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Ana Dragule
04-24-2015, 12:09 PM
How much can what saints said be trusted?

One Bad Pig
04-24-2015, 12:36 PM
:huh: Not sure who you're asking.

Bill the Cat
04-24-2015, 12:38 PM
How much can what saints said be trusted?

When they speak and it does not directly contradict the Word...

Leonhard
04-24-2015, 04:32 PM
How much can what saints said be trusted?

When its in line with the tradition of the Church, and has not met with disapproval from the magisterium, and then only in the sense that its permissible to believe what they say... unless they happen to say something the Church has defined as doctrine (such as the Ressurection), in which case what they're saying must be trusted, but not because they're saints.

mossrose
04-24-2015, 04:36 PM
I am a saint.

You can trust me.

Adrift
04-24-2015, 05:12 PM
I am a saint.

You can trust me.

I'm a saint too, and you can trust me "When [I] speak and it does not directly contradict the Word..."

:smile:

Leonhard
04-24-2015, 05:57 PM
I am a saint.

We can all become saints. Those several hundreds people the Catholic Church has marked down, are just the ones its fairly, pretty much, genuinely, completely, utterly, convinced, likely-infallibly-surely convinced are in Heaven.


You can trust me.

I trust you mossrose... just don't hit me with the pin.

mossrose
04-24-2015, 06:14 PM
We can all become saints. Those several hundreds people the Catholic Church has marked down, are just the ones its fairly, pretty much, genuinely, completely, utterly, convinced, likely-infallibly-surely convinced are in Heaven.

Scripture says ALL believers are saints.


I trust you mossrose... just don't hit me with the pin.


:mossyhug:

Ana Dragule
04-24-2015, 10:38 PM
:huh: Not sure who you're asking.

Ah, I meant apostolic as in of or relating to a succession of spiritual authority from the apostles held (as by Roman Catholic, Anglicans, and Eastern Orthodox [and Oriental Orthodox and Assyrian Church of the East if any are here]) to be perpetuated by successive ordinations of bishops and to be necessary for valid sacraments and orders. Definition from 2a on Idictionary.

Ana Dragule
04-24-2015, 11:12 PM
:mossyhug:

Cute.

One Bad Pig
04-25-2015, 06:51 PM
Ah, I meant apostolic as in of or relating to a succession of spiritual authority from the apostles held (as by Roman Catholic, Anglicans, and Eastern Orthodox [and Oriental Orthodox and Assyrian Church of the East if any are here]) to be perpetuated by successive ordinations of bishops and to be necessary for valid sacraments and orders. Definition from 2a on Idictionary.
Well, their writings certainly take second place to scripture. On the other hand, people with heretical views aren't generally venerated as saints, even if their writings were influential (e.g., Origen, Evagrius of Pontus, Eusebius Pamphilius). The writings of the early saints (ante-Nicene in particular) need to be parsed more carefully, as terminology had not yet become standardized.

Rushing Jaws
04-17-2016, 02:38 PM
How much can what saints said be trusted?I would rather trust someone whom the Church has canonised, and whose doctrine she has approved, than trust myself. If the Saint is a Father, or a Doctor of the Church, or a heavenly Patron of those who practice some branch of theology, or a bishop or Pope, those are all grounds for confidence. And there are also the details of the lives of each. Saints are not inerrant - that does not mean they are not worthy of confidence. Christians trust fallible, sinful human beings all the time - including themselves; so ISTM the Saints are well worthy of trust; unlike us on earth, they are completely holy.