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Bill the Cat
July 1st 2003, 11:00 AM
An interesting bit from a LDS guy's site on Adam/God doctrine:

http://www.ldshistory.net/agtable.htm


Concept 1: Procreation the Only Process on Earth & Heaven


18 Jun 1865 JD 11:122
9 Apr 1852 JD 1:50
9 Apr 1852 Journal of Wilford Woodruff




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Concept 2: Adam Was Not Fashioned from the Clay


23 Oct 1853 JD 2:6
9 Oct 1859 JD 7:285-80
7 Feb 1877 Journal of L. John Nuttall
1889 The Contributor 10:265




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Concept 3: Adam Not Fashioned from the "dust" of This Earth


23 Oct 1853 JD 2 6
9 Oct 1854 Upub Discourse of B. Y.
25 Mar 1855 Journal of Samual W. Richards
20 Apr 1856 JD 3:319
7 Feb 1877 Journal of L. John Nuttall
23 Jun 1889 Journal of Abraham H. Cannon
1889 The Contributor 10:265




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Concept 4: Adam & Eve Were Born


20 Apr 1856 JD 3:319
1889 The Contributor 10:265
11 Jun 1892 Journal of Charles L. Walker
Nov-09 The Improvement Era vol 13
1910 Course of Study for Priests, p 37
20-Feb-12 Messages of the First Presidency
27-Dec-13 Deseret Evening News
Sep-25 Messages of the First Presidency
Sum 1967 BYU Lectures
1950 The First 2,000 Years




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Concept 5: Adam Came from Another Planet


1844 Anson Call Document
9 Apr 1852 JD 1:50
8 Aug 1852 JD 3:90
14 Nov 1852 JD 1:356
17 Sep 1854 Journal of Wilford Woodruff
9 Oct 1854 Unpub Discourse of B. Y.
25 Mar 1855 Journal of Samual W. Richards
6 May 1855 Journal of Wilford Woodruff
20 Apr 1856 JD 3:319
9 Oct 1859 JD 7:285-90
27 Jan 1860 Journal of Wilford Woodruff
12 Jun 1860 JD 8:243
7 Feb 1877 Journal of L. John Nuttall
1889 The Contributor 10:265
11 Jun 1892 Journal of Charles L. Walker
1940 Man, His Origin & Destiny
1954 Doctrines of Salvation 1:139-40




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Concept 6: Adam was Married Before the Fall (refered to as a Polygamist)


1844 Anson Call Document
9 Apr 1852 JD 1:50
20 Apr 1856 JD 3:319
18 Jun 1873 Deseret News
31 Aug 1873 JD 16:167
[Polygamist] [Polygamist]
9 Apr 1852 JD 1:50
9 Apr 1852 Journal of Wilford Woodruff
27 Jun 1863 JD 10:235
8 Jun 1873 Deseret News
31 Aug 1873 JD 16:167
8 Mar 1885 JD 26:115




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Concept 7: Adam Had an Immortal Body


1853 The Seer
6 May 1855 Journal of Wilford Woodruff
13 Apr 1856 JD 3:344
22 Nov 1873 JD 16:324
3 Oct 1881 Discourses of Orson Pratt
11 Jun 1892 Journal of Charles L. Walker




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Concept 8: Adam Had a Celestial Body


9 Apr 1852 JD 1:50
9 Apr 1852 Journal of Wilford Woodruff




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Concept 9: Adam had a Resurrected Body


25 Mar 1855 Journal of Samual W. Richards
13 Apr 1856 JD 3:344
27 Jan 1860 Journal of Wilford Woodruff, p2
7 Feb 1877 Journal of L. John Nuttall
Apr 1887 The Contributor 8:218
2 Jun 1888 Deseret News 38:19-27
23 Jun 1889 Journal of Abraham H. Cannon
1892 The Elders Journal 6:33
24-Jun-21 Seminary Lectures at BYU




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Concept 10: Adam Received His Exaltation Before This Earth Life


9 Oct 1854 Unpub Discourse of B. Y.
18 Jun 1873 Deseret News
7 Feb 1877 Journal of L. John Nuttall




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Concept 11: Adam Is Our Father in Heaven


7 Jun 1844 The Nauvoo Expositor
9 Apr 1852 JD 1:50
19 Feb 1854 Journal of Wilford Woodruff
Jun 1854 Millennial Star
6 Oct 1854 Diary of Joseph Lee Robinson
9 Oct 1854 Unpub Discourse of B. Y.
1855 Millennial Star 17:785-6
29 Jun 1856 JD 4:2
1856 Sacred Songs & Hymns/LDS
8 Feb 1857 JD 4:217-9
4 Sep 1860 Journal of Wilford Woodruff
12 Oct 1865 Poem in Deseret News
16 Dec 1867 Journal of Wilford Woodruff
8 Jun 1868 Millennial Star
11 Dec 1869 Journal History
1870 Dean Belnap IP Book, p23
25 Jan 1871 Jan Christian Anderson W Daybooks
31 Aug 1873 Journal of Wilford Woodruff
1877 Women of Mormondom
1877 Poem by Eliza R. Snow Smith Young




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Concept 12: Children of Adam & Eve Descended from God the Father


8 Jan 1865 JD 11:41
17 Apr 1870 JD 13:311
7 May 1871 JD 14:111
9 Aug 1873 JD 16:127
4 May 1884 JD 25:155
7 Apr 1889 Millennial Star 51:278
1910 Priests Course of Study, p 35




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Concept 13: Adam's Position & His Authority


5 Oct 1840 History of the Church 4:207-8




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Concept 14: Adam Is Michael The Archangel


2 Jul 1839 TPJS - Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith pp 157-9
5 Oct 1840 History of the Church 4:207-8
9 Apr 1852 JD 1:50
19 Feb 1854 Journal of Wilford Woodruff




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Concept 15: The Meaning of "Michael the Archangel"


3 Oct 1841 History of the Church 4:425 (angels)
8 Oct 1843 History of the Church 6:51 (angels)
1840 TPJS - Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p 167




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Concept 16: This Earth Created by Eloheim, Jehovah, Michael


9 Apr 1852 JD 1:51
TPJS - Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p 190




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Concept 17: This Earth Made from the Fragments of Other Planets


The Contributor 10:265
1882 Compendium of the Gospel, p 271
17 Aug 1877 The Salt Lake Daily Tribune
1960 Doctrines from the Prophets, p 137




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Concept 18: This Earth Was Larger in Size at the Creation


Journal of Samual H. Rogers, p 8
18 Oct 1880 Journal of Charles L. Walker, p 35, 38




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Concept 19: This Earth Was Organized Near the Throne of God


13 Jul 1862 Journal of Charles L. Walker
19 Jul 1874 JD 17:143




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Concept 20: Adam Helped to Organize This Earth


9 Apr 1852 JD 1:50
18 Jun 1873 Deseret News
31 Aug 1873 JD 16:167




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Concept 21: The Seeds & Animals Were Brought from Other Planets


9 Apr 1852 JD 1:50
20 Apr 1856 JD 3:319
12 Jun 1860 JD 8:243-4
27 Jun 1863 JD 10:235
1910 Priests Course of Study




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Concept 22: The Garden of Eden Was in Jackson County, Missouri


27 Jun 1863 JD 10:235




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Concept 23: The Earth Fell into Space into Its Present Orbit


13 Jul 1862 Journal of Charles L. Walker, p 19
19 Jul 1874 JD 17:143




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Concept 24: The Earth Will Return to Its Former Size


Feb 1841 Millennial Star 1:258 (p.p.pratt)
Journal of Charles L. Walker, p 35




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Concept 25: Adam Knew That He Should Fall


3 Jun 1855 JD 2:302




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Concept 26: Fluid in the Body Determines the Kind of Offspring


1919 Melvin J. Ballard Speeches
Mar 1853 The Seer, p 37




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Concept 27: Adam & Eve Became Mortal from the Fruits of the Ground


1844 Anson Call Document
9 Apr 1852 JD 1:50
9 Apr 1852 Journal of Wilford Woodruff
28 Aug 1852 JD 6:274-5
17 Sep 1854 Journal of Wilford Woodruff
25 Mar 1855 Journal of Samual W. Richards
6 May 1855 Journal of Wilford Woodruff
8 Feb 1857 JD 4:217-19
27 Jan 1860 Journal of Wilford Woodruff
7 Feb 1877 Journal of L. John Nuttall
1892 The Elders Journal
24-Jun-21 BYU Seminary Lectures
1940 Church History & Modern Revelation
14-Jan-61 Address at LDS Institute
1972 Handout/Skousen/BYU




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Concept 28: Adam Fell Gradually from God


26 Apr 1846 Manuscript History of Brigham Young p142




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Concept 29: Adam Was the First Man on the Earth


18 Jun 1873 Deseret News
29 Jun 1856 JD 4:2




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Concept 30: Adam's Father Visited Adam for Some Time After Fall


12 Jan 1862 JD 9:148




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Concept 31: The Importance of Adam-ondi-ahman


2 Jul 1839 TPJS - Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith pp 157-9
30 Mar 1873 Journal of Wilford Woodruff
18 May 1873 JD 16:48
25 Feb 1877 JD 18:342-3




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Concept 32: Meaning of the Word "Lord"


5 Oct 1840 History of the Church 4:207-8
9 Apr 1852 JD 1:50
28 Aug 1852 JD 6:274-5
6 Nov 1864 JD 10:355




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Concept 33: Adam Was Supposed to Return to the Tree of Life


1975 The Egyptian Endowment, p 181




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Concept 34: Adam Changed in the Twinkling of an Eye


25 Jan 1871 J. C. A. Weiby Daybooks
2 Jun 1888 Logan Temple Address, J. E. Taylor




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Concept 35: God Was the Father of Christ


24 Jul 1853 JD 1:238
Oct 1853 The Seer 1:158-9
8 Feb 1857 JD 4:217-9




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Concept 36: Adam Was the Father of Christ


9 Apr 1852 JD 1:51
9 Apr 1852 Journal of hosea stout
10 Apr 1852 Journal of Wilford Woodruff
19 Feb 1854 Journal of Wilford Woodruff
11 Mar 1857 Journal of heber c. kimball
7 Feb 1877 Journal of L. John Nuttall
23 Jun 1889 Journal of Abraham H. Cannon




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Concept 37: Mary Sealed to the Father for Eternity/Joseph for time


Oct 1853 The Seer 1:158-9
25 Jan 1871 J. C. A. Weiby daybooks
20-Dec-14 joseph f. smith/stake conference




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Concept 38: Our Future Destiny as Gods


28 Aug 1852 JD 6:275
8 Feb 1857 JD 4:217-9
19 Jul 1874 JD 17:143
8 Oct 1876 JD 18:258-9
2 Jun 1888 Deseret News Weekly 38:19-27




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Concept 39: Exalted Beings Have Spirit Offspring


6 Dec 1847 Journal of Wilford Woodruff
28 Aug 1852 JD 6:274-5
8 Oct 1876 JD 18:258-9
1966 Mormon Doctrine p 516-7
Art of Faith, Talmage, p. 473
30-Jun-16 Appendix 2, #11




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Concept 40: Gods Have Power to Create Physically & Spiritually


24 Aug 1872 JD 15:136-7
28 Aug 1852 JD 6:275
8 Feb 1857 JD 4:217-9
8 Nov 1857 JD 6:31
Oct 1861 Millennial Star 23:653
18 Jun 1873 Deseret News
19 Jul 1874 JD 17:143
1976 Spencer W. Kimball quoting Brigham Young




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Concept 41: The Meaning of "Adam & Eve"


6 Oct 1854 Diary of Joseph Lee Robinson
9 Oct 1854 Unpub Discourse of B. Y.
6 Nov 1864 JD 10:355
Apr 1885




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Concept 42: Being the Father of an Earth


14 Nov 1852 JD 1:356
2 Jun 1888 Deseret News Weekly 38:19-27
16 Feb 1847 Journal of Wilford Woodruff




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Concept 43: Sisters Can Become "Eves"


14 Oct 1860 JD 8:208
30 Jun 1867 JD 12:97
1869 Millennial Star 31:267




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Concept 44: Brethren Can Become "Adams"


8 Mar 1857 JD 4:271
12 Jun 1860 JD 8:243-4
8 Oct 1876 JD 18:258-9




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Concept 45: God Was Once as We Are Now


Apr 1844 TPJS - Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith pp 345-6
27 Oct 1853 Deseret News Weekly, p 78
8 Feb 1857 JD 4:217-9
16 Nov 1857 Deseret News, p 290
Jun-19 The Improvement Era
1919 Gospel Doctrine, p 64
1954 Doctrines of Salvation 2:47




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Concept 46: God Received His Endowments Long Ago


25 Jan 1857 JD 4:192
6 Apr 1878 JD 19:299
9 Jan 1881 JD 22:209
28 Sep 1881 Deseret News Weekly




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Concept 47: Father of Christ Was Also a Savior


16 Jun 1844 Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p 373
2 Jun 1888 Deseret News Weekly 38:19-27
1966 who am i? alvin r. dyer, p 250




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Concept 48: There Is a Father above the Father of Jesus Christ


16 Jun 1844 Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p 370-2




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Concept 49: Comments on Adam by Joseph Smith


1835 Lectures on Faith 2:12
1830–34 Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p38
19 May 1938. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p.122
2 Jul 1839 Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith pp 157-9
5 Oct 1840 Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith
16 May 1841 Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith
3 Oct 1841 Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith
17 May 1843 Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith
8 Oct 1843 Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith
Apr 1844 Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith
7 Jun 1844 Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith
16 Jun 1844 Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith
16 Dec 1867 ???
25 Feb 1877 ???
4 Sep 1860 ???

Exmo-Robertson
July 1st 2003, 02:42 PM
It's too bad that we don't get the quotes along with the references. Have you ever heard of the LDS teaching concerning "The Church of the Firstborn?"

Bill the Cat
July 1st 2003, 02:48 PM
Today @ 02:42 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=136854#post136854)
Exmo-Robertson:

It's too bad that we don't get the quotes along with the references. Have you ever heard of the LDS teaching concerning "The Church of the Firstborn?"

I actually have all the quotes, plus some more, but it's WAAAAY too long to post in one 24K window. If the mods don't object, I can post them, or i can just zip the file and send it to you personally.


and no, what is the "Church of the Firstborn?"

Pilgrim
July 1st 2003, 02:54 PM
wow, that was way long. Maybe you should chop it up into digestable bits?

Bill the Cat
July 1st 2003, 02:57 PM
Today @ 02:54 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=136865#post136865)
Pilgrim:

wow, that was way long. Maybe you should chop it up into digestable bits?

Sorry, Pilgrim, it was a bit huge!!

Sparko
December 6th 2008, 01:11 AM
bump

faithymom
December 6th 2008, 01:26 AM
That was a pretty big bump, Sparko!

Sparko
December 6th 2008, 01:28 AM
:hehe:

faithymom
December 6th 2008, 01:31 AM
If the zips of these quotes are still available, I'd like to read them.

Bill the Cat
December 6th 2008, 04:04 PM
I'll see if I can dig them up

Bill the Cat
December 6th 2008, 04:06 PM
Here's the list:
http://www.ldshistory.net/adam-god/ag.html
http://www.ldshistory.net/adam-god/ag2.html
http://www.ldshistory.net/adam-god/ag3.html
http://www.ldshistory.net/adam-god/ag4.html
http://www.ldshistory.net/adam-god/ag5.html

faithymom
December 6th 2008, 05:38 PM
Thanks!