Here Comes Rita...

[seer]

And some you actually still believe that this is all haphazard...

These see the works of the LORD, and his wonders in the deep.For he commandeth, and raiseth the stormy wind, which lifteth up the waves thereof.

Whatsoever the LORD pleased, that did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places.He causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings for the rain; he bringeth the wind out of his treasuries.


He sendeth forth his commandment upon earth: his word runneth very swiftly. He giveth snow like wool: he scattereth the hoarfrost like ashes. He casteth forth his ice like morsels: who can stand before his cold?He sendeth out his word, and melteth them: he causeth his wind to blow, and the waters flow.


Praise the LORD from the earth, ye dragons, and all deeps:Fire, and hail; snow, and vapour; stormy wind fulfilling his word.


For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven; To make the weight for the winds; and he weigheth the waters by measure. When he made a decree for the rain, and a way for the lightning of the thunder.


God thundereth marvellously with his voice; great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend. For he saith to the snow, Be thou on the earth; likewise to the small rain, and to the great rain of his strength. Out of the south cometh the whirlwind: and cold out of the north. By the breath of God frost is given: and the breadth of the waters is straitened. Also by watering he wearieth the thick cloud: he scattereth his bright cloud:And it is turned round about by his counsels: that they may do whatsoever he commandeth them upon the face of the world in the earth. He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy. And now men see not the bright light which is in the clouds: but the wind passeth, and cleanseth them. Fair weather cometh out of the north: with God is terrible majesty.


Therefore thus will I do unto thee, O Israel: and because I will do this unto thee, prepare to meet thy God, O Israel. For, lo, he that formeth the mountains, and createth the wind, and declareth unto man what is his thought, that maketh the morning darkness, and treadeth upon the high places of the earth, The LORD, The God of hosts, is his name.

[technomage]

And some you actually still believe that this is all haphazard...

Must be. Key West has one of the largest Gay communities in the US. Damage there was even less than expected. Rita's aim is as bad as Katrina's.

So we must conclude that either the hurricanes result from a natural process ... or God doesn't hate gays.

[Scruffy]

When will rita hit land? Anyone heard an ETA?

[FlimFlamboyant]

Therefore thus will I do unto thee, O Israel: and because I will do this unto thee, prepare to meet thy God, O Israel.
Did Israel move to the Gulf coast? Did I miss something? Seriously, though, God isn't dealing with man on the basis of a law contract today. There's no threat of physical punishment for sin. If that were the case, I don't imagine we'd be here today talking about it.

[technomage]

When will rita hit land? Anyone heard an ETA?

Current projections are sometime Friday evening. Here's the map (http://www.weather.com/maps/news/atlstorm18/projectedpath_large.html?from=wxcenter_maps).

[seer]

Must be. Key West has one of the largest Gay communities in the US. Damage there was even less than expected. Rita's aim is as bad as Katrina's.

So we must conclude that either the hurricanes result from a natural process ... or God doesn't hate gays.

Did you ever hear of HIV? And I'am not speaking of particular judgement. But national - these storms effect us all...

[seer]

Did Israel move to the Gulf coast? Did I miss something? Seriously, though, God isn't dealing with man on the basis of a law contract today. There's no threat of physical punishment for sin. If that were the case, I don't imagine we'd be here today talking about it.

Have you read the Book of Revelation lately?

[technomage]

Did you ever hear of HIV?

Then again--considering the number of innocent hemophiliacs that contracted AIDS--your God has a lousy aim.

And I'am not speaking of particular judgement. But national - these storms effect us all...

As a side point: the word is "affect," not "effect." I'm not fussing .... it's just a pet peeve of mine.

However, as far as national judgement, that directly contravenes the Parable of the Wheat and Tares. Unless you are somehow advocating that Judgement Day will strike when Rita does, then according to your scripture, God's gonna let the wheat and the tares grow together until the Harvest.

Funny how you've never responded to that passage.

[FlimFlamboyant]

Have you read the Book of Revelation lately?
What? Did I miss the 70th week of Daniel, too?? Man, I must've been living in a cave.

[Raptor]

Seer, here is a link to a post of mine with weather related infomation on hurricanes and the history of them.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1204454&postcount=12

The 1930's are the record for most hurricanes in a decade. The record for number of hurricanes hitting the US in one year is 6, set in 1916 and 1985.

[seer]

Then again--considering the number of innocent hemophiliacs that contracted AIDS--your God has a lousy aim.

No He doesn't. No man is an Island. God created us in community so that we are often forced to share in each other's sin and suffering. As well as joys...

As a side point: the word is "affect," not "effect." I'm not fussing .... it's just a pet peeve of mine.

You are correct...

However, as far as national judgement, that directly contravenes the Parable of the Wheat and Tares. Unless you are somehow advocating that Judgement Day will strike when Rita does, then according to your scripture, God's gonna let the wheat and the tares grow together until the Harvest.

You don't build doctrine on one text Cup. Besides these storms are pulling up the wheat with the tares anyways - I don't know about you but I would rather have God in charge...

[seer]

What? Did I miss the 70th week of Daniel, too?? Man, I must've been living in a cave.

Well?


"The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up."

"Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm."

"From the sky huge hailstones of about a hundred pounds each fell upon men. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible."

"After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree."

"These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire."

[technomage]

You don't build doctrine on one text Cup.

You also don't build a doctrine based on a specific group and try to apply it to the whole world--yet that's precisely what you're trying to do.

Besides these storms are pulling up the wheat with the tares anyways - I don't know about you but I would rather have God in charge...

I'm just glad it's not your concept of God. Scattershot judgements and lousy aim are bad enough, but when the innocent suffer with the guilty, that's going too far.

Oh, but I forgot--you don't see anyone as "innocent." :ahem:

[studyhound]

Well?


"The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up."

"Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm."

"From the sky huge hailstones of about a hundred pounds each fell upon men. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible."

"After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree."

"These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire."

Congrats on the worst proof texting I have seen in quite some time.
:lol:

[Ormly]

Anyone who knows the scriptures and can discern the times knows this nation has been forgetting God and has been straying further and further from Him for years, and that is not going back into the bottle. As a consequence, God has been lifting His hand of protection from us. Katrina and Rita are the latest but still just a tip of the iceberg. They have been on their way here for the last 50-75 years. Wait til you see whats coming.

[seer]

Congrats on the worst proof texting I have seen in quite some time.
:lol:

How so?

[seer]

You also don't build a doctrine based on a specific group and try to apply it to the whole world--yet that's precisely what you're trying to do.

Based on which specific group? Many of those texts were from Job and are universal. And the ones from Pslams are no less so.

I'm just glad it's not your concept of God. Scattershot judgements and lousy aim are bad enough, but when the innocent suffer with the guilty, that's going too far.

God's judgements are not scattershot. If you read the Old Testament and even the teachings of Christ you will find that God does in fact visit the sins of the father on the son. But be honest Cup - this is really about the idea of God judging anyone. You can not abide that thought...

[smaller]

IF we were "good enough" then God would stop the "bad weather?"

That would be a novel spiel by the T.V. meteorologists!

But we do see a certain amount of MORE LOVE being extracted by getting our heads whacked by the weather, terrorism etc etc.

I do think God is trying to tell us ALL something. IF CHRISTIANS don't think much of their unsaved fellow man, perhaps God doesn't either and WE GET WHAT WE SOW, at least until the storm hits OUR DOORS.

[studyhound]

How so?
Your trying to take Jewish apocolypitc literature with its symbolism and limited reach, and apply it to your pet theory.

[studyhound]

God's judgements are not scattershot. If you read the Old Testament and even the teachings of Christ you will find that God does in fact visit the sins of the father on the son. But be honest Cup - this is really about the idea of God judging anyone. You can not abide that thought...

Thats quite wrong...
The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

[seer]

Your trying to take Jewish apocolypitc literature with its symbolism and limited reach, and apply it to your pet theory.

It's not a pet theory. I quoted both Old And New Testaments.

[seer]

Thats quite wrong...
The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Should I quote texts that say just the opposite?

[studyhound]

It's not a pet theory.

Yes it is a pet theory, or do you not see all the christians disagreeing with you?

I quoted both Old And New Testaments.

I know you quoted Revelation, it is a NT Jewish style Apocalypse.

perhaps if you spent bit of time studying the literature used in the bible, you could understand what is being said.

[National Intelligence Director Phoenix]

*Pictures Seer going through the NY Times with a highlighter and then going through the book of Revelation looking for similarities. Then pictures that before too long, Seer will write a book on prophecy using this brilliant technique. See's Seer's book "Hurricanes and the Last Days" in bookstores everywhere selling right along side Left Behind.

Finally, sees his book sitting on the back shelves of stores everywhere as within 10 years it has become obsolete, the same as everyone else who tries this crazy technique.

[studyhound]

Should I quote texts that say just the opposite?

I have no doubt that you could just throw some verses up (minus context) and say ah ha, but you seem hell bent on being judgmental and bigoted, rather than being caring and forgiving.

You use things like this hurricane and aids to condem hole groups of people. People we are called have compassion on is what if a homosexual has aids, our resonce should be one of givong comfort and showing love. Not saying "ah ha you are under the judment of GOD pervert!!". Yet when I look at Christ he was the total reverse of you, you rather are like the Pharisees, using the sriptures to bludgen people in to submission.

Jesus made it clear that sometimes events happen and it is not the Judgement of God. (Luke 13.4)

[National Intelligence Director Phoenix]

I have no doubt that you could just throw some verses up (minus context) and say ah ha, but you seem hell bent on being judgmental and bigoted, rather than being caring and forgiving.

You use things like this hurricane and aids to condem hole groups of people. People we are called have compassion on is what if a homosexual has aids, our resonce should be one of givong comfort and showing love. Not saying "ah ha you are under the judment of GOD pervert!!". Yet when I look at Christ he was the total reverse of you, you rather are like the Pharisees, using the sriptures to bludgen people in to submission.

Jesus made it clear that sometimes events happen and it is not the Judgement of God. (Luke 13.4)

I actually think sometimes that consequences are built into the laws of nature. Leave tools out in the rain overnight and it takes more work to get more out of them. Build a building lazily and if it collapses, people could die for the sin of laziness. (No sin is private)

I think this is quite true with STDs today. Imagine what would happen if we all just lived at least sexually as the Bible tells us to live. We could drop AIDS research within a generation and all that we have spent paying for the sins of people could be used for other causes, such as the poor.

Still, there is direct judgment sometimes no doubt. We just can't always say when that is.