For Those Who Believe In Substitution

[seer]

And eternal hell. I do believe in substitution, but this question was brought up on another thread. If Christ was really our substitute and our just punishment is eternal hell - how come Christ is not spending eternity in Hell?

[Nang]

And eternal hell. I do believe in substitution, but this question was brought up on another thread. If Christ was really our substitute and our just punishment is eternal hell - how come Christ is not spending eternity in Hell?

Jesus Christ already suffered the complete wrath of God and FULL judgment for sins; suffering such that equalled in measure to be the equivalent of eternal punishment for each soul He represented in His body, when He took paid the sentence for their sins on the cross.

(I truly grieve over the lack of understanding and appreciation of those who call themselves Christians, of what the Savior went through and accomplished for His elect. He paid a price, terrible!)

Nang

[seer]

Jesus Christ already suffered the complete wrath of God and FULL judgment for sins; suffering such that equalled in measure to be the equivalent of eternal punishment for each soul He represented in His body, when He took paid the sentence for their sins on the cross.

(I truly grieve over the lack of understanding and appreciation of those who call themselves Christians, of what the Savior went through and accomplished for His elect. He paid a price, terrible!)

Nang

The equivalent of eternal punishment ? I'am sorry Nang, there can not be no equivalent to eternal punishment.

[Thomas2003]

The equivalent of eternal punishment ? I'am sorry Nang, there can not be no equivalent to eternal punishment.

Seer, it is the eternal Son of God that suffered death for us. It is Christ's identity as the eternal Son of God that really separates Calvinism from Arminianism. That He is two natures, yet one person, who fully suffered as one person in both natures. And this is the whole problem, Arminianism approaches Christ under the presupposition of dividing the incarnation - which is the very source of this question.

Calvin has a good explanation of the term "And he descended into hell" in the Apostles creed. If you go to Reformed.org and search for Apostles creed they have a link to Calvin's comments on that article.

It regards the suffering He underwent in His eternal soul as against His temporal body of a complete judgment of the one person, the eternal Son of God - but because there was no sin in Him it could not hold Him as Acts 2:24 -27 explains, or as David said: "thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thing Holy One to see corruption", that is the decay of the flesh.

He satisified all of God's wrath as the eternal Son of God, and it is His eternal life from which we understand these things, not "eternity" as in the concept of endless created time, but identity of the propiation - the Lamb of God, as John the Baptist called Him.

[Ormly]

Seer, it is the eternal Son of God that suffered death for us. It is Christ's identity as the eternal Son of God that really separates Calvinism from Arminianism. That He is two natures, yet one person, who fully suffered as one person in both natures. And this is the whole problem, Arminianism approaches Christ under the presupposition of dividing the incarnation - which is the very source of this question.

Calvin has a good explanation of the term "And he descended into hell" in the Apostles creed. If you go to Reformed.org and search for Apostles creed they have a link to Calvin's comments on that article.

It regards the suffering He underwent in His eternal soul as against His temporal body of a complete judgment of the one person, the eternal Son of God - but because there was no sin in Him it could not hold Him as Acts 2:24 -27 explains, or as David said: "thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thing Holy One to see corruption", that is the decay of the flesh.

He satisified all of God's wrath as the eternal Son of God, and it is His eternal life from which we understand these things, not "eternity" as in the concept of endless created time, but identity of the propiation - the Lamb of God, as John the Baptist called Him.

Wrong! He suffered as man, not as God. God can't die.

[Nang]

Wrong! He suffered as man, not as God. God can't die.


If Jesus Christ suffered only as a Man, then He was nothing better than a mere human sacrifice, which practice by the heathens was abominable to God.

It is the fact that God became flesh that made Christ's suffering and death acceptable and efficacious.

God suffered the death of death, which is eternal in scope.

Read John Owen's book on the subject some time. "The Death Of Death In The Death Of Christ" His work is quite edifying.

Nang