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July 4th 2003, 12:33 AM
Is the Holy Spirit in the Godhead.
I say Yes and NO .
Because the Holy Spirit is Comprised of the Spirit of Christ
and the Spirit of the Father.
(Rom 8:9 KJV) "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."
(Rom 8:10 KJV) "And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness."
(Rom 8:11 KJV) "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."
July 4th 2003, 03:00 AM
3 But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself?
4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."
July 4th 2003, 05:26 PM
The Spirit of Christ and the Sprit of the Father are simply different titles of the Spirit. They show his intimate connection with the Father and Son. This shows how strongly connected he is within the Godhead to the other two persons of the Trinity.
July 4th 2003, 06:58 PM
I'm sorry, I don't even understand the original question.
Is the definition of the "godhead," the trinity? Isn't the trinity the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit?
Forgive me...I'm not being obnoxious...I just don't really get what the issue at hand is.
July 5th 2003, 03:01 AM
You are correct that the trinity is defined as Father, Son and Holy Ghost comprising 1 God. From Spirit's post it is clear he is proposing that there is only the Father and His Son in the godhead, if the Son is included I am not sure yet.
July 5th 2003, 01:39 PM
These scriptures seem to say that the Holy Spirit is NOT a person but a thing that is put within a person
and also something which is POURED OUT and Given as a Gift to men.
(Ezek 11:19 KJV) "And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:"
(Ezek 36:26 KJV) "A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh."
(Ezek 36:27 KJV) "And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."
(Luke 17:21 KJV) "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."
July 5th 2003, 05:37 PM
Hmmm. I don't consider The Father a "person," either. A spirit is a spirit...a God is a God. Jesus was the only "personification" of the trinity.
I'm often confounded by the need some people seem to have to force square pegs into round holes by trying to contain, describe, understand and/or experience God in natural (human) terms. He is so much greater than that. He is also a mystery, like faith itself. My personal choice is to rejoice that God exists and gave us His Word that we might know Him.
Again, that's not an attempt to pick a fight...it's just that this kind of deconstruction makes me walk around with big questions marks over my head for a few hours. :shrug:
July 5th 2003, 08:27 PM
I don't consider The Father a "person," either.
JARDIN do you consider YOURSELF A PERSON ?
A spirit is a spirit...a God is a God.
JARDIN what is God the Father -- a God or a Spirit or Both ?
Jesus was the only "personification" of the trinity.
JARDIN Scripture Please ?
I'm often confounded by the need some people have by trying
to contain, describe, understand and/or experience God in
natural (human) terms.
JARDIN-What terms do you use to describe your Theology ?
JARDIN - Is your Theology based on the Scriptures of the Bible
or someone's IDEAS of what they think the Bible says ?
He is also a mystery, like faith itself.
JARDIN - NO WHERE in the Bible does it say that GOD is a Mystery.
(Mark 4:11 KJV) "And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:"
(1 Cor 15:51 KJV) "Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"
(Eph 1:9 KJV) "Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:"
(Eph 3:9 KJV) "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:"
(Eph 6:19 KJV) "And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,"
(Col 1:26 KJV) "Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:"
(Col 1:27 KJV) "To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:"
(Col 2:2 KJV) "That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;"
(Col 4:3 KJV) "Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:"
(1 Tim 3:9 KJV) "Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience."
(1 Tim 3:16 KJV) "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
(Rev 10:7 KJV) "But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."
July 7th 2003, 12:47 PM
Whooo....I'm not getting into an argument with Spirit...
I just still don't understand the original topic....If Godhead = trinity and trinity = three, then the three are Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
Oh, and yes, I do consider myself a person...not a spirit and not a God. The rest of your post, Spirit, is more confrontative than I'm willing to engage...I just don't go there.
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