christians helping satanists?

[whoweepsforkirk]

there is a member here who is an admitted satanist. he is very clear that he believes in satan. as in, not the type of satanist who is an individualist or non-conformist, but the type who worships the enemy of jesus. the guy in a red suit. the lord of lies, etc.

now, in my interactions with him both here and on other sites, he is mostly a gentleman, i'll give him that. mostly.

however, it seems that there are some avowed christians both here and on other sites, who seem to be falling all over themselves to wish him well and pat him on the back for being such a nice guy. they wish him luck in changing the perceptions people have about his religion.

now, i'm glad when people get along and all, but, AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS THIS IS CRAZY?!

a christian, wishing a SATANIST well? hoping he debunks the fallacies people believe about his religion.

the fallacies like what? his god HATES your god! they are enemies! he stands for everything you don't. he stands for the exact opposite of you.

he is a nice guy, but how do you know it is real? just to play devil's advocate (wink), how do you know he is being genuine. after all, HE WORSHIPS THE LORD OF LIES!

does this seem strange to anyone else? how can you be true to christianity and wish a satanist well? that is basically wishing good luck to the devil!

it is enough to make a brain short circuit! the pope would roll over in his grave!

[Bill the Cat]

there is a member here who is an admitted satanist. he is very clear that he believes in satan. as in, not the type of satanist who is an individualist or non-conformist, but the type who worships the enemy of jesus. the guy in a red suit. the lord of lies, etc.

now, in my interactions with him both here and on other sites, he is mostly a gentleman, i'll give him that. mostly.

however, it seems that there are some avowed christians both here and on other sites, who seem to be falling all over themselves to wish him well and pat him on the back for being such a nice guy. they wish him luck in changing the perceptions people have about his religion.

now, i'm glad when people get along and all, but, AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS THIS IS CRAZY?!

a christian, wishing a SATANIST well? hoping he debunks the fallacies people believe about his religion.

the fallacies like what? his god HATES your god! they are enemies! he stands for everything you don't. he stands for the exact opposite of you.

he is a nice guy, but how do you know it is real? just to play devil's advocate (wink), how do you know he is being genuine. after all, HE WORSHIPS THE LORD OF LIES!

does this seem strange to anyone else? how can you be true to christianity and wish a satanist well? that is basically wishing good luck to the devil!

it is enough to make a brain short circuit! the pope would roll over in his grave!
Where have you interacted with him here? Could you give us a link?

[Cynic Sage]

there is a member here who is an admitted satanist. he is very clear that he believes in satan. as in, not the type of satanist who is an individualist or non-conformist, but the type who worships the enemy of jesus. the guy in a red suit. the lord of lies, etc.

Uh huh.


now, in my interactions with him both here and on other sites, he is mostly a gentleman, i'll give him that. mostly.

Yup.



however, it seems that there are some avowed christians both here and on other sites, who seem to be falling all over themselves to wish him well and pat him on the back for being such a nice guy. they wish him luck in changing the perceptions people have about his religion.

Well, a nice satanist is a rare occurence.


now, i'm glad when people get along and all, but, AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS THIS IS CRAZY?!

a christian, wishing a SATANIST well? hoping he debunks the fallacies people believe about his religion.

Well, with the fallacies debunked, we'll be able to attack his religion in ways more effective than before.


the fallacies like what? his god HATES your god! they are enemies! he stands for everything you don't. he stands for the exact opposite of you.

He lost at the Golgatha two-stix, He is a such a pathetic adversary of the Church, we've managed to be evil w/out him for many years (if your a Preterist, that is).



he is a nice guy, but how do you know it is real? just to play devil's advocate (wink), how do you know he is being genuine. after all, HE WORSHIPS THE LORD OF LIES!

I figure if we give him enough rope, he'll eventually hang himself. Others have done so on Tweb.



does this seem strange to anyone else? how can you be true to christianity and wish a satanist well? that is basically wishing good luck to the devil!

14Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.

I don't understand how it is like wishing good luck to the devil.

[anewlife]

He goes by Geifodd.

Despite the claims above... I have discussed many topics with him -- religious and the not. I approach him as I would any other person whom thinks differently or has a non-Christian view.

I see nothing wrong with making contact or debating with him. He does not represent any fringe case of his belief -- and I think he has stated his case here already. How can we reach others if we do not let them eat at our table? I seem to recall a very famous person who allowed others not like him at his table...

:ahem:

[Faramir]

1. Our God told us to Love our Enemies.

2. All people are created in the image of our God and are worthy of respect, whether they recognize that image or not.

3. We are nice people.

4. All of the above.

[Meh_Gerbil]

An admitted Satanist is less of a problem than one who doesn't realize he's a Satanist.

[john-philip]

Should we wish for his (or anyone's) destruction, instead? Should we wrestle with flesh and blood?

The OP is somewhat vague as to what the "well-wishing" entailed, but I'd venture to say that no one was wishing for him to continue in his satinism; and if that's the case, what's the problem?

[Mark_S]

there is a member here who is an admitted satanist. he is very clear that he believes in satan. as in, not the type of satanist who is an individualist or non-conformist, but the type who worships the enemy of jesus. the guy in a red suit. the lord of lies, etc.


From a Christian perspective, if you aren't following Jesus, then who are you following? He's just willing to admit it. As far as conversing with him, when you first meet somebody, where do you draw the line for evangalism, are only athiests and agnostics fair game? How about Wiccans?, Muslims?

[john-philip]

From a Christian perspective, if you aren't following Jesus, then who are you following? He's just willing to admit it. As far as conversing with him, when you first meet somebody, where do you draw the line for evangalism, are only athiests and agnostics fair game? How about Wiccans?, Muslims?
Maybe he believes OSAS - Once a satanist, always a satanist.

[Bill the Cat]

Please see my sig line, the last line specifically...

[anewlife]

FWIW -- WWFK [OP] is not a theist. I think this is directed towards my fellow Christians from an non-theist view.


Butters the popcorn and...:popcorn:

[Geifodd]

there is a member here who is an admitted satanist. he is very clear that he believes in satan. as in, not the type of satanist who is an individualist or non-conformist, but the type who worships the enemy of jesus. the guy in a red suit. the lord of lies, etc.

Allow me to elaborate on this a little more for you. ALL Satanists are individualist and non-conformist. However, modern Satanism is divided between two major branches: the symbolic/atheistic Satanist branch (where you will find Anton LaVey's Church of Satan) and the theistic Satanist branch (where you will find groups like the Temple of Set, the First Church of Satan, and the Church of Azazel). Atheistic Satanists are people who worship themselves as their own gods and who use Satan as a symbol representing their atheistic and humanistic philosophy. Theistic Satanists are people who believe in Satan as a god and worship Him. I myself am a theistic Satanist.

For more information about Theistic Satanism, check the link that you can find in my sig.

now, in my interactions with him both here and on other sites, he is mostly a gentleman, i'll give him that. mostly.

however, it seems that there are some avowed christians both here and on other sites, who seem to be falling all over themselves to wish him well and pat him on the back for being such a nice guy. they wish him luck in changing the perceptions people have about his religion.

now, i'm glad when people get along and all, but, AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS THIS IS CRAZY?!

Nope. You aren't.

a christian, wishing a SATANIST well? hoping he debunks the fallacies people believe about his religion.

the fallacies like what? his god HATES your god! they are enemies! he stands for everything you don't. he stands for the exact opposite of you.

The following fallacies are very serious matters that Satanists have had to deal with for a long time:

(1) The belief people have that all Satanists like to sacrifice animals,
(2) The belief people have that all Satanists like to abuse little children,
(3) The belief people have that all Satanists believe in murdering people,
(4) The belief people have that all Satanists are part of some international global conspiracy to take over the world,
(5) The belief people have that all Satanists are psychotic criminals who should be locked up.

I would consider these to be very serious allegations, none of which are based on any fact. My point in reaching out to people of other religions is not to get them to agree with Satanism or even to like or endorse it, but simply to combat these aforementioned beliefs that people have about Satanism. These beliefs are damaging and many innocent people have suffered because of them.

he is a nice guy, but how do you know it is real? just to play devil's advocate (wink), how do you know he is being genuine. after all, HE WORSHIPS THE LORD OF LIES!

I find it interesting that you, an atheist, would even concern yourself that a Satanist is trying to improve relations between Christianity and Satanism. As far as you're concerned, we're all a bunch of delusional mental patients and we should all be locked up. At least, you've expressed this sort of feeling many many times in other forums.

does this seem strange to anyone else? how can you be true to christianity and wish a satanist well? that is basically wishing good luck to the devil!

You might also ask, "How can one be true to Satanism and wish a Christian well?" The answer is, people are people, no matter who they say their prayers to. I may disagree with Christianity very strongly, but that does not mean that I am going to treat Christians like subhumans -- in other words, I refuse to do the same thing that you do to Christians in other forums. Just because I disagree with a person is no reason to not wish them well in life. I recognize that my viewpoint is rather unconventional, but I would hope that many of the Christians here can see the logic in what I am saying.

[Duder]

there is a member here who is an admitted satanist. he is very clear that he believes in satan. as in, not the type of satanist who is an individualist or non-conformist, but the type who worships the enemy of jesus. the guy in a red suit. the lord of lies, etc.

Allow me to elaborate on this a little more for you. ALL Satanists are individualist and non-conformist. However, modern Satanism is divided between two major branches: the symbolic/atheistic Satanist branch (where you will find Anton LaVey's Church of Satan) and the theistic Satanist branch (where you will find groups like the Temple of Set, the First Church of Satan, and the Church of Azazel). Atheistic Satanists are people who worship themselves as their own gods and who use Satan as a symbol representing their atheistic and humanistic philosophy. Theistic Satanists are people who believe in Satan as a god and worship Him. I myself am a theistic Satanist.

For more information about Theistic Satanism, check the link that you can find in my sig.

now, in my interactions with him both here and on other sites, he is mostly a gentleman, i'll give him that. mostly.

however, it seems that there are some avowed christians both here and on other sites, who seem to be falling all over themselves to wish him well and pat him on the back for being such a nice guy. they wish him luck in changing the perceptions people have about his religion.

now, i'm glad when people get along and all, but, AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS THIS IS CRAZY?!

Nope. You aren't.

a christian, wishing a SATANIST well? hoping he debunks the fallacies people believe about his religion.

the fallacies like what? his god HATES your god! they are enemies! he stands for everything you don't. he stands for the exact opposite of you.

The following fallacies are very serious matters that Satanists have had to deal with for a long time:

(1) The belief people have that all Satanists like to sacrifice animals,
(2) The belief people have that all Satanists like to abuse little children,
(3) The belief people have that all Satanists believe in murdering people,
(4) The belief people have that all Satanists are part of some international global conspiracy to take over the world,
(5) The belief people have that all Satanists are psychotic criminals who should be locked up.

I would consider these to be very serious allegations, none of which are based on any fact. My point in reaching out to people of other religions is not to get them to agree with Satanism or even to like or endorse it, but simply to combat these aforementioned beliefs that people have about Satanism. These beliefs are damaging and many innocent people have suffered because of them.

he is a nice guy, but how do you know it is real? just to play devil's advocate (wink), how do you know he is being genuine. after all, HE WORSHIPS THE LORD OF LIES!

I find it interesting that you, an atheist, would even concern yourself that a Satanist is trying to improve relations between Christianity and Satanism. As far as you're concerned, we're all a bunch of delusional mental patients and we should all be locked up. At least, you've expressed this sort of feeling many many times in other forums.

does this seem strange to anyone else? how can you be true to christianity and wish a satanist well? that is basically wishing good luck to the devil!

You might also ask, "How can one be true to Satanism and wish a Christian well?" The answer is, people are people, no matter who they say their prayers to. I may disagree with Christianity very strongly, but that does not mean that I am going to treat Christians like subhumans -- in other words, I refuse to do the same thing that you do to Christians in other forums. Just because I disagree with a person is no reason to not wish them well in life. I recognize that my viewpoint is rather unconventional, but I would hope that many of the Christians here can see the logic in what I am saying.


Greetings, Giefodd -

I have known Satanists of the atheistic variety before. They struck me as robust intellectuals for whom Satan is a kind of archetype representing self-determination and self-reliance. They're a very interesting breed of laissez-faire existentialists.

I had assumed, erroneously it seems, that the other kind of Satanist was a dark and rebellious person who goes in for the shock value of diabolical imagery. I never thought there were serious and sincere Satanic theists.

May I ask a few questions about the beliefs of a theistic Satanist?

Is Satan the creator of humanity?
Is Satan evil, and if so, is it 'good' to be evil?
Is Satan good, and if so, does he have an evil adversary?
How did it happen that God and not Satan has enjoyed the more successful PR campaign over the centuries?
You mentioned how Satanists and Christians might come to have better relations. Can God and Satan get together and work out their differences in the same way?

Thanks,

Duder

[Cheetah]

Okay, firstly is this a topic that should be in Christianity?
Secondly, this reminds me of a Proverb: "If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; if he is thirsty, give him water to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head, and the LORD will reward you."
He will be thrown into the lake of burning sulphur in due time, the best I can do now is to try and stop that from happening, not by being proud or refusing to speak to such people, but by trying to correct them and teach them the Truth, and if they refuse to believe then there is no more I can do, but it is better than doing nothing.

[Duder]

Okay, firstly is this a topic that should be in Christianity?


Strictly speaking, maybe not. But it might interest Christians to know what a Satanist thinks about things.

[Cheetah]

Strictly speaking, maybe not. But it might interest Christians to know what a Satanist thinks about things.
Prehaps, but it is encouraging non-Christians to post in a Christian-only part of the board.

[furay]

Strictly speaking, maybe not. But it might interest Christians to know what a Satanist thinks about things.
:yes: It is fairly interesting, but how hard is it for the Christians on this board to poke their heads into Comparative Religions every once in awhile? This thread def. does not belong in this section.

[Geifodd]

Cheetah has made a good point. Duder, I will address your questions in a new thread in the Comparative Religions section. When I have finished making the post, I will post a link to the thread here. This is so that the moderators do not have to worry about fixing up anything.

The only reason I posted in this thread is because whoweepsforkirk made the original post against me here. I agree that he probably did not choose the best forum to place it in.

[Dave G]

I also think the scripture that the OP is referring to is 2 Corinthians 6:15- What harmony is there between Christ and Belial[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=54&chapter=6&verse=15&version=31&context=verse#fen-NIV-28898a)]? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? (NIV)

The NIV isn't the translation I have memorized, however. I remember it saying, what fellowship does Christ have with Belial. The opening poster believes that this is a fellowship situation.

[Geifodd]

Duder, I have addressed your questions in the following thread:

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=60134

[Sheepdog]

i'm moving this to General Theistics. Christianity 201 is for Christian interaction only. (We allow exceptions, but by permission only)