Chime in on the 'UFO' phenomena

[Scruffy]

Whats your take on the UFO phenomena? Ever seen a UFO? Are they mentioned in the Bible? Are they just 'weather ballons'?

[shunyadragon]

Whats your take on the UFO phenomena? Ever seen a UFO? Are they mentioned in the Bible? Are they just 'weather ballons'?

I have to vote other, because even though natural explanations most likely applies to most UFOs, there is the posibility that they are indeed spacecraft from other planets.

What is mentioned in the bible is not coherent enough to come to any conclusions concerning them referring to UFOs.

[jason]

The problem with the poll question is that most UFO sightings are weather ballong etc. Yet it appears that there are a small number that still remain after you count for things like that. Thus I would want to vote for more than one category.

Jason

[sylas]

News Flash. Authorities advise that the light now visible in the sky over the city is not a UFO. However, they're not sure what it is yet...

[wfaber]

What is mentioned in the bible is not coherent enough to come to any conclusions concerning them referring to UFOs.
Then by definition, wouldn't they be UFOs? I mean, if the Bible identified them, they wouldn't be unidentified flying objects.

[Teallaura]

Using the most technical reading of the definition there are thousands of UFO's sighted daily - anything you see that you can't identify would meet the definition. there would also be Biblical phenomena that would then meet that definition as well - Ezekiel's wheel coming immediately to mind.

Using a less literal reading, defining the UFO phenomena as things which cannot be readily identified, I'm not convinced you could make a good Biblical case for such events in the Bible - every 'flying' object of unusual or unspecified nature is identified in some manner, generally as having originated from God (Zeke's wheel fitting this reading well).

I suspect natural origins for even the persistently unidentified objects - but I think any reliable (excluding known hoaxers) account should be given a fair hearing, even if it proves to be erroneous. If you start with a base supposition and will not entertain any alternate possiblity at all, you're results are automatically skewed.

Alien spacecraft? I doubt it (I like Calvin's, of the Calvin and Hobbes comic strip, explanation: "the best evidence for intelligent life elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has visited Earth"). Previously unknow natural phenomena, possibly. Some schmuck with a pie plate and a computer, at times, no doubt. I've seen some compelling accounts, so I think it best to simply withhold judgment and see where the evidence ultimately leads.

[Duder]

I used to think UFOs were extraterrestrial visitors. However, once I got a proper appreciation for the massive amounts of energy that would be required for interstellar journeys, I became skeptical.

Now that large numbers of dedicated people have listened to the heavens for intelligent radio signals and found none, I grow more skeptical. If there were as many ET's coming to earth as the UFOlogists believe, surely the skies must be awash with interstellar chatter. Instead, there's just static. Technical civilizations must be very rare out there, and the odds of a visitor from one of them making his way to the earth must be very slim.

UFOs are a mixture of hoaxes, misidentified artificial and natural phenomena, with the occasional experience of a psychological archetype thrown in for good measure.

[Katt]

hi everyone,

you know, don't you, that we are not just talking about sightings but also about encounters with spacecraft like vehicles and other worldly beings, including what is termed abductions?

if you do a search through the internet you will find thousands of people claiming close encounters of the third kind and if you talk to them you will find that they are not crazy but truly did experience something.

and such encounters seem to be on the increase.

additional questions that may be worth our consideration are: who are these beings contacting humanity? where do they come from? why are they here? and what is it about these times that has caused an increase in such occurances?


katt

[wfaber]

hi everyone,

you know, don't you, that we are not just talking about sightings but also about encounters with spacecraft like vehicles and other worldly beings, including what is termed abductions?

if you do a search through the internet you will find thousands of people claiming close encounters of the third kind and if you talk to them you will find that they are not crazy but truly did experience something.

and such encounters seem to be on the increase.

additional questions that may be worth our consideration are: who are these beings contacting humanity? where do they come from? why are they here? and what is it about these times that has caused an increase in such occurances?


katt
No doubt many people claim to have that experience and sincerely believe it. There are also many adults who grew up in a loving home with a close relationship with their fathers, waking up one morning with the shocking realization that they had been sexually molested by their fathers as a child, yet never recalling the incident. Psychologists have come to the conclusion that the mind can create these false memories.

The problem is that it is so real to these people that they can't conceive of them as being false. So they think of them as repressed memories. They claim that the experience was so horrible that their brain was able to erase every trace of memory as a defensive mechanism. It has destroyed a lot of families and devastated a lot of innocent fathers who never harmed their daughters.

So what is more logical? Believing that the mind is capable of creating false memory, or that alien life forms managed to travel dozens of light years and come into contact with certain individuals while never leaving any physical trace of their existence?

[Katt]

So what is more logical? Believing that the mind is capable of creating false memory, or that alien life forms managed to travel dozens of light years and come into contact with certain individuals while never leaving any physical trace of their existence?

who said that these beings and their vehicles exist in our universe? who said that all of creation exists at our same level of sensity, hence perceivable with our mundane senses?

there are certainly other worlds that we cannot see, worlds where the demons and angels spoken of in the Bible reside. and places where the visions of scripture are encountered.

Jesus said there were many mansions in God's creation, He Himself traveling in and out of them after His resurrection.

so why is in not possible that God has more children than just humans and that they live across multiple universes? This particular universe cut off from the others, veiled.

the visitation then by other world beings then would not occur when they travel across our physical universe, but when they travel from one universe to another in the same way that angels and demons move between worlds.

there just might be a whole lot going on that we may not be able to see with our eyes.


katt

[shunyadragon]

Then by definition, wouldn't they be UFOs? I mean, if the Bible identified them, they wouldn't be unidentified flying objects.

True, but based on our current knowledge of what was recorded thousands of years ago, what they saw could be abything or nothing.

[mentored1]

Very classic discussion - but well worth the thought...


What about a notion that these 'visitors' and their 'craft' are in fact humans from a distant future who have discovered capabilities of travelling through time? They would not need to travel through space as they would be moving in the same spatial area (roughly) and perhaps had discovered ways to move back through time...

Perhaps they are archaelogists? or anthropologists? Looking to poke and prod some of their distant relatives? Perhaps our encounters with them is what drives us forward to create some of the things we encounter?

I think I read a story about this once where far future man goes back to primordial days to seed the planet with genetic material thus ensuring his own existence... Sort of a paradoxical thingy...

Of course it's fiction but c'mon I watched 'Back to The Future' the other night! What do you expect?

Take care