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Ben Franklin
November 22nd 2005, 09:33 PM
Now that America has come full circle, entering into another era of colonialism with Bush's conquest of Iraq, I'd like to remind those of us still moral enough to acknowledge America's dark past of a prior shameful and racist conquest.



"White Man's'' Forgotten War

On the hot, humid night of Feb. 4, 1899, American sentries patrolling the Manila suburb of Santa Mesa opened fire on Filipino soldiers walking near a bridge over the San Juan River.

They were the first shots in one of the bloodiest conflicts in U.S. history -- and one of the least-known.

The Philippine-American War, from February 1899 to July 1902, claimed 250,000 lives -- some say as many as 1 million -- cut short the existence of the first republic in Asia and helped establish the United States as a 20th century power in the Pacific.

It started a bitter national debate over U.S. military involvement overseas, a precursor of the outcry over the Vietnam War more than half a century later.

The conflict popularized the concept of the ``white man's burden,'' an exhortation to Western domination. And it prompted one of America's greatest writers to speak out against those who advocated the expansion of U.S. influence.

This is just an introduction to the article; read the full story for all the details:

"White Man's" Forgotten War (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1999/01/31/SC16131.DTL)

MuggleOrSquib
November 23rd 2005, 02:15 PM
Thanks for posting this.
I was aware of the conflict, as I have a manuscript of a novel about it which I never finished reading.

Be Well,
Bob Griffin

Ryokan
November 23rd 2005, 02:45 PM
Now that America has come full circle, entering into another era of colonialism with Bush's conquest of Iraq, I'd like to remind those of us still moral enough to acknowledge America's dark past of a prior shameful and racist conquest.



"White Man's'' Forgotten War

On the hot, humid night of Feb. 4, 1899, American sentries patrolling the Manila suburb of Santa Mesa opened fire on Filipino soldiers walking near a bridge over the San Juan River.

They were the first shots in one of the bloodiest conflicts in U.S. history -- and one of the least-known.

The Philippine-American War, from February 1899 to July 1902, claimed 250,000 lives -- some say as many as 1 million -- cut short the existence of the first republic in Asia and helped establish the United States as a 20th century power in the Pacific.

It started a bitter national debate over U.S. military involvement overseas, a precursor of the outcry over the Vietnam War more than half a century later.

The conflict popularized the concept of the ``white man's burden,'' an exhortation to Western domination. And it prompted one of America's greatest writers to speak out against those who advocated the expansion of U.S. influence.

This is just an introduction to the article; read the full story for all the details:

"White Man's" Forgotten War (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1999/01/31/SC16131.DTL)
I fail to see what our ignominous guerrilla war against the Phillipino's has to do with Iraq.

Ben Franklin
November 23rd 2005, 07:05 PM
I fail to see what our ignominous guerrilla war against the Phillipino's has to do with Iraq.

??? Ryokan, did you read the article in it's entirety...? :huh: At the very least, it's comparable in scope and detail...

Thomas More
November 29th 2005, 11:04 AM
??? Ryokan, did you read the article in it's entirety...? :huh: At the very least, it's comparable in scope and detail...

No they are not comaparable at all, the US had no formal war with the Philipines nor did they guarantee support of the government of Saddaam Hussein against a naton at war. Your comparing apples to oranges, or more distant comparison apples to a pretzles. You cannot compare wars like this because they all have their own motivations, political, domestic, and military that are unique to that war and that point in time.

That said the Philipine war is probably the worst thing the US has ever done in it's history. It was born of greed, pride, and malice and not much else.

Ben Franklin
November 30th 2005, 01:44 AM
No they are not comaparable at all...

Hi, Thomas More. As I wrote, they are comparable in scope and detail. Now, I understand that you are exploring other aspects, such as diplomatic, etc., which may be different, and is eminently debatable. What is demonstrable, though, is that the U.S. was forced to commit more and more troops, and also the U.S. was forced into fighting insurgents (guerrillas) in both cases. This is what I mean by scope and detail. Both action, then and now, are being drawn over the whole of the country, and the Philippine Isle "border" was as much a sieve as is Iraq's now. Don't you agree in this respect...?

Dienekes
January 11th 2006, 11:44 PM
interresting good article I enjoyed reading more of America's mistakes I wonder if people in the future will laugh at us like we do the French, it serve us greedy immoral warmongerers right.