Church History: Baptism

[seer]

Isn't true that every Church Father who spoke to the issue:

http://www.bible.ca/H-baptism.htm

And every Council, like the Council of Orange, that spoke to the issue:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11266b.htm

Taught that Baptism was necessary for salvation? And that our present Protestant belief on the subject is clearly a theological novelty - as it relates to Church history?

[Anoetos]

Wow, two links to websites operated by Baptismal Regenerationists which content that their belief was the one held from the beginning!

I'm convinced!

But seriously, I don't care if some people believed in BR before the canon was even closed, or even after for that matter.

Theological truth doesn't rest on pedigree.

[seer]

Wow, two links to websites operated by Baptismal Regenerationists which content that their belief was the one held from the beginning!

I'm convinced!

But seriously, I don't care if some people believed in BR before the canon was even closed, or even after for that matter.

Theological truth doesn't rest on pedigree.

So I guess you agree with my point. And another point Anoetos:

http://www.reformed.org/documents/index.html?mainframe=http://www.reformed.org/documents/canons_of_orange.html

Why do Calvinist claim the Council of Orange as their own when it teaches Baptismal Regeneration?

[Anoetos]

Reformed Churches have, historically, regarded Orange as a conciliar corrective to Pelagianism but do not follow it in what it has to say about Baptism.

Then again, Councils do not have the same authority for us as they do for other churches. We regard them as important but only authoritative insofar as they agree with Scripture.

[Findo]

Reformed Churches have, historically, regarded Orange as a conciliar corrective to Pelagianism but do not follow it in what it has to say about Baptism.

Then again, Councils do not have the same authority for us as they do for other churches. We regard them as important but only authoritative insofar as they agree with Scripture.
Maybe I ought to start a new thread, but I think most Baptists have got credo-baptism wrong... and I'm a credo-baptist.