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SaintMorpheus
June 27th 2003, 10:36 PM
The following is the only really substantial conceptual progress I made while an atheist. Let this be a gift to all my atheist brothers and sisters out there who are, honest-to-whoever, fighting for the truth, I mean REALLY fighting for it. I've been where you are. I've lost tons of sleep over existential angst. The following concepts kept me sane until God came to me (which was a long time):

A Vision of Forest Angels Singing Softly


The first thing one notices, besides the lingering incense twinkling of cedar, is the captivating presence of blue. Deep blue light glows from the ascendant stained-glass windows, softly casting radiant shafts of cobalt onto the bare stone floor of the cathedral. But softer than the ambient blue luminosity, yet vibrant and piercing, is the crystal sound of sacred polyphony rising from a somber gathering of angels. Resolutely amplifying, the sublime event of perfect music threatens to shatter the upper glass; or rather, to transcend it altogether. And what hymns they sing, each note distinctly resonant, each phrase carefully spilling forth sonic poetry in brilliantly unpredictable four-part harmony!

I once asked an old priest what they sing and to whom. His reply amazed me: “My son, the answer to your question is itself a question.” Not knowing what to make of this, I continued my investigation: “Father, what do you mean?” To which he countered triumphantly, “Exactly!” I hesitated for a moment, expecting some illuminating commentary; but when he promptly gathered his robes and departed, I was left to ponder this mystery alone.

I later discovered that their hymns are empty of semantic content, but filled with intricate patterns of syllables chosen for their phonetic beauty; this was done in order that the imagination might be liberated from the tradition that fades. And to whom the angels sing remains utterly mysterious, especially to them. Having realized this, I saw that they are bravely driven by questions known to be without answers; nor would they desire anything more than transient speculations, and still less a final solution. For to them humility is a supreme virtue, and what constitutes worship is the creation of worlds in the void paved by unceasing inquiry.

I thought to myself: “How strange these people are! Yet how happy they seem to be; for indeed their eyes burn with delight in the midst of facing invincible questions. Even their cheeks are radiant as they soar on the wings of imagination, shedding vivifying light on the dark paralysis of exponential rationality!”

Ric
June 27th 2003, 10:46 PM
And I thought Atheism was already a religion! :shrug:

SaintMorpheus
June 27th 2003, 10:58 PM
I mean this is a religion really FOR atheists, something they can practice in good conscience without being nagged by conventional religionists. People are always picking on atheists for making themselves God or something like that. They don't need that kind of judgmental talk; besides, it doesn't make sense to them anyway. The forest angels' religion is more productive than dwelling in self-pity or being angry with theists.
The point is not to pick on atheists, Ric, and nag them about how they are deep down really religious and worshipful. The point is to give them conceptual tools to creatively utilize that deep-down religiosity, curiosity, creativity in order to keep them from becoming too jaded and fed up with the search for truth.
It's a gift, not another attempt to bug the atheists.
So, while I *might* agree that atheism could be considered a religion, I don't consider that the most relevant idea.
Thanks for responding, though!

Ric
June 27th 2003, 11:07 PM
:wink:

Piebald
June 27th 2003, 11:35 PM
I don't think Atheism is a religion in and of itself (anymore than Theism is), but I think it could be part of a person's religion.

SaintMorpheus
June 28th 2003, 12:52 AM
... do you think the religion described above could be a productive mental tool for atheists? I agree that atheism can be a part of a person's religion, but can this religion be a part of someone's atheism? The answer is yes in a certain sense, because it came out of my own personal experience, but I'm just curious as to it's universalizeability, if that's a word. It probably isn't. A word, I mean.

Barron
June 28th 2003, 07:59 PM
Yesterday @ 07:36 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=134741#post134741)
SaintMorpheus:

The following is the only really substantial conceptual progress I made while an atheist. Let this be a gift to all my atheist brothers and sisters out there who are, honest-to-whoever, fighting for the truth, I mean REALLY fighting for it. I've been where you are. I've lost tons of sleep over existential angst. The following concepts kept me sane until God came to me (which was a long


I get the occasional bout of existential angst, but it rarely, if ever keeps me up at night. I just figured it was part of being human and contemplating existence.

What you describe sounds a lot like the mystical practices of various sects in history. And I'll come clean with a real weakness for mysticism. I prefer it to the more doctrinal faith practices because it seems much more humble me. Instead of assuming that God is explained in words and doctrines it sees God as a process, a mystery that unfolds as the seeker contemplates both themselves and the world around them. Also since there is no certain knowledge of God (since God is beyond any shallow human understanding) the danger of idolatry is greatly diminished.

I always thought that if I "got religion" it would be of the mystical variety.

Barron

SaintMorpheus
June 29th 2003, 12:38 AM
It's not primarily about mysticism per se, although perhaps it is by accident, and I just don't know much about mysticism. I see it more as an invitation to use your imagination and creativity to generate a universe for yourself in which you can exist. Furthermore, this kind of imaginative creativity is encouraged by contemplation of pure, unmanipulative beauty. That's why there is no semantic content to the hymns the angel sings. There's no one telling anyone what theology to believe. There are no propositions, no evidence, no nothing except beauty, which frees one to just "make stuff up." But what one "makes up" must be beautiful and sublime and imaginative and creative.
Maybe that's mysticism, I don't know. The mystical texts I've read are basically suggestions for how to interpret what happens when you sit and meditate. For example, maybe a mystical writer will say "And then your soul ascends to the heavens and you achieve oneness with Being." So when you sit and think and meditate, you get this vague veeling of vertical motion and kind of dissolving into the universe and you think "Oh, gee, I must be ascending into the heavens and achieving oneness with Being."
But the forest angel religion is more about removing any kind of expectations from your experience so that you can create meaning from it. I mean, REALLY create it, with your imagination. Plus, it's inherently reverent and pious imagination. You don't tell yourself "I'm creating meaning for myself because there is no inherent meaning in life because there's no god." That's existentialism. It's more like "I'm waiting for meaning to reveal itself. I'm waiting for God to show up. In the meantime, I'm sitting and listening."
Hope this wasn't too incoherent.