even realize that you are worshipping the same bloody god. Then again, it had an entirely different meaning during that time period, something equivelant to 'salvation' I believe...you do realize that I obsess over this stuff by now, right? Oddly enough, this is stuff that I learned while I was still a Christian even before I became an agnostic and LONG before I realized that the religion was overrun by fascists, such as Shrub, Asscroft, and yourself, whom I really didn't want to be associated with. For those of you who don't know me, that is the reason I originally altogether quit Christianity.

You do know, of course, that the Nazarenes were originally persecuted. This is partially because a lot of people thought they were cannibals, and it is possible that some actually were but were hunted down and destroyed, thankfully. Your messed-up religion was originally hated, and it wasn't just hated by people who wanted you persecuted, there were perfectly decent, Brady Bunch type people who didn't want you anywhere near their neighborhoods.

You know, the first step to discussing this stuff intelligently is having a trace of respect for the person you are discussing it with. I would try to engage you on the topic privately as well as publicly, but I'm not going to here or in private because I don't want anything to do with your typically bigoted cretin self.

You know, since it has come to tossing insults around, you wouldn't know a clue if it hit you in your ignorant redneck christian head. Hey, I've got an idea! Maybe we should turn this thread into a big, ignorant flamewar!

No, that wouldn't work. I'm going back to school (college) soon and don't have time for a pointless exchange of pithy insults. In fact, I won't have time for any of this because my free time is soon to be TERMINATED WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE.

[Peter Kirby]

God is the best atheist because he knows there's no higher being than Him. :poke:

best,
Peter Kirby

[beeblebrox]

Is there anything only athiests can argue about other than who is the best one? (which is me of course! unless I don't really exist)

I'm sure we could find something to discuss like, you know, logical fallacies and how to recognize them. ok...too boring huh?

Something to ponder here: What if in the middle of this sentence (here) I converted to a theistic worldview. Would I be deleted? Or would we all debate where the middle of the sentence was located? hmmm...

So, can anyone think of any non-confrontational unoffending interesting theological topics which are uniquely ours??

Are we allowed to tell deconversion stories? (I don't really have a good one, just wondering).

Maybe we could set up a pearl exchange? Atheists deserve pearls too!

beeble
(rambles when insomnia kicks in :))

[Ben Franklin]

06-17-2003 @ 05:36 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=125549#post125549)
juliod:

I'm not enturely convinced that we need a forum for atheists to discuss things.

But I just wanted to say that I beleive less in god or gods than any of you guys.

DanZ

Ha ! I don't BELIEVE in anything, because I'm the Ultra-Realist ! WHOO-HOO ! Show me the money !

:lol:

[Centurion]

:pray:

I just want to point out that "religion" is life based around belief. So, if athiesm is the belief that there is no such thing as "religion" or God, or any gods for that matter, and they base their lives upon this, then wouldn't athiesm be the "religion of no religions"?

Just a thought....

[EvoUK]

if atheism is a religion, then "bald" is a hair colour...

[Mahler]

if atheism is a religion, then "bald" is a hair colour...

Well said! I'm a theist. However, I've posted here elsewhere a couple of times recently, stating that atheism, also, is not a belief, it's better called the absence of belief. What do you think? It could be argued that atheism is an expression of belief, in the non-existence of a God, but I don't follow this line of reasoning, hence, I also avoid twisting reasoning around to the point of calling atheism a religion. If you encounter any theist that cares to debate you on this at least you have one theist that agrees with you here.

[Bob the Builder]

Well said! I'm a theist. However, I've posted here elsewhere a couple of times recently, stating that atheism, also, is not a belief, it's better called the absence of belief. What do you think?

I think it depends on the atheist. Me, I actively believe there are no gods.