Teenage nudism: okey dokey or held-bound?

[Minnesota]

from: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030630-460225,00.html

Nude Family Values
Looking for a healthy escape, more parents join nudist camps. But are they any place for kids?

[Patroclus]

Hmmm, this looks familiar.:huh:

[$cirisme]

No

[Bob Jenkins]

It is not difficult at all to divorce sex from nudity. There comes a time when you don't even realize that you are nude.

I see no impediment to children nude in a family or supervised setting

[BeHereNow]

Nudity is obviously not inherently "evil" or "bad" in any way. It's like they say, if nudity were bad, we'd be born with clothes.

We had visitors from France stay with us a few years ago, and when it was time for shower or changing clothes, they'd instantly strip down no matter who was in the room. Why? They aren't raised to be ashamed of their bodies like we are.

A child raised around nudity will probably not grow up to be a rapist, porn addict, or anything otherwise sexually unhealthy.

[mossrose]

Teenage nudism: okey dokey or held-bound?

If they are with other nude teens, then, held-bound is indeed likely.

I'm sorry. I couldn't help it. :rofl:

[Jayne]

I found that article hilarious when I first read it. The biggest statistical group of nudist are conservatives. I would never have guessed.

I see no problem with nudity in that setting. People don't even notice others are nude after a while.

500 years ago there would have been an outcry if a woman had showed her knee in public. Now we don't even register it because it's just the norm. Same thing.

[Ryokan]

being a nudist must be difficult for people with delicate skin like me.

[themuzicman]

07-23-2003 @ 09:13 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=156660#post156660)
BeHereNow:

Nudity is obviously not inherently "evil" or "bad" in any way. It's like they say, if nudity were bad, we'd be born with clothes.

We had visitors from France stay with us a few years ago, and when it was time for shower or changing clothes, they'd instantly strip down no matter who was in the room. Why? They aren't raised to be ashamed of their bodies like we are.

A child raised around nudity will probably not grow up to be a rapist, porn addict, or anything otherwise sexually unhealthy.

What was Adam and Eve's first realization after they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Do you remember why they hid?

Michael

[Reasonable]

Today @ 03:22 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=161953#post161953)
themuzicman:



What was Adam and Eve's first realization after they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Do you remember why they hid?

Michael

Thank you, Michael. And we will recall that God did not say, 'Oh, it's okay to be naked.' HE is the one who made them clothes! In fact, it says he made a "long" garment for them.

[Karl_Franz]

No problem with nudity, I've visited places in the Pacific and the outback where it's quite normal, and they don't seem to be adversly effected.

[BeHereNow]

themuzicman:

What was Adam and Eve's first realization after they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Do you remember why they hid?

Michael

I think they went to hang out with He-man, not sure though... probably not naked.

[scottatiwu]

07-29-2003 @ 03:22 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=161953#post161953)
themuzicman:



What was Adam and Eve's first realization after they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Do you remember why they hid?

Michael

though I understand your point, I don't think this really means nudity is wrong (though I think nudist colonies are silly). our clothes are more a representation of our shame as sinful beings, beyond that I don't know if they really serve a purpose other than to protect you or keep you warm.

[fomebeesch]

I think that was a way for us to see their shame...not just in their nudity, but in their nudity before the Lord. Meaning that they could not hide the fact that they sinned. I think that nudity is a very interesting thing in our culture that has made it inherently sexual. If you're rased in it, I guess it ain't no thing. But I'm sure not going to put myself in that situation. And I really don't think I'll put my kid their either.

[themuzicman]

10-13-2003 @ 04:50 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=243233#post243233)
scottatiwu:



though I understand your point, I don't think this really means nudity is wrong (though I think nudist colonies are silly). our clothes are more a representation of our shame as sinful beings, beyond that I don't know if they really serve a purpose other than to protect you or keep you warm.

Why were fig leaves Adam's solution, then?

The knowledge of good and evil made Adam realize that he was naked, and that it was evil. If it was good, then he wouldn't have been ashamed.

Michael

[scottatiwu]

but how could it be evil if God created them that way? I still think it was a matter of shame, the fig leaves were a form of hiding (metaphorically).

[Stephen]

I'd say nudity isn't an inherently wrong thing, but...

As for being an american teenager, it'd take a LOOOOOONG time at one of those colonies for me to start not noticing. Just where I was raised, and my sinful teenage-boy nature.

Maybe some guys can handle it. I couldn't.

[themuzicman]

Where there is no law, there is no sin.

If Adam and Eve didn't know being naked in public was wrong, then it wouldn't be sin.

Michael

[scottatiwu]

Today @ 12:37 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=252759#post252759)
themuzicman:

Where there is no law, there is no sin.

If Adam and Eve didn't know being naked in public was wrong, then it wouldn't be sin.

Michael

God hadn't given any other law at that point other than don't eat the fruit. It never explicitly says they believed it was sinful to be naked.

[EthiopianMonk]

I think it puts children in a vulnerable position. some perverts, knowing that there are naked teens around will become nudists. it is also not hard to find pictures of naked children at nudist camps on the net. while it might not hurt the child psycologically it does put them in a vulnerable position.

[geebob]

A child raised around nudity will probably not grow up to be a rapist, porn addict, or anything otherwise sexually unhealthy.

Why? because nudity won't be as exciting? THAT WOULD SUCK!

For the full enjoyment of the naked body, I say cover it up. Wait for christmas to open your gifts. It's better that way... as folks from france show... by negative example!

[geebob]

More on that, there's more to preventing perversions then decreasing sexual desire. That's just curing the desease by killing the patient. But to be driven nuts by a naked chick, if that's perversion, then a pervert I would rather be!



I just read the article. It's as bad as I thought.



It's common for nudists to claim, without evidence, that nudist teens are less sexually active than nonnudist kids.

Time, June 30 2003, pg 55

So we conservatives should all nod our heads and affirm how wonderful this nudism has effected these teens? right?

No Way! The only appropriate response from a fella seeing his first nude girl (and if he really values her (and himself), his only nude girl, demonstrating his seriousness in that value by making a promise before her, the public, the government, and God) and many times after is to have his heart palpatating in his throat as he starts to hyperventilate...and a few other things. For a guy to be used to being around lots of naked chicks with no response... what a load of crap.

These nudists may have found something that helps reduce a tragedy, but there are better ways of going about it, like teaching children from a very young age and as they grow what sex and marriage are for and are about and so that they will grow to value these things.

This is one area where the hedonists are right (the consistent ones that is who wish to maximize pleasure).

The article mentioned that the girls in these camps were less self conscious about there bodies. This is a nice effect, but instead of wearing libido down, why don't we eliminate the problem from the other end, getting rid of the britney spears influence and the advertizing companies that sell products with sex, and so on.

But a little self consciousness and struggle is not a bad thing, if it's followed by healthy habits instead of destructive ones. We can't all look like britney spears or arnold schwarzeneggar, but that doesn't mean that looking better isn't a decent aim of improving ourselves. when we are consumed by it, that's bad, but God didn't give us bodily beauty because it's not worth anything. we should take care of the gifts we have whether they are great or small.